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Blood pressure trend - nice but won’t help those who have been diagnosed with hypertension already, really need the hard data.

Yep, hard data would be nice but it could require regular calibration like the blood pressure monitor on Samsung Galaxy Watches does. However, that trend data could still be of some use. Even though I’ve been diagnosed already, I’d still like to know if my blood pressure is trending upwards despite medication. At least it would be a time to check actual readings.
 
Yep, hard data would be nice but it could require regular calibration like the blood pressure monitor on Samsung Galaxy Watches does. However, that trend data could still be of some use. Even though I’ve been diagnosed already, I’d still like to know if my blood pressure is trending upwards despite medication. At least it would be a time to check actual readings.
well, we'll have to see what Apple will announce next September.
Personally, I'd be ok with regular calibration, but, over the counter BPMs cannot be calibrated afaik, you can take them to the doc and compare readings, then you have some idea how accurate it really is.
As for trends, it better be better than the current wrist temp trends, you only get deviations from a baseline, and while you can go dig into the health app and see the real value - how do you determine a "baseline" for blood pressure? While nowadays 130/80 is considered the threshold, that doesn't simply apply to everyone ...
Anyway, 9 or so months to go...
 
well, we'll have to see what Apple will announce next September.
Personally, I'd be ok with regular calibration, but, over the counter BPMs cannot be calibrated afaik, you can take them to the doc and compare readings, then you have some idea how accurate it really is.

Yep, regular calibration would be fine for me too. I’ve checked my Omron against my doctor’s BPM and it’s rather accurate. When I’ve worn my Galaxy Watch, I’ve calibrated it with the aforementioned Omron and the results have been rather good when I figured out that the Galaxy Watch is somewhat reluctant to go below the calibration baseline while it’s much less hesitant to detect increased numbers. So if I just calibrate in the morning when my BP is typically at its lowest, I can get usable readings until the next calibration.
 
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I was set to trade in until I saw that there will be no actual readings. I'll wait for that version.
You are unlikely to get useful blood pressure readings from a small, wrist-mounted device. It's hard enough getting accurate and repeatable readings with an arm-based cuff. Even the wrist-based cuffs are too unreliable and inconsistent.

The most likely result would be relative pressure changes of a coarsely measured nature. That would be able to tell you that your pressure is up or down compared to some baseline. You might be able to see trends over the course of a day and that might be interesting. Just don't expect it to give you the kind of reading you get in the doctors office (or from an at home cuff).
 
For me Apple Watch is the embodiment of an Apple product that for all intents and purposes has been abandoned for at least 5 years now: a project that's lost momentum in innovation, design and feature set; a poster child of the Tim Cook era of bare minimum effort for maximum possible profit. A product that carried so much promise of what it means to wear technology on your body has delivered shockingly little.

Regarding the promise of 'new look', remember the Apple Watch was positioned as much of a miniature computer on your wrist as well a high fashion timepiece. 10 years ago Apple recruited Anna Wintour to feature it in Vogue, yet today the design, the aesthetic aspect of it, looks unbelievably tired, boring, dull, stagnant. If fashion is dictated in the September issue of Vogue, the watch is arguably the least fashionable thing one can wear - it never changes. Comparisons to redesign schedules of MacBooks or iPads are irrelevant; I repeat: the watch is fashion.

Personally, the square design never appealed to me and I find almost all of Apple-designed bands are bafflingly silly looking. Considering the sorry state of design at Apple these days (the Vision Pro is the ugliest thing Apple has ever designed, features and technology aside), I have very little reason to get hyped. I hope I'm proven wrong.
 
For me Apple Watch is the embodiment of an Apple product that for all intents and purposes has been abandoned for at least 5 years now: a project that's lost momentum in innovation, design and feature set; a poster child of the Tim Cook era of bare minimum effort for maximum possible profit. A product that carried so much promise of what it means to wear technology on your body has delivered shockingly little.

Regarding the promise of 'new look', remember the Apple Watch was positioned as much of a miniature computer on your wrist as well a high fashion timepiece. 10 years ago Apple recruited Anna Wintour to feature it in Vogue, yet today the design, the aesthetic aspect of it, looks unbelievably tired, boring, dull, stagnant. If fashion is dictated in the September issue of Vogue, the watch is arguably the least fashionable thing one can wear - it never changes. Comparisons to redesign schedules of MacBooks or iPads are irrelevant; I repeat: the watch is fashion.

Personally, the square design never appealed to me and I find almost all of Apple-designed bands are bafflingly silly looking. Considering the sorry state of design at Apple these days (the Vision Pro is the ugliest thing Apple has ever designed, features and technology aside), I have very little reason to get hyped. I hope I'm proven wrong.
Expecting watches to change every couple of years in the name of "fashion" is not understanding watches. Fashionable watch lines often don't notably change in decades. If you look at an Omega Speedmaster from 1957 and compare it to one from today, do you see many differences? Fashion doesn't mean it changes every year, like all things culture, it's an interplay between continuity, movements and countermovements.

If you go on the vogue website right now and click on the fashion tab, you'll see an article about how 35-years-old looks from princess Diana are inspiring todays looks. Continuity like that is especially true in watches. Just look at the Hodinkee article on the best dress watches of 2023: https://www.hodinkee.com/articles/the-best-dress-watches-of-2023: https://www.hodinkee.com/articles/the-best-dress-watches-of-2023 and see how many of them look more alike their predecessor than the Apple Watch does.

As for the so-called lack of innovation, that's pretty normal. innovation follows a log curve, fast at first, slower once you run into constraints. Given the very small dimensions of the watch, you run into those constraints fast and hard. If anything, I think it's admirable how they've continued adding features in the last five years:
series 5:compass and always-on display; series 6: blood oxygen monitor, ultra-wideband, altimeter; series 7: brighter, faster charging, improved dust-resisantce, rounder design and almost 20% bigger display; series 8: temperature sensor, car crash detection with new accelerometers and gyros; series 9: double brightness, 78% reduction in carbon emissions from production (yes, that's an amazing feature year-over-year).
Only the series 7 and the series 9 could be argued to be less innovative from the consumer's point of view, but they both clearly represent huge innovations on the production side of things (the changes to the case in the 7, the carbon footprint of the 9 (yes, "carbon neutral" is bogus, 78% reduction is not).
 
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Expecting watches to change every couple of years in the name of "fashion" is not understanding watches. Fashionable watch lines often don't notably change in decades. If you look at an Omega Speedmaster from 1957 and compare it to one from today, do you see many differences? Fashion doesn't mean it changes every year, like all things culture, it's an interplay between continuity, movements and countermovements.

If you go on the vogue website right now and click on the fashion tab, you'll see an article about how 35-years-old looks from princess Diana are inspiring todays looks. Continuity like that is especially true in watches. Just look at the Hodinkee article on the best dress watches of 2023: https://www.hodinkee.com/articles/the-best-dress-watches-of-2023: https://www.hodinkee.com/articles/the-best-dress-watches-of-2023 and see how many of them look more alike their predecessor than the Apple Watch does.

As for the so-called lack of innovation, that's pretty normal. innovation follows a log curve, fast at first, slower once you run into constraints. Given the very small dimensions of the watch, you run into those constraints fast and hard. If anything, I think it's admirable how they've continued adding features in the last five years:
series 5:compass and always-on display; series 6: blood oxygen monitor, ultra-wideband, altimeter; series 7: brighter, faster charging, improved dust-resisantce, rounder design and almost 20% bigger display; series 8: temperature sensor, car crash detection with new accelerometers and gyros; series 9: double brightness, 78% reduction in carbon emissions from production (yes, that's an amazing feature year-over-year).
Only the series 7 and the series 9 could be argued to be less innovative from the consumer's point of view, but they both clearly represent huge innovations on the production side of things (the changes to the case in the 7, the carbon footprint of the 9 (yes, "carbon neutral" is bogus, 78% reduction is not).
Thanks for taking the time to argue against the points I'm making - I take it you disagree with all of them - in a civilised way :)

I agree that some Rolex and Omega watches are timeless classics due to design and materials, but -let's be real- the Apple Watch is no such thing. I'm not an expert in fashion, but I observe the world around me and it seems that fashion reinvents itself at cutthroat speed. We express ourselves through what we wear, whether consciously or otherwise, but even though the Apple Watch remains very much as wearable item, it has long stopped making a fashion statement. It's dull. It sells itself through whatever little new features they introduce each year, plus the odd new band color or some other lofty political special edition.

Regarding the new features you listed, I think they're minimal. At any given time, the Apple Watch has, let's say, 100 features. The fact that they add 1-2 additional ones each year does not materialise the immense promise of wearable tech. It's simply release schedule by spreadsheets, not by vision or a culture of acceleration in innovation.
 
"invested"? The best you can hope for is that the new band continues to work with your current watch until both get smashed up in a recycling machine.

I will not even talk about my "investment" in Apple lighting charger cables...
It is an investment in joy and happiness… at least that’s what I tell my accountant 😅
 
Bigger screen and better battery maybe it will be that Apple watch ultra ultra 😎👍
 
As a young person I don't personally care about these health features. I'll get my blood pressure checked at doctor visits. And why is microLED better than OLED on an Apple Watch?
 
You’d think by now after 10 years of all this evolution, we’d be able to set custom ringtones and notification sounds on the damn thing.
 
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I'm probably alone here, but I'd love to see a round Apple Watch. As long as we're dreaming, an Apple watch store would be great. As much as the Snoopy can brighten my day, Id love to see what third party party designers could do with a "watchkit" from Apple. :)
 
Can't apnea be detected by Apple Watch already, using the blood oxygen sensor?? I gave this for granted!
 
I look at the band situation like this. They kept the same design for 10yrs.
Can't expect them to keep the same design forever.

The basic spring loaded pin to hold watch bands to watches has been in existence for a hundred years. I don’t think even Apple can come up with a better connector than the one they are using now. If they do change it I’d expect adapters to be available. Maybe not from apple but from other sources.
 
it will not provide specific systolic and diastolic measurements. A future version of the technology may be able to provide exact readings.

So like the thermometer. It's better than nothing though. I wish they would complete the thermometer feature as well.
 
You are unlikely to get useful blood pressure readings from a small, wrist-mounted device. It's hard enough getting accurate and repeatable readings with an arm-based cuff. Even the wrist-based cuffs are too unreliable and inconsistent.

The most likely result would be relative pressure changes of a coarsely measured nature. That would be able to tell you that your pressure is up or down compared to some baseline. You might be able to see trends over the course of a day and that might be interesting. Just don't expect it to give you the kind of reading you get in the doctors office (or from an at home cuff).
Nonsense. This is coming. Its not like this limitation will exist forever. First step: baseline, few years later: exact readings. All the data is there right in your wrist. The tech just has to be refined to see it.
 
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