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Apple is on the Board of Directors. You don’t get to be on the BofD without making significant contributions to the overall SIG, which all members benefit from. Even if proof exists, until it is disclosed to paying members, no one knows who created, innovated, discovered or originated what.

Stop moving the football because you can’t accept reality...do your research next time before opening your yap.

So how does the OP get to claim this is an Apple innovation? Sort your story out.
 
This is Bluetooth innovation, not Apple's. All Apple does is wrap the standards up in some proprietary interface.

Yeah Apple just takes a few hours on the weekend and makes something like the W1 chip, but it's not their innovation, just WIFI and Bluetooth with some proprietary hardware on top! /s

For some reason though, Samsung and Google had an awfully hard time duplicating the user experience of the Airpods...
 
Yeah Apple just takes a few hours on the weekend and makes something like the W1 chip, but it's not their innovation, just WIFI and Bluetooth with some proprietary hardware on top! /s

For some reason though, Samsung and Google had an awfully hard time duplicating the user experience of the Airpods...

No they haven't. Unbox therapy even has a video today where $60 knock-off AirPods can perfectly replicate the process.

The main difficulty is in crippling the Bluetooth functionality so that you only connect to a single device at a time. As standard, Bluetooth allows multiple simultaneous connections with seamless automatic switching.
 
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And there it is, That Notch. Is Apple ever going to be Innovative "my arse" ever again?

Geez, it doesn't matter how many software or hardware improvements Apple makes, they still insist upon seeing That Notch as a "solution."
 
Apple tends to introduce new hardware features with a roadmap for its use.
Off the top of my head, I would suggest that there are several ways that this could impact the "typical" consumer without requiring a whole new type of app:
- Improved inertial measurement would allow for significantly improved image & video stabilization.
- directional Bluetooth will allow the location of attached devices without having to make them "ping"
- improved inertial measurement will allow improved parallax calculations, thereby improving AR

I'm sure that there are hundreds of other use cases that I can't think about at the moment. The point is that Apple had a reason for developing this.

I think this is really exiting. About 15 years ago I had this idea (I'm sure I wasn't the only one) that it would be great to have a device on you (like a necklace or a bracelet) that would be connected to a small tag and once that tag went over a certain distance from you (for example 10 meters, which is about 33 feet) it would alert you so items such as a wallet or even a person (child) or pet wouldn't get lost. Also being able to see the direction of that tag which modern technology such as Bluetooth 5.1 seem to allow is really awesome!

Having a detailed overview of where – and most importantly; in which direction – items (i.e. tags and devices) are I think will be really useful and is something that a majority of people will have good use for. When you for example are somewhere with family and/or friends and you get split up but you know that they are relatively near, but not in which direction – just bring up your iPhone and find out. :)
 
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R=Reality, right? Maybe Apple will introduce rOS tomorrow. Well, not likely. Maybe next WWDC.
 
It is Bluetooth's innovation. The fact that Apple has a member on the team doesn't change that.

My original post was in response to a claim that it was Apple's innovation without a single mention of Bluetooth. Since there remains zero evidence to suggest Apple is the source of these innovations my point stands.

The fact that people are desperate to attribute this innovation to Apple proves just how bare Apple's garden is.

Going through your posts is all one has to do to prove you're wrong.

The original poster made this basic statement:
And some people were arguing that the Apple tracking device wasn’t going to be innovation. Just another Tile. :rolleyes:
No discussion of Bluetooth whatsoever.


You followed up with this post:
This is Bluetooth innovation, not Apple's. All Apple does is wrap the standards up in some proprietary interface.
So as per your usual tactics you tried to narrow the tracking feature down to being based on Bluetooth only (even though the OP didn't mention Bluetooth). You conveniently ignored the fact that Apple is using multiple additional sensors, adding in an IMU, relying on cameras AND using the AoA and AoD features of BT 5.1 and combining them all together for tracking.

After this @mdriftmeyer pointed out that Apple is on the board of the Bluetooth group and contributes technology to the BT standard (along with several other tech companies). You apparently didn't like that and responded with this ridiculous post:
What's your source that the single Apple member happens to be responsible for these innovations in Bluetooth 5.1?
So you've done yet another pivot. This time you're arguing whether Apple is the only one responsible for contributing these features when nobody ever stated that. As usual, you're fabricating things others said and arguing against those fabrications instead of arguing against what people actually said.

And after all that you have the nerve to type this out:
So how does the OP get to claim this is an Apple innovation? Sort your story out.
The OP can claim this is an Apple innovation because they have developed a method of using multiple technologies to achieve a single function. They mentioned "Tile", which is a Bluetooth only based device. As if I need to remind you, Apple is using Bluetooth along with numerous other technologies and making a single co-processor to handle all this information. I'd call that innovation. You're the one who needs to sort your story out.


Stop moving the football because you can’t accept reality...do your research next time before opening your yap.
I see I'm not the only person who noticed this behavior of yours.
 
Going through your posts is all one has to do to prove you're wrong.

The original poster made this basic statement:

No discussion of Bluetooth whatsoever.


You followed up with this post:

So as per your usual tactics you tried to narrow the tracking feature down to being based on Bluetooth only (even though the OP didn't mention Bluetooth). You conveniently ignored the fact that Apple is using multiple additional sensors, adding in an IMU, relying on cameras AND using the AoA and AoD features of BT 5.1 and combining them all together for tracking.

After this @mdriftmeyer pointed out that Apple is on the board of the Bluetooth group and contributes technology to the BT standard (along with several other tech companies). You apparently didn't like that and responded with this ridiculous post:

So you've done yet another pivot. This time you're arguing whether Apple is the only one responsible for contributing these features when nobody ever stated that. As usual, you're fabricating things others said and arguing against those fabrications instead of arguing against what people actually said.

And after all that you have the nerve to type this out:

The OP can claim this is an Apple innovation because they have developed a method of using multiple technologies to achieve a single function. They mentioned "Tile", which is a Bluetooth only based device. As if I need to remind you, Apple is using Bluetooth along with numerous other technologies and making a single co-processor to handle all this information. I'd call that innovation. You're the one who needs to sort your story out.



I see I'm not the only person who noticed this behavior of yours.

All of which is speculation, apart from the Bluetooth features.

What numerous other technologies? The ones that have been in phones for years? So Apple adds Bluetooth 5.1 and UWB to the M1 and gives it a new name. Innovation.
 
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Tim is trying to obsolete his old job of supply chain guy.

Before you know it, Apple will be sourcing all of their componentry in-house and software development will change in big ways!

There is still time and space for them to innovate.
 
How do you think your CURRENT iPhone knows to light up when you pick it up?

Just because you don't understand how this tech works doesn't mean that other people (even you) won't appreciate what it can do.
But what will be appreciated will be "I know where my things are" not "my phone has UWB".

I thought I should add to this because some people still might not get the point.
Imagine things your phone COULD do if it were a magic wand? So, for example, in addition to the current ways of controlling IoT devices, you could point to them and say something like "switch this on".
What would be required to make something like that work?

Well one way you could do it is via vision -- the phone looks at what's being pointed at and recognizes it. That could work, but uses power, and the real problem is that the camera is oriented improperly for the way you casually point your phone at something.
An alternative is that if your
- phone knows very accurately where it is
- knows very accurately its orientation
- knows what your things are
Then it can use that knowledge to do something like pop up a confirmatory picture on the screen, and go ahead with the on/off switching (unless the picture is wrong and you cancel).

Now the pieces for that are starting to fall into place. Apple vision/AR are good enough that you can probably now do a walk around your house and build up a map for the phone (being Apple, this will be a 100% local map that never leaves your phone...) along with recognizing objects of particular interest (like every IoT object -- think smart lights, or smart sockets).
Put that together with tech that can reproducibly calculate where you are very accurately (probably something like the WiFi RF environment [how waves are bouncing off the walls and objects] to get a coarse location to within a floor/room, the UWB RF environment [again reflections] to get a very precise location. Likewise for orientation.

Now maybe you think this is silly. Most things look silly to most people when first described. Even something as obviously desirable as AirPods were criticized by most people at first. People think of all the things they know can go wrong (pairing is a hassle, charging is a hassle, battery life is short) and they ignore
- the fact that Apple, of all companies, usually doesn't release something until the dumb flaws are fixed
- the fact that you don't really know how well something will work until you see it in action, doing something in action.

What would be the uses for a magic wand with extremely precise locations and orientation info? I've given the first thing I can think of, a kind of universal remote control. But there are bound to be others.
 
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It may not be a game changer tech but its nice and cool enough and it has its practical uses. Down the road app developer might be able to use it in a very useful way.
 
This is Bluetooth innovation, not Apple's. All Apple does is wrap the standards up in some proprietary interface.
It’s more than Bluetooth. It’s using data from all different points. Plus, we don’t even know what it is yet.

Every post, all I see your negativity! Need a hug or something?
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This is Bluetooth innovation, not Apple's. All Apple does is wrap the standards up in some proprietary interface.

I am reminded of the time when I had a bad case of the hives. Visited a few doctors, got prescribed a bunch of meds, none did anything. Finally went to visit a skin specialist. The doctor took one look at me, explained everything via ppt, and gave me a bottle of antihistamines which solved the problem.

Sure, he charged a hefty amount for what was essentially a cheap bottle of pills, but what I was paying for wasn’t so the medicine, but the professional’s experience in knowing what the right medicine to dispense was.

I feel it’s the same here. Having the tech isn’t enough. The innovation here contributed by Apple lies in them knowing how to implement this technology in a manner that is useful and meaningful to me as the end user.

https://www.wired.com/story/apple-find-my-cryptography-bluetooth/

Reading how the Apple tracker will work, that seems like a lot of work and processing going on in the background just to make possible something which sounds very simply on paper.

Classic Apple doing what it does best: take an emerging product category with a frustrating user experience and deliver a polished product made possible by its control over both the hardware and software.
 
This is a very tunnel-visioned way of looking at this. It's not meant to be popular like "look at the new camera and screen!" but it's supposed to support things just "working" like the "apple magic" a la airpods as an example.

Tomorrow we'll actually get a better idea, but this isn't going to be "marketed" anywhere except for something like:

"Apple Tag: attach it to anything important, and when you lose it, iPhone will find it for you through the Find My app. And with the New R1 sensor coprocessor, tracking your keys and wallet has never been easier."

done.
Some “tech enthusiasts” who love to show off their phones will always like new colors more than “mere” a co-processor
 
Something that maybe 0.0005% of people will care about after 5 years of heavy marketing.

This sort of thing is critical for AR to work properly.

And whether or not anyone believes this yet, AR is going to be the next big thing in computing. it is the mobile killer app. Once AR is feasible, the desktop or laptop PC is pretty much done for a huge number of workers. So many workers are doing manual data collection and data entry that could be done via automated methods with an AR platform.

This will kick off inside of 5 years.
 
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