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No. Don’t put the camera off centre. Put the magnets off centre, either on one side or else straddling the camera. Or else put it on the side like where the camera used to be.

Anyhow, I don’t see this happening probably until it gets a new screen tech, perhaps in 2024. This was the placeholder M2 drop-in update until that happens.

While I agree. I imagine the off center pencil would hurt the balance in the marketing shots.
 
I didn't know an A15 had a dedicated media encoding engine to make exporting faster.
Let me be the one telling you that it does! And also the A14, the A13, the A12.. we could go plenty steps further back actually. That’s how your iPhone records and processes video so fast. Doing it through software would be a battery hog.

The new thing with the base A15 was ProRes codec support added to the Media engine. Something it inherited from the M1 Pro/Max
 
Not bringing the hover feature to the other Pro models is BS but is so very Apple.
The hover feature is not in the software. It is in the sensor under the screen.
Chicken doesn’t cost over $1000
Have you seen the price of saffron?
Federico’s over reaction to the Apple pencil hover is just him paying his dues to stay in Apples good graces.
It's not an overreaction. If you need it, it is of great value. If you don't need it, you think it is no big deal. For myself, I could care less about the Facetime camera. I don't video chat. If I had my choice, I would remove it. Others feel differently.
 
The hover feature is not in the software. It is in the sensor under the screen.

Uh huh. Just like Stage Manager was only capable on newer iPads?

You got something from Apple that says there is a new sensor under the screen?
 
Let me be the one telling you that it does! And also the A14, the A13, the A12.. we could go plenty steps further back actually. That’s how your iPhone records and processes video so fast. Doing it through software would be a battery hog.

The new thing with the base A15 was ProRes codec support added to the Media engine. Something it inherited from the M1 Pro/Max
I suspect the big differences are how they run the chips. If you have a big device with lots of cooling and it plugs into the wall, you can run it faster. If it is a tiny device the size of a phone with a small battery, you might need to slow it down more than a bit.

That and the fact that yes, it has more cores and some of those cores are probably optimized a bit differently.
 
I don't necessarily get the grief people are giving for the iPad Pro having the same design as prior generations. There's really only so much that can be done with the tablet form factor. Narrowing the bezels will make it difficult to hold, rounding the edges would make it look awkward when docked to a Magic Keyboard (and please don't even think about adding a Dynamic Island). And speaking of the Magic Keyboard, it was just a year ago that people were freaking out at the suggestion that older Magic Keyboards for the 12.9" model wouldn't work because of the added thickness of the display panel (which wound up being a non-issue).
 
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It’s like each iPad team is completely cut off from the other - like a competition between them to come up with something different. How else to explain the same 2018 design for the pro yet they underwhelming 10th gen gets a new camera layout?
 
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I don't necessarily get the grief people are giving for the iPad Pro having the same design as prior generations. There's really only so much that can be done with the tablet form factor. Narrowing the bezels will make it difficult to hold, rounding the edges would make it look awkward when docked to a Magic Keyboard (and please don't even think about adding a Dynamic Island). And speaking of the Magic Keyboard, it was just a year ago that people were freaking out at the suggestion that older Magic Keyboards for the 12.9" model wouldn't work because of the added thickness of the display panel (which wound up being a non-issue).
A lot of people are complaining that the expensive iPad Pro didn't get a landscape camera, yet the much, much cheaper 10th generation iPad got it. And I would agree with them. I personally won't buy an iPad Pro at the end of its current form factor iteration, esp. since I've been wanting a landscape camera for just about forever. I figured it'd come to the iPad Pro first, but I was wrong.
 
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In other words, wait for 16.2 to fix Stage Manager and when iPadOS18 is released they destroy it with a much better solution and once again “forcing upgrades” cause of the extra cpu power it needs.
 
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In other words, wait for 16.2 to fix Stage Manager and when iPadOS18 is released they destroy it with a much better solution and once again “forcing upgrades” cause of the extra cpu power it needs.
Judging by reviews, Stage Manager isn't going to get fixed anytime soon. In fact, I wouldn't be completely surprised if it takes an entire year - iPadOS 17 - before it really gels.

But yeah, Apple inability to come up a consistent multitasking method after all these years really irritates me.
 
Not a surprise that the performance difference is not big. After all M2 is based on A15's architecture, while M1 was on A14. A14 vs A15 gap was small.
 
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We have quickly run into a maturity problem with the iPad. Where can Apple go with the technology that the iPad Pro doesn’t cover? The only possible real improvement I can see is in software. iPadOS is no longer enough of an OS for a powerful tablet like the iPad Pro. Sure, Apple could move the camera, but what else? This thing is essentially going to get minor improvements year over year from here on out. Until the OS is improved, the iPad Pro will continue to be a niche product.
I think they have to go big… a 15” model. I upgraded my 2018 iPad Pro to a Samsung Galaxy Tab Ultra, and the extra space is not only phenomenal for art (my main use), and watching movies/TV… but it will also make Stage Manager actually useful. As it is, it appears hopelessly cramped. But multitasking on my 15” Samsung is a joy.

Other than OLED (which the Samsung has), I agree, there’s not much else to do to make a new Pro model truly interesting, at least on the hardware side.
 
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While I agree. I imagine the off center pencil would hurt the balance in the marketing shots.
As would an off-centre camera. I don’t see the answer to how they could do this without a redesign, possibly of the pencil itself. I really don’t think it’s as simple as people think, and if it was possible, I think they would’ve done it by now.
 
The problem with this is the name “Pro”. The most visible competitor, IMO, is Microsoft Surface Pro, which also is $999 at the bottom end. It runs Windows. That makes for a very powerful tablet/laptop combination. At that price, the iPad Pro feels very, very hampered compared to a surface. The iPad Pro just doesn’t have the software required to make the iPad Pro feel “Pro”. Now, perhaps if Apple would make something like, say, Final Cut Pro for iPad, or XCode, then you may hear people think differently. But I would love to have an iPad that can supplement my work on my Mac. It can do some things, like email and documents, but otherwise it doesn’t feel “Pro”.
I hear what you’re saying. I don’t really think people cross shop an iPad Pro and Surface Pro very often. I could be wrong. I just think there is a portion of people who use iPads for their entire workflow, and more of us who have multiple Apple devices and use the iPad Pro in addition. I for one could certainly use my M1 MacBook Air for everything. But the iPad Pro can sometimes be much more convenient due to touch interface and Apple Pencil support. Nonetheless, I cannot quite do everything I need on my iPad Pro.
 
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Ah, more whinging about design stasis from people who are design illiterate (Snell/ Six Colors). A reviewer says the design is good but he's bothered that it hasn't changed. What do you need it to look like? You need to see change just for the sake of change? I feel like Apple works so hard to refine the minimalism of the design in such a way they remove unnecessary ornament. But when you approach the apex of minimalism it only leaves the opportunity to offer incremental tweaks. I see the same thing with the design understatement of Audi, for example, with people complaining that they can't tell the model years apart because they don't change enough. I think the higher one goes in the design food chain, the less you'll see radical changes in exterior design. Perhaps if one needs to see radical design alterations, then Samsung phones are always there to offer some new gimmick. And maybe the latest chunky fenders or air vents of the latest proto muscle cars are more your speed.
 
Ah, more whinging about design stasis from people who are design illiterate (Snell/ Six Colors). A reviewer says the design is good but he's bothered that it hasn't changed. What do you need it to look like? You need to see change just for the sake of change? I feel like Apple works so hard to refine the minimalism of the design in such a way they remove unnecessary ornament. But when you approach the apex of minimalism it only leaves the opportunity to offer incremental tweaks. I see the same thing with the design understatement of Audi, for example, with people complaining that they can't tell the model years apart because they don't change enough. I think the higher one goes in the design food chain, the less you'll see radical changes in exterior design. Perhaps if one needs to see radical design alterations, then Samsung phones are always there to offer some new gimmick. And maybe the latest chunky fenders or air vents of the latest proto muscle cars are more your speed.
Quite agree. The current iPads across the board now look fantastic. My issue lately has been the really stupid and head scratching decisions like the USB-C port but Apple Pencil 1 on the new iPad…like huh? And why they didn’t add the magnets to the top of the iPad for the Pencil. They could've used the shrunken FaceID module components from iPhone 13/14 Pro, or just relocated FaceID to the landscape position since it works in every orientation.
 
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Federico’s over reaction to the Apple pencil hover is just him paying his dues to stay in Apples good graces.
To be fair, hover is VERY useful… I love it on my Galaxy Tab, and my Wacom art tablet. It’s great for art, yes, but it also allows “mouse-over”, which is wildly useful. IPad is super late to the game, but it is a feature that really makes a difference in day-to-day use.
 
Ah, more whinging about design stasis from people who are design illiterate (Snell/ Six Colors). A reviewer says the design is good but he's bothered that it hasn't changed. What do you need it to look like? You need to see change just for the sake of change? I feel like Apple works so hard to refine the minimalism of the design in such a way they remove unnecessary ornament. But when you approach the apex of minimalism it only leaves the opportunity to offer incremental tweaks. I see the same thing with the design understatement of Audi, for example, with people complaining that they can't tell the model years apart because they don't change enough. I think the higher one goes in the design food chain, the less you'll see radical changes in exterior design. Perhaps if one needs to see radical design alterations, then Samsung phones are always there to offer some new gimmick. And maybe the latest chunky fenders or air vents of the latest proto muscle cars are more your speed.
You need it to have fsckin' landscape camera already. Having the OS and the keyboards now built for landscape makes the portrait orientation camera just ridiculous.
 
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As would an off-centre camera. I don’t see the answer to how they could do this without a redesign, possibly of the pencil itself. I really don’t think it’s as simple as people think, and if it was possible, I think they would’ve done it by now.

Camera is hidden behind the black bezel. So it being made slightly off center and then centered in software would be less noticeable.

The issue right now is center stage is having to correct for a lot of distance from center due to camera placement. It would need to correct much less in a landscape camera that is slightly offset.
 
When I hear people saying you don't need to get the M2 iPad if you have last year's model I start hearing SpongeBob's voice in my head: "I don't need it, I don't need it, I definitely don't need it....... I. NEED. IT." lol

 
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