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yes, but the blue pixels fades away like crazy after a lot of use after 1 year..and the gamut/brightness are less..
Apple wants their display also to be at least 500 nits, probably even 600 nits since the pro ipads will soon both will be 1000nits (not just the 12.9)
"the blue pixels fades away like crazy after a lot of use after 1 year" - did you observe this on your iPhone? What's the source of this claim?
 
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OLED is great looking but even the best ones out there from just two years ago are now showing that they all have burn in even from regular use that avoids the obvious things like displaying static images for a long time. Old iPads don't have the kind of screen burn in that these OLED would and that's a bad look for Apple to have devices the public clearly sees won't hold up. Why pay premium prices on devices that won't last longer than much affordable alternatives? They need the best panels they can get. They know the competitors will stick with the cheaper ones and eventually that will be a selling point as well, because two products of the same age will age quite differently.
I do not see any burn in on my Galaxy Tab S2 (2015 model).
 
No OLEDs for me as long as there’s PWM. And when there’s none, i guess battery life take a hit or burn-in happens. Or both….
But i would buy a SHARP IGZO iPad or anything, in a snap.
So what is the alternate way of having an OLED without PWM? And is PWM really a problem or a placebo effect being blamed for everyones bad eyesight and migraines.

I see people talk about PWM like its Bloody Mary, they are scared of it, and don't say her name 3 times in the mirror, but is her and her problems real?
 
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The Ipad Airs sell significantly more units than Ipad Pros. OLED being better for more mainstream consumer content viewing which is what the Airs are aimed and priced at. Mini LED is better for Pro use with its higher brightness and where static screens would potentially be used for longer periods.
Fair points but OLED Is more expensive than IPS, which would drive the price up on the iPad as well. The pro models can absorb a bit more of that extra cost due to their higher price point.

I am not sure what you mean by static screens. Not sure I am a “pro” per sey, but I use my iPads for video @ photo editing, not consumption or games. Many of my colleagues use pro models for similar work and even more graphics intensive tasks.
 
Honestly, I'm fine with the iPad screens. Give me more power, more RAM, and let the apps use that RAM. Also colors that look better than the "my iPad mini looks gray until I get it in the right light, and now I guess it's purple." That's what I want from the hardware. The OS, on the other hand...
 
I have my doubts around whether OLED would work in an iPad anyway, the retina pixel density is only around 260 ppi, that would look awful as a PenTile OLED. Having a 400 ppi iPad would require a huge battery draining resolution.
 
My iPhone X (OLED) is 4 years old and the screen still looks great, like new, I can't see any degradation at all. On the other hand, I have an LG OLED tv also produced in 2017 that has developed quite a bit of blotchiness on the screen in certain colors (mostly reds) and it's not burn-in so I think it's degradation. Both receive heavy use. The point being not all OLED screens are the same.
 
I dont understand. Even now, OLED is crap for laptops and tablet uses due to Burn-in issue and short life span. Why cant they invest double stack OLED for longer life span? If the money is the problem, then Apple is not the only client.
 
Lmao!!! take off your apple glasses and look again, even apple support agreed that the 13 pro max screen looked like trash compared to the previous model.
No, it really isn't apparent. if you were to callout specific issues with specific images we might be able to look very closely and see it, but mostly it just looks like some random photos of screens with no apparent major issues. If you just use broad terms like "screen looked like trash" we aren't going to know what you are referring too. I'm sure that you have looked it all over with a fine tooth comb and see each little issue, but it is not obvious to all of us.
 
Typical luck of the draw when it comes to OLED screens.
Guess I got lucky. Mine is beautiful. Someone else was complaining about terrible viewing angles, and i posted some pics showing you could easily read my screen at near 180 degrees in each direction. Wish you luck with sample #2.
 
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I for one am shocked at this news! 🤣Par for the course. What else can go wrong at Tim's Apple this month?
Given that the end game was always microLED via miniLED, not sure that anything has gone wrong. Never made sense to me to do this pit stop with OLED while they go to miniLED on the pros.
 
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It looks like I can get an iPad Air now then. Too much uncertainty over OLED. Was thinking about holding off if the OLED was coming in March. Once again Apple wants it to be good, not quick and that suits me. I know the current Air is a year old, but let's go, it's fine.

(I currently have a 2016-model Samsung Tab S2, that's why I'm so pumped. Edit: It's so slow!)
 
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Dimmer? Just cranking the brightness to max indoors isn't going to show you which one is brighter. Try testing them under sunlight and you'll probably see the 13 is brighter. Also, in what way does the panel look worse? It is really hard to work out what you're referring to from these photos.
13 Pro Max is dimmer and greys are darker overall; 13 has a slight blue cast to greys vs my 12 and is at least a full step of brightness lower when comparing greys in Doctor OLED X (app). My 12 Pro Max has better brightness/contrast at every brightness level than my 13 Pro Max. It's definitely easier to read at lowest brightness on my 12. Images have more detail too. I've often had to refrain from using lowest brightness setting on 13 as it strains my eyes. Both are still eye-searingly bright in a dark room, which is why I use lowest settings in the first place.

I'll take that tradeoff for the variable refresh rate of 10-120Hz though. It's hard to go back to 12 Pro Max due to fluidity and outright responsiveness of 13's screen.

Neither panel has any visible color ghosting (use Settings page in dark mode and scroll quickly up and down) at lowest brightness like my old XS Max or even X.
 
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Even now, OLED is crap for laptops and tablet uses due to Burn-in issue and short life span.
After four years my Galaxy Tab S2 has no burn-in but has dimmed badly. I'm alright to go back to LCD for now, especially when it's Apple's LCD. I keep being struck by the screen quality of the base iPads at my work.
 
So what is the alternate way of having an OLED without PWM? And is PWM really a problem or a placebo effect being blamed for everyones bad eyesight and migraines.

I see people talk about PWM like its Bloody Mary, they are scared of it, and don't say her name 3 times in the mirror, but is her and her problems real?
Very real.
like many medical issues, there are several stages.
1. your body can compensate, and your mind is unaware of exposure
2. your body cannot compensate, and you feel the symptoms, but your mind is unaware
3. your body cannot compensate, but you are aware of the reason
4. your body can compensate, but you are already aware.

Most people are in stage 1, so far, with occasional intrusions into stage 2 where they take panadol, make a break and then back to exposure.
Some professionals with decades of screen exposure, are in stage 2 and go to doctors who prescribe meds that do not and cannot solve the root cause. If the issue is unresolved, they may retire. If they can…
I hope this can help you into 3 or 4…
Reducing exposure can do magic, as i witnessed in many sufferers.

But enjoy your stage 1 or 4 if you can ;)

Alternate way is to check for PWM on sites like notebookcheck.net (search PWM there).
Or ask for FlickerFree / EyeCare screens from Apple, which is not in their marketing lingo.
 
13 Pro Max is dimmer and greys are darker overall; 13 has a slight blue cast to greys vs my 12 and is at least a full step of brightness lower when comparing greys in Doctor OLED X (app). My 12 Pro Max has better brightness/contrast at every brightness level than my 13 Pro Max. It's definitely easier to read at lowest brightness on my 12. Images have more detail too. I've often had to refrain from using lowest brightness setting on 13 as it strains my eyes. Both are still eye-searingly bright in a dark room, which is why I use lowest settings in the first place.

I'll take that tradeoff for the variable refresh rate of 10-120Hz though. It's hard to go back to 12 Pro Max due to fluidity and outright responsiveness of 13's screen.

Neither panel has any visible color ghosting (use Settings page in dark mode and scroll quickly up and down) at lowest brightness like my old XS Max or even X.

I've owned an iPhone X since launch day so I haven't been able to test newer OLED screens. It's good to hear that the color ghosting / black smearing problem is fixed as I use dark mode almost all the time at lower brightness levels. I also use my iPhone in a dark room at night so it's disappointing to hear they took a step backwards for readability on lowest brightness. I'm planning on upgrading to next year's iPhone so I hope they improve that by then.
 
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