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since the 15" MBP already has Vega with HBM2 just for an extra 100$ for the vega 16 an 27" imac with 256 ssd , i5 and vega with T2 chip starting at 2000$
And keep the 21.5" with T2 with Vega 16/20 starting at 1499$
You cant come with a new imac with the same Rx 580 in 2019
 
since the 15" MBP already has Vega with HBM2 just for an extra 100$ for the vega 16 an 27" imac with 256 ssd , i5 and vega with T2 chip starting at 2000$
And keep the 21.5" with T2 with Vega 16/20 starting at 1499$

The prices for the standard iMac configurations currently in the Apple store are:

21.5" ----- $1099, $1,299 , $1,499
27" ------- $1,799 , $1,999 , $2,299


There are multiple points that need to be addressed. The "$2,000" and up is only two of the six. That
is only 33% of the needs in rolling out a whole new set. Even if throw out the $1,099 as non discrete GPU issue that is 2/5 ( 40% which is still less than half of the line up). Several of these discussion tend to drift to how the upper end and top build to order options can be revised as if that was the totality of the "iMac".

Moving the 21.5" Retina base price from $1,299 to $1,499 is a substantive problem. Especially, if the $1099 is still a gimped "MBA like" powered system. That would open up a relatively large hole in the line up. Complicated further by the Mini updates. Creating more confusion and a larger hole primarily will enable competitors to do more damage to the iMac/Mac line. Very similar problems with moving the entry 27" Retina up to $1,999 starting entry price. It yet another bigger hole in line up.

The fact the Vega option couldn't make the MBP 15" launch date is a dual edge sword. The fact that was late is indicative that there is timeliness and cost factors. It did increase the cost. The MBP 15" was
already 100% SSD based. The T2 and SSD cost increases were already there. That the vega pushes it up
another $100 is a price increase that is an issue if applied across the iMac line up.

You cant come with a new imac with the same Rx 580 in 2019

They don't have to. AMD launched a 12nm revision of the Polaris 20 ( which the 580 is based on) called Polaris 30 in November. If Apple targeted 12nm Polaris and 9th generation Intel for late 2018 and those slipped into 2019 they could go early in 2019 with those. If AMD also 'recompiled" the Polaris 11 ( 560-550's base) to 12nm then there would be a broad enough mix for most of the iMac line to move to [ the dGPU less entry model is an oddball already and technically may not need a new one since doesn't have an "old" one. ].

Intel and AMD have better CPUs coming later in 2019 ( probably after WWDC). Another late 2019 update to the iMac would be warranted. ( if the 2018 updates slide into early 2019 that should not move late 2019 revision much ).


AMD has better (both thermally and cost effectiveness) GPUs ( Navi) so the iMac space ... again probably later than WWDC timeframe though. If AMD doesn't do 12nm Polaris 11 update then perhaps Navi will be earlier than it looks now. However, it is more likely that 12nm is a "gap filler" for more than just a narrow subset of the Polaris line up. Now that the coin mining craze is over there are pricing pressures at the from the entry to low-mid range of GPUs are taking a dramatic uptake. High Value via cost effectiveness is one of the top priorities in that space. ( used GPU market if far more full now. There isn't desperate demand for cards.

In short, if Apple doesn't go with what is available in next 2 months then I can see them going all the way to October for "more than substantively" better parts. Vega really isn't it. Navi will be more cost effective in approximately the same performance space at the power budgets the iMac has. if Apple had intended to skip 2018 completely for iMac upgrades then the targeted for 2019 stuff would have put a "2nd half' timetable baseline on the iMac 2019. However, there really wasn't a good rationale for Apple to plan to skip 2018 for the iMac.
 
the base 21.5" is still on fullHD so...i dont care about that and Apple will not take that segment seriously
Like they did with the MBP non touchbar
The vega is on MBP so late because it wasnt ready for the release date thats all
Since vega 64 is on an 5000$+ imac pro i dont think an vega 40 or wathever it is a COST issue for apple since Apple and Amd are very closed, Apple has full acces to amd dGPU thats why they ditched nvidia because nvidia didn't let apple to have full access to their cards

So if you are thinking that next imac will come with the same 580 or whatever since MBP now have access to low dGPu vega you are delusional
If Vega isnt ready for WWDC, than Apple will release the next imacs in fall 2019
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AMD launched a 12nm revision of the Polaris 20 ( which the 580 is based on) called Polaris 30 in November

Yes and why Apple didnt do a silent dGPU update in November? Get real
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The MBP 15" was
already 100% SSD based
Remember the current imacs still has ssd but in fusions drive so 64SSD+hdd so the cost isnt an issue to move from 64ssd to an 256ssd since the ssd are even cheaper nowadays
Remember in imacs we will have dGPU VEGA not like in imac pro where you have desktop Vega 64 etc
 
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Someone didn't read the followup article. If you did, you didn't understand it at all.
https://techcrunch.com/2018/04/05/apples-2019-imac-pro-will-be-shaped-by-workflows/

Read what they are doing (apps that don't yet exist) and whom they're working with (film and animation companies).

Playing misdirection or reading in some alternative universe isn't productive for reading comprehension.
From the article

" ".... Because we want to provide complete pro solutions, not just deliver big hardware, which we’re doing and we did it with iMac Pro. But look at everything holistically.” ..."

The notion that Apple has been beating the drum about 'big hardware' being the focus at all.

The article also doesn't mention "new apps". The phrase 'new apps' , 'new applications' , 'new software' is no where to be found in that article. The primary point of the article is about apps (including Apple's Logic and Final Cut Pro X) that do exist.

" .. " .. And then we take this information where we find it and we go into our architecture team and our performance architects and really drill down and figure out where is the bottleneck. Is it the OS, is it in the drivers, is it in the application, is it in the silicon, and then run it to ground to get it fixed.”
This information has allowed Apple to make machines like the iMac Pro more performant, but also to enable creative users to stay in their flow and keep them moving forward. . .."

In short, this pro workflow groups is primarily tasked with making Apple's current solutions ( Apple software with the current hardware) work better. That includes bug fixes on current software products. Making the software run better on all of the Macs was the point they are getting at in that article.

"...
a window that a 3D animator uses frequently to make some fine tweaks. The windows are not super graphically intensive in terms of processing and stewing but we have found an issue where that window was taking like 6 to 10 seconds to open and they’re doing that 100 times a day, right? Like ‘I can’t work on a machine like this, it’s too slow,’ so we dig in and we figure out what it was.

“In that case we found something in the graphics driver was not right, and once you know where to look and you fix it, ..."

How that is about hardware and/or software that is being created or doesn't exist yet is a tortured yoga exercise.
It is not about blindly throwing ever more expensive hardware at solving problems.

"... This kind of workflow analysis has enabled Apple to find and fix problems that won’t be solved by throwing more hardware at them. ..."

The work that team was doing would make the Mac Mini more viable in more contexts. It isn't about trying to push the most expensive x86 cores packages possible.



I've already mentioned the competition—the target industry already spends that kind of money on high end Windows stations. I'm expecting that, like the competition, the "modular" aspect will be additional GPUs and Cores.

The article highlights in several places about substantive use of eGPUs to make MacBook Pros and iMacs (Pro) work with more than one GPU. I don't think the Mac Pro will be entirely restricted to eGPUs, but when it comes to people needing 3-4 GPUs there is a quite significant likelihood that Apple is going to put Mac Pro users at eGPUs alongside the solution(s) for the rest line up. It is an established solution they are working on now explicitly in the article. It is highly doubtful they will abandon it in the future. So no your "mega box at mega expense" mac pro has little evidence that Apple is going to engage on an internal GPU slot count 'war' with their competition. There is a very decent chance there will be an empty slot in a new Mac ( so don't "have to" go eGPU for one more GPU).

There is absolutely nothing in the article where Apple hired external folks to come to their campus to run "mega budget movie" render farms jobs on their campus. These are real projects that have reasonable budgets that Apple is willing to front to get more info. Apple isn't embedding themselves in Peter Jackson movie back end render farm work.




The T2 chip allows multiple Minis to be linked to render high end video and animation;

The T2, in and of itself, does no such thing. There is zero external linkage provisioned by the T2 chip.
The whole security focus of the T2 is on internal issues and connections.

it's reasonable to expect the new Pro to do a lot of this in one box... or frame or... Have you seen that video of 20 new Minis crunching a single file? If each has a 6 Core processor and a single eGPU, that's between $60–80,000 (around $70,000 cheaper than the top end Maya Box). This is the horsepower that the film industry needs.

Right so if Apple put one 18 core ( 3x 6 ) and two multiple thousand core GPUs (instead of one GPU) inside of a new Mac Pro they'd be meeting a larger set of the need inside of one box. Apple doesn't have to conquer all the render farm slots in the film industry to be successful. They just need enough single user, direct GUI operator wins to sell enough Mac Pros to make the exercise viable.


It's very clear that, despite the amount of wishful thinking and the "Apple will fail if they don't..." articles (all of which can be ignored) that the new, NEW Mac Pro is not being built for most of us.

Right so saddling it with a $10+ K base entry price would primarily be a suicidal act.
Apple doesn't have to chase every super,uber top 3% expensive configuration that other folks offer.
The current set of Macs inlcuding the iMac Pro provide decent coverage for a group of folks. There is a bigger other folks which could be called "rest of us" ( where 'us' folks who want something different). Apple doesn't have to cover all of that group with one system. They just need enough.
"Easier" 2nd large format PCI-e standard slot card path is probably in that set. More internal storage capacity than other Macs is also probably in that set. Larger than other Mac's RAM capacity is also probably in that set. None of that mandates moving to Intel Xeon SP or AMD Epyc solutions though. Nor does anything discussed in the article.


. But the new Pro is expected to be a higher end Mac than the iMac Pro

Expected by some, but the core issue there is why? Does the article support that in any more. Not even in the slightest. Apple discusses no pricing about the Mac Pro at all. Zero The current Mac Pro that is being sold by Apple starts at $2,999. The iMac Pro $4,999. If Apple had some dogma aversion to the "Mac Pro " having a lower price point why isn't there head spinning around and flopping on the floor now ?

— or why bother?

Why bother sell a 2 GPU configuration to someone who needs it ? Because that is tool they need.
If someone else doesn't need a 2nd GPU but does need a space efficient desktop solution, 5K screen, the performance range that the then that the iMac Pro covers, and a 10GbE SAN/NAS connection for bulk storage then Apple can bother to sell them an iMac Pro.

The flaw is in the presumption that everyone in the video creation space all have the same requirements. They don't. Which means can sell different systems to different folks with different needs.


It will be priced accordingly. Count on it. Oh yea, a new monitor is supposed to be announced at the same time—how likely is that going to be inexpensive?

The monitor be "race to the bottom" inexpensive? That is extremely unlikely. Go out onto the price and find one the most expensive utra high end "pro" monitors available and priced exactly at that level ( $4+ K ) ..... that is just about equally unlikely. The display docking station will loose the vast majority of its utility as a docking station if it is priced extremely far higher than the systems that are being docked to it. The Mac Pro sales all by themselves are extremely unlikely a large enough base to support monitor sales. Other Mac systems are going to have to be a target.


I'd like to be wrong but no amount of old news and wishful thinking will change my mind on this.

On several of the points you made are past the "like to be wrong" stage. They are in the actually factually wrong state. There is no 'like' aspect to them.
 
You and me both..

With my 21.5 inch iMac now in its tenth year, I'm getting a bit desperate for a new one, but while it still works I'll hold off.

A redesign is long, long overdue and we deserve one now. It's what we all want. What's the point of being Apple if you don't visibly update things from one decade to the next?

Nobody wants a titchy 21.5 inch screen on a desktop in 2019, so my number one wish is a slinky new 24 inch option with thin bezels and no chin (so it's no bigger overall than my 21.5), or something similar. They'd need to up the 27 to something bigger too. If they do this, a redesign is a given.

It's not like they have to reinvent the wheel. Just make slightly larger rectangles. Why is it so hard?

So if they make us wait until June and all we get is a fairly up-to-date processor inside and a higher price, I'll be very disappointed and annoyed. But I might have to get one anyway. Begrudgingly.
 
On Monday, Intel further fleshed out its 9th Generation CPU portfolio - https://www.tomshardware.com/news/intel-9th-gen-core-kf-processors,38366.html - but left out one critical model (Core i5-9500) if Apple wants a one-to-one replacement for the current iMac's CPU offerings, which makes less sense as the Core i9 CPUs now occupy the highest end of Intel's lineup. Volume deliveries to PC OEMs typically take 30-60 days to ramp up, but apparently the iGPU-less Core i5-9400F has already shown up on Amazon for sale - https://www.amazon.com/Intel-Proces...ascsubtag=tomshardware-1026543566836993085-20 - albeit with "Temporarily Out of Stock" status.

Linda Su will be giving us an update on AMD's 2019 offering in about 5 minutes - https://www.tomshardware.com/news/amd-ces-2019-keynote-7nm-cpu,38390.html - in which she may or may not reveal new Radeon 7nm GPUs (RX 3060, RX 3070, RX 3080), all of which would be suitable for refreshed 21.5" and 27" iMacs.

At this point, if Intel is delivering the CPUs Apple wants and AMD is able to deliver the GPUs Apple wants, we might just see new iMacs released for sale by early March, which would impact Apple's Q2/2019 financials. Otherwise, I would expect the 2019 iMacs to be introduced by WWDC 2019.

Bottom line, things are aligning on the CPU and GPU front and given Apple's iPhone issues, it is time for them to re-balance their product lineup. Pricing and configurations will also tell us if they are paying attention as Tim Cook promises.
 
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Apple never use the new chips anyway most likely to be an 8th gen chip anyway.

Please, not that tired old trope again. Apple is using the latest shipping 8th Generation quad-core 28w U-series and hex-core 45w H-Series in the 13" and 15" MacBook Pros. Those CPUs were introduced and released in April of 2018 and Apple released the 2018 MacBook Pros in mid-July.

The 2018 MacBook Air uses the latest shipping 5w Y-Series CPUs (Amber Lake) that were introduced in June of 2018 and released at the end of August 2018. Sixty days later, Apple the CPU ships the new 13” MacBook Air with the Core i5-8210Y.

The Mac mini uses 8th Generation CPUs, and Apple was indeed late to that party, but until Intel announces and releases a Core i7-9700B, i5-9500/B and i3-9100/B, none of which were mentioned in Monday's CES release - https://www.anandtech.com/show/1381...5-9400f-i5-9400-i5-9600kf-i7-9700kf-i9-9900kf ), it means Apple is using the latest and greatest in the Mac mini.

Apple has had ample time to move the iMac to 8th Generation, and while I am a bit puzzled as to why they decided not to do so, I also can think of a few good reasons why they did not. They may indeed ship iMacs with 8th Generation CPUs, but I suspect they will only go into the 21.5" iMac and the 27" model will end up with 9th Generation CPUs.

The biggest hurdle right now is that Apple needs AMD to announce new GPUs suitable for revised iMacs, and that did not happen during AMD’s CES Keynote today, which means that June is looking to be the more likely target release date for 2019 iMacs.
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Radeon VII is ready for the next imac pro
First 7nm GPU 25% better than Vega 64. 16 vRAM

Now we just need Intel to refresh the Xeon W-Series CPUs as they did with the Core X-Series (Basin Falls refresh) in early October, release the rumored 22-core version for the high end. Then Apple can add it to the iMac Pro's BTO options, make the 10-core the standard CPU for the base $4999 model, update to Titan Ridge TB3 controllers, update to Bluetooth 5.0, add an 8TB SSD option and, if possible, move from a P3 to a Rec. 2020/HDR10 10-bit display panel powered by either an 8GB or 16GB (BTO) Radeon VII GPU.

EDIT: Also, perhaps support for 64GB DIMMs to allow the iMac Pro to go to 256GB of ECC DRAM.

If nothing else, I think we know what the default GPU for the 2019 Mac Pro is going to be once it is announced later this year.
 
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On Monday, Intel further fleshed out its 9th Generation CPU portfolio - https://www.tomshardware.com/news/intel-9th-gen-core-kf-processors,38366.html - but left out one critical model (Core i5-9500) if Apple wants a one-to-one replacement for the current iMac's CPU offerings, which makes less sense as the Core i9 CPUs now occupy the highest end of Intel's lineup. Volume deliveries to PC OEMs typically take 30-60 days to ramp up, but apparently the iGPU-less Core i5-9400F ....

The 9400F is about $10 cheaper in https://ark.intel.com/products/190883/Intel-Core-i5-9400F-Processor-9M-Cache-up-to-4-10-GHz- for a 0.10GHz drop in "base clock" and the same Turbo. That isn't exactly critical. Especially if throw another $10 at the dGPU or discount a SSD (slightly from Apple's prices ). From other reports Apple has tended to 'disable' the iGPU anyway for some iMacs.


If disabling the iGPU completely gets slightly better thermals then pragmatically even more of that 0.1GHz difference could disappear of the CPU is in blended mode more often.


Linda Su will be giving us an update on AMD's 2019 offering in about 5 minutes - https://www.tomshardware.com/news/amd-ces-2019-keynote-7nm-cpu,38390.html - in which she may or may not reveal new Radeon 7nm GPUs (RX 3060, RX 3070, RX 3080), all of which would be suitable for refreshed 21.5" and 27" iMacs.

Nope. Got "upclocked" , more expensive Vega 20 solution.


At this point, if Intel is delivering the CPUs Apple wants and AMD is able to deliver the GPUs Apple wants, we might just see new iMacs released for sale by early March, which would impact Apple's Q2/2019 financials. Otherwise, I would expect the 2019 iMacs to be introduced by WWDC 2019.

Bottom line, things are aligning on the CPU and GPU front and given Apple's iPhone issues, it is time for them to re-balance their product lineup. Pricing and configurations will also tell us if they are paying attention as Tim Cook promises.

incrementally more iMacs is not going to save Apples Q2 numbers if the iPhones are off by 5-10%. Apple shouldn't be sitting on an iMac upgrade to convenient either hit some quarter end ( the uptick will probably span more than a queart) and/or some dog and pony show "deadline".

WWDC happens to line up with Computex show ( typically end of May - first couple days of June). In the past Intel has had mobile/desktop volume releases ( or minimally new intros) aligned with that date so there is lots of new stuff.
This 14nm log jam has kind of thrown that out the window. Increased competition with AMD also. Waiting longer isn't going to help Intel with AMD.

So far it looks like Intel is going to have more "roadmaps" than bleeding edge product ready to ship at Computex in the desktop space this year. I wouldn't bet on WWDC for an iMac intro. Before then or after , but the June timing is off if waiting on Intel.
 
The 9400F is about $10 cheaper in https://ark.intel.com/products/190883/Intel-Core-i5-9400F-Processor-9M-Cache-up-to-4-10-GHz- for a 0.10GHz drop in "base clock" and the same Turbo. That isn't exactly critical. Especially if throw another $10 at the dGPU or discount a SSD (slightly from Apple's prices). From other reports Apple has tended to 'disable' the iGPU anyway for some iMacs.

If disabling the iGPU completely gets slightly better thermals then pragmatically even more of that 0.1GHz difference could disappear of the CPU is in blended mode more often.

Nope. Got "upclocked", more expensive Vega 20 solution.

Incrementally more iMacs is not going to save Apples Q2 numbers if the iPhones are off by 5-10%. Apple shouldn't be sitting on an iMac upgrade to convenient either hit some quarter end ( the uptick will probably span more than a queart) and/or some dog and pony show "deadline".

WWDC happens to line up with Computex show ( typically end of May - first couple days of June). In the past Intel has had mobile/desktop volume releases ( or minimally new intros) aligned with that date so there is lots of new stuff.

This 14nm log jam has kind of thrown that out the window. Increased competition with AMD also. Waiting longer isn't going to help Intel with AMD.

So far it looks like Intel is going to have more "roadmaps" than bleeding edge product ready to ship at Computex in the desktop space this year. I wouldn't bet on WWDC for an iMac intro. Before then or after, but the June timing is off if waiting on Intel.

Looking at Intel's announcement, I noticed that they are not just short 1 CPU, they are actually short 4 CPUs (Core i3-9100, i5-9500, i5-9600 and i7-9700). While the iMac would not use the i3, the other CPUs are essential to Apple for the next iMac update, unless they are going to completely rework the 21.5" and 27" lineups, which I do not see happening.

Intel's F-Series CPUs are useless to me, at least the non-K Series CPUs, because the only use I can find for leaving the iGPU off the CPU is for overclockers and gamers who are going to have a dGPU already and do not really care about the iGPU.

I believe Apple disabled the HD4600 in my Late 2013 27" iMac, but they no longer do that.

I doubt disabling the iGPU will help with thermals as much as Apple using the iMac Pro's cooling solution will, now that the notion of TDP seems to mean nothing to Intel.

Yes, I was disappointed to see Dr Su introduce only the Radeon VII. Hopefully, Computex will we see them revealed. I wish it was sooner, but it does not seem to be in the cards (pun intended).

There seems to be a lot of pent up desire for 6-core or 8-core iMac judging by other threads on this forum. While a new iMac may not offset the loss of iPhone revenue, Apple needs to reorient itself and rebalance their attention back to what was a robust and growing Mac market.

Tim Cook should be at least intelligent enough to recognize this and make the necessary adjustments. If not, then I hope that there are repercussions in the board room. The fable of iOS replacing macOS and the Mac cannot come at the cost of revenue. At that point, it devolves into ideological dogma and diverts from reality. I truly like iOS and I think it has a lot of potential, but I cannot do my current job on an iPad yet, and so I would like a bit more respect paid to the Mac side of the business.

Apple is not sitting on an iMac update to hit quarterly revenue targets. Apple is sitting on iMac updates because Intel has not filled out their product portfolio and AMD does not have a compelling GPU successor to the current Polaris 20. The only new GPUs we have right now are the RX590 and the Radeon VII, which just do not align with the iMac's needs as the 590 generates too much heat and uses to much power for the 15% gain in power.

Intel released the remainder of it's 8th Generation updates in early April last year, which would align nicely with a WWDC/June iMac refresh, as long as AMD updates their GPUs along the way.

9th Generation 28w U-Series and 45w H-Series mobile CPUs are more than likely to show up towards the end of the year (Q3) alongside Ice Lake 15w U-Series CPUs should Intel actually hit their production targets (I have my doubts). 2019 is going to be an interesting year, that's for sure.
 
Everything Zdigital mentions except the 9500 either already existed or dropped yesterday at CES. The 9500 can easily be replaced by the i5-9400... Ignoring K and F variants for now (except to the extent that any F variant has to have a discrete GPU), I could see a probable lineup something like this.

21" - i3 9100 (iGPU), i3 9350 (F only - has to have dGPU), i5 9400 (6 cores in top model, almost certainly has dGPU)
27" (all dGPU) - i5 9400, i5 9600, i7 9700 (i9 9900 cto option) - OR no cto-only CPU with the 9900 as top standard model (drop the 9400 from the bottom so there is no 21" and 27" CPU overlap).
 
So, reading through this thread, the consensus is that the new iMac will come out this year, but no one really has any idea when?
 
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So, reading through this thread, the consensus is that the new iMac will come out this year, but no one really has any idea when?

Until Intel releases the i5-9500, i5-9600 and i7-9700 and AMD releases new, suitable 7nm GPUs (RX3060, 3070, 3080), I would not expect a new iMac. There are other trade shows coming up that either Intel or AMD can use to introduce new products, but I really anticipate seeing the new iMac at WWDC in June. Keep in mind that the iMac Pro would benefit from the new Radeon VII and Basin Falls refresh Xeon-W CPUs that are surely coming soon, along with a 22-core version, if rumors are to be believed.
 
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Desperately waiting for new iMacs to be announced so I can replace our mid-2007 24" model. Yes it's slow at this point but it's still usable and it keeps chugging along and has never suffered from any hardware failures. My main issue is that I'm limited to running OS X El Capitan and thus cannot run newer software applications.
 
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Planning to replace my ageing Mac mini and external monitor with an iMac, for simplicity sake. Don't care too much about the specs, the current ones are more than enough for my needs. Would love to see a redesign with no or a smaller chin though. But I doubt that's in the cards... I don't think Apple feels any need to innovate this design any further and will just keep upgrading the internals whenever Intel has something ready (plus the usual 6-12 month Apple-hardware-upgrade-delay).
 
probaby true since Apple starting to love the rounded display and shrinking the bezels on the iphonex , apple watch, ipad pro
 
Playing misdirection or reading in some alternative universe isn't productive for reading comprehension.
From the article

" ".... Because we want to provide complete pro solutions, not just deliver big hardware, which we’re doing and we did it with iMac Pro. But look at everything holistically.” ..."

The notion that Apple has been beating the drum about 'big hardware' being the focus at all.

The article also doesn't mention "new apps". The phrase 'new apps' , 'new applications' , 'new software' is no where to be found in that article. The primary point of the article is about apps (including Apple's Logic and Final Cut Pro X) that do exist.

" .. " .. And then we take this information where we find it and we go into our architecture team and our performance architects and really drill down and figure out where is the bottleneck. Is it the OS, is it in the drivers, is it in the application, is it in the silicon, and then run it to ground to get it fixed.”
This information has allowed Apple to make machines like the iMac Pro more performant, but also to enable creative users to stay in their flow and keep them moving forward. . .."

In short, this pro workflow groups is primarily tasked with making Apple's current solutions ( Apple software with the current hardware) work better. That includes bug fixes on current software products. Making the software run better on all of the Macs was the point they are getting at in that article.

"...
a window that a 3D animator uses frequently to make some fine tweaks. The windows are not super graphically intensive in terms of processing and stewing but we have found an issue where that window was taking like 6 to 10 seconds to open and they’re doing that 100 times a day, right? Like ‘I can’t work on a machine like this, it’s too slow,’ so we dig in and we figure out what it was.

“In that case we found something in the graphics driver was not right, and once you know where to look and you fix it, ..."

How that is about hardware and/or software that is being created or doesn't exist yet is a tortured yoga exercise.
It is not about blindly throwing ever more expensive hardware at solving problems.

"... This kind of workflow analysis has enabled Apple to find and fix problems that won’t be solved by throwing more hardware at them. ..."

The work that team was doing would make the Mac Mini more viable in more contexts. It isn't about trying to push the most expensive x86 cores packages possible.





The article highlights in several places about substantive use of eGPUs to make MacBook Pros and iMacs (Pro) work with more than one GPU. I don't think the Mac Pro will be entirely restricted to eGPUs, but when it comes to people needing 3-4 GPUs there is a quite significant likelihood that Apple is going to put Mac Pro users at eGPUs alongside the solution(s) for the rest line up. It is an established solution they are working on now explicitly in the article. It is highly doubtful they will abandon it in the future. So no your "mega box at mega expense" mac pro has little evidence that Apple is going to engage on an internal GPU slot count 'war' with their competition. There is a very decent chance there will be an empty slot in a new Mac ( so don't "have to" go eGPU for one more GPU).

There is absolutely nothing in the article where Apple hired external folks to come to their campus to run "mega budget movie" render farms jobs on their campus. These are real projects that have reasonable budgets that Apple is willing to front to get more info. Apple isn't embedding themselves in Peter Jackson movie back end render farm work.






The T2, in and of itself, does no such thing. There is zero external linkage provisioned by the T2 chip.
The whole security focus of the T2 is on internal issues and connections.



Right so if Apple put one 18 core ( 3x 6 ) and two multiple thousand core GPUs (instead of one GPU) inside of a new Mac Pro they'd be meeting a larger set of the need inside of one box. Apple doesn't have to conquer all the render farm slots in the film industry to be successful. They just need enough single user, direct GUI operator wins to sell enough Mac Pros to make the exercise viable.




Right so saddling it with a $10+ K base entry price would primarily be a suicidal act.
Apple doesn't have to chase every super,uber top 3% expensive configuration that other folks offer.
The current set of Macs inlcuding the iMac Pro provide decent coverage for a group of folks. There is a bigger other folks which could be called "rest of us" ( where 'us' folks who want something different). Apple doesn't have to cover all of that group with one system. They just need enough.
"Easier" 2nd large format PCI-e standard slot card path is probably in that set. More internal storage capacity than other Macs is also probably in that set. Larger than other Mac's RAM capacity is also probably in that set. None of that mandates moving to Intel Xeon SP or AMD Epyc solutions though. Nor does anything discussed in the article.




Expected by some, but the core issue there is why? Does the article support that in any more. Not even in the slightest. Apple discusses no pricing about the Mac Pro at all. Zero The current Mac Pro that is being sold by Apple starts at $2,999. The iMac Pro $4,999. If Apple had some dogma aversion to the "Mac Pro " having a lower price point why isn't there head spinning around and flopping on the floor now ?



Why bother sell a 2 GPU configuration to someone who needs it ? Because that is tool they need.
If someone else doesn't need a 2nd GPU but does need a space efficient desktop solution, 5K screen, the performance range that the then that the iMac Pro covers, and a 10GbE SAN/NAS connection for bulk storage then Apple can bother to sell them an iMac Pro.

The flaw is in the presumption that everyone in the video creation space all have the same requirements. They don't. Which means can sell different systems to different folks with different needs.




The monitor be "race to the bottom" inexpensive? That is extremely unlikely. Go out onto the price and find one the most expensive utra high end "pro" monitors available and priced exactly at that level ( $4+ K ) ..... that is just about equally unlikely. The display docking station will loose the vast majority of its utility as a docking station if it is priced extremely far higher than the systems that are being docked to it. The Mac Pro sales all by themselves are extremely unlikely a large enough base to support monitor sales. Other Mac systems are going to have to be a target.




On several of the points you made are past the "like to be wrong" stage. They are in the actually factually wrong state. There is no 'like' aspect to them.


Exhaustive, but awesome takedown there dude. Agree on almost all your points. Well done.
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Until Intel releases the i5-9500, i5-9600 and i7-9700 and AMD releases new, suitable 7nm GPUs (RX3060, 3070, 3080), I would not expect a new iMac. There are other trade shows coming up that either Intel or AMD can use to introduce new products, but I really anticipate seeing the new iMac at WWDC in June. Keep in mind that the iMac Pro would benefit from the new Radeon VII and Basin Falls refresh Xeon-W CPUs that are surely coming soon, along with a 22-core version, if rumors are to be believed.

Right, Apple has ALWAYS waited for the very latest cpu's and gpu's before updating their computers. Exactly which parallel universe have you been living on?
 
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All the desktops (other than Mini, which was just updated) at once? Interesting thought...
 
What’s the chances the 2019 iMacs will be SSD has standard n they bin the fusion drive
Personally for the amount they cost they shouldn’t have platter drives especially with the cost of SSD’s get lower
 
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Yes, i think the retina imacs will be standard with 256 ssd, 21.5" the cheapest one can be from 128 ssd
 
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