Soldered? Not buying...and this is getting old, Apple. Please give us products we can upgrade and fix on our own.
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Radeon Pro 5300 is stronger than 580x? Interesting. I didn't expect that.
Good point in regard to if CPU fails, you just lost your data too.
Now is it possible to reprogram the blade SSD in the Mac Pro to a new T2 without requiring a wipe of the blade SSD?
That's what ive done for a while now. May not have the best graphics card but thats not why I own a mac. I usually upgrade my mac mini with a model that is a year or so old -- save money. I am still looking for a 4k monitor that is glossy -- I believe the LG UltraFine monitors are.
Mac mini doesn’t go anywhere near the high end of these 2020 iMacs, what with its older gen Intel cpus and a lack of a dedicated gpu. eGPU + 5700xt could be a thing, but relying on eGPU is a bad idea, because you’re limiting pcie bandwidth to 4x and you’re FAR more reliant on drivers and software support of a pretty niche config. And when you add on the 5K display and the eGPU, the price is no longer a much better value than the iMac, with more points of potential failure and worse performance to boot.
CPU failures are rare, it’s the GPU or RAM I’d be concerned about. If it doesn’t POST, then your data is gone. If you want to recycle a broken iMac, you have to disassemble it and chisel off the flash storage chips (if you have sensitive data) Sure it’s encrypted by the T2 chip, but I’d rather hang on to the storage medium. I have plenty of old hard drives I’ve repurposed for various things (back up, making USB macOS installers, installing windows or Linux, etc.)
There's no correlation between the T2 chip and the SSD being soldered in place: My Mac Pro has plug in SSD modules and a T2 chip
Computers are one of the only things I'd probably purchase Apple Care on going forward because some of the repair costs are really ridiculous and you can continue the Apple Care payments month to month for up to 5 years.
At least if I smash my iPhone I can get a refurb for like 40% of the cost. I don't think that's the case for a mac.
His compute score is what really impresses me as a 2018 Mac Mini owner. https://browser.geekbench.com/user/idanbo#v5compute
The single and multicore scores are only marginally better than what I get.
The single and multicore scores are only marginally better than what I get.
Asking to have the hard drive not soldered is not a crazy ask. Can you up with another reason other than Apple doesn’t want us replacing/upgrading the harddrive on our own?
The Shape of Macs to Come:
That power supply cord is technically removable, you know. 😂
Apple's endless march towards complete unrepairability is getting old. There's nothing preventing them from making these machines easier to repair except greed, and unfortunately, the rest of the industry seems to be catching on.
They did. It’s called a Mac Pro. I don’t think this is such a big deal. Wanting to upgrade your machine sounds great in theory. In reality it doesn’t really matter, especially when you choose Apple. I mean, you’re not buying it for upgradability. If that is the most important part to someone then they should just build a pc.
True enough I was just using an example of a component if taken to Apple for repair that requires logic board replacement. GPU would make sense since that is also soldered.
As for the benchmark for the 10700K, I want to say something is off. In a video of a person who got their base 27" iMac with the 10700K is pulling about 10% increase in Cinebench scores over my 9900K. No way the 10700K is a 7000 area multi core and the 9900K is 8000's.
Soldered SSD huh. So they're not just reusing the logic board from the previous gen machine.
I wonder if they've repackaged the iMac Pro's major components...
I wonder if they've repackaged the iMac Pro's major components...
Well it has T2, so the easiest way for them was to solder the SSD. Like on iMac Pro and the laptops. No surprise.
What is interesting is that the 5300 might not be actually that bad for an average user, which is good.
What is interesting is that the 5300 might not be actually that bad for an average user, which is good.
The HomePod power cord isn’t actually hardwired, it will pop out if you pull on it.The Shape of Macs to Come:
Agreed, especially since there is no display available currently that looks good/native side-by-side with the iMac. So if you want dual displays, it will always look crappy with the iMac.
Has nothing to do with T2. The Mac Pro doesn't have soldered SSDs and yet it has a T2.
It only has to do with greed
The RAM remains user upgradable on the 27in. iMac. The question is is the RAM soldered in on the 21.5in. or is it just clicked into place like the 27in. only it’s not easily accessible by access panel like the 27in? If the latter then it’s not the end of the world, but still inconvenient. If the former then it’s a major pain.