2025 Formula One Season Thread

[The-Real-Deal82]

Everyone fumed about it when an Italian team did it, and when the Singapore GP deliberate crash happened (gave Alonso a useful time to pit).

Teams will probably still find ways to get around it, but it has to be stopped.

Just because the team is British doesn’t mean they should be excused.

I don't think the fact the team are British has any bearing on the recation as we've seen many moments since 2002 where team orders have been used. Austria 2002 had a negative reaction because of how it was done and when it was done. Rubens dominated the race and Michael was well ahead in the championship and didn't need the win. I think even Michael was embarassed by the whole thing and gave his win at Indy to Rubens to give him back a deserved win. Lando pulled aside and slowed from a 6 second lead in Hungary last season to give Oscar a win and although it was controversial, I cannot understand why yesterday is getting more attention. The team made a mistake and they had to correct it to make sure both drivers are treated fairly going into the last part of the season. If team orders come in and start favouring one driver in particular, then I think there is an issue.

Red Bull and Mercedes are both British teams and got a lot of flack for issuing team orders over the last decade.

 

[headlessmike]

I don't think the fact the team are British has any bearing on the recation as we've seen many moments since 2002 where team orders have been used. Austria 2002 had a negative reaction because of how it was done and when it was done. Rubens dominated the race and Michael was well ahead in the championship and didn't need the win. I think even Michael was embarassed by the whole thing and gave his win at Indy to Rubens to give him back a deserved win. Lando pulled aside and slowed from a 6 second lead in Hungary last season to give Oscar a win and although it was controversial, I cannot understand why yesterday is getting more attention. The team made a mistake and they had to correct it to make sure both drivers are treated fairly going into the last part of the season. If team orders come in and start favouring one driver in particular, then I think there is an issue.

Red Bull and Mercedes are both British teams and got a lot of flack for issuing team orders over the last decade.

We've grown used to seeing team orders used to protect the championship contender. I think the reason this occasion stands out is how many perceive the team leadership to be systematically working against their own championship leader. The situation is a bit different given that both main contenders are on the same team, but team orders are a slippery slope and if the team forces Oscar to give Lando back P2 because of a mistake, then Oscar's request at Silverstone doesn't seem too outlandish assuming the team agreed with him in considering the penalty unfair. It would be easier if we didn't allow team orders in the first place.

 

[The-Real-Deal82]

We've grown used to seeing team orders used to protect the championship contender. I think the reason this occasion stands out is how many perceive the team leadership to be systematically working against their own championship leader. The situation is a bit different given that both main contenders are on the same team, but team orders are a slippery slope and if the team forces Oscar to give Lando back P2 because of a mistake, then Oscar's request at Silverstone doesn't seem too outlandish assuming the team agreed with him in considering the penalty unfair. It would be easier if we didn't allow team orders in the first place.

I would rather not see team orders too, and would much rather have seen McLaren allow Lando to attack Oscar in the final 8 laps, risk or not. They are trying to keep it fair and team harmony is important at this stage. Had team orders not been used, we could have seen the start of a huge fallout and Stella watched McLaren implode in 2007 from the comfort of the Ferrari pitwall, so knows it is a delicate situation to manage.

 

[avro707]

They can get away from team orders completely by tweaking Piastri's car a little bit, few other little hidden changes so it isn't quite as fast.

No team orders, but the same effect. Let's see if they do that now that they've been roasted. They could even suggest that Piastri was just having a bad weekend, just poor luck.

What will McLaren do if Piastri decides to not play nice anymore...

 

[pachyderm]

They can get away from team orders completely by tweaking Piastri's car a little bit, few other little hidden changes so it isn't quite as fast.

No team orders, but the same effect. Let's see if they do that now that they've been roasted. They could even suggest that Piastri was just having a bad weekend, just poor luck.

What will McLaren do if Piastri decides to not play nice anymore...

They'll be picking up a lot of car debris...

How McLaren's Monza team orders played out

Mark Hughes breaks down the key moments and reaction behind McLaren's team orders during the Italian Grand Prix.

www.formula1.com

 

[pachyderm]

The trophy ... explained...?

 

[CWallace]

Kind of disappointed in Norris. I thought it would be the right thing to do during the after race interview to say Oscar was a real gentleman.

Honestly, saying nothing was probably the best course of action. This keeps the criticism focus on it being a decision by the team that Lando had no input into.

They don't owe any driver anything. Drivers are employed by the teams, not the other way around. Norris had better track position, sadly due to a better qualifying position, and the team choose to pit him second. If the positions were different, we would have seen the opposite situation. McClaren were transparent.

Pretty much. "Papaya Rules" are there to prevent another Prost-Senna or Alonso-Lewis situation and team management has been very clear that you either play by them, or you look for a drive elsewhere. McLaren is now strong enough that most drivers would happily sign for the team under those conditions.

They can get away from team orders completely by tweaking Piastri's car a little bit, few other little hidden changes so it isn't quite as fast.

I've heard it said that Lando has a much larger commercial value to McLaren as WDC than Piastri does, but deliberately manipulating the outcome of the WDC on those grounds would likely backfire spectacularly. And do not forget we have MBS and his ruthless crushing of anything that bring "disrepute" to the FIA. I could easily see him fining McLaren the full value of their first place finish in the CC for such an action.

What will McLaren do if Piastri decides to not play nice anymore...

Fire him.

 

[Apple fanboy]

I think given it’s a two horse race, the FIA would be happy that the title is likely to go on longer.
But I still see Oscar taking the title unless he picks up a DNF.

 

[Glideslope]

Oscar didn't get to take part in FP1, which could explain his pace deficit this weekend.

He commented in post that it wasn’t helpful…..

 

[Madonepro]

I think given it’s a two horse race, the FIA would be happy that the title is likely to go on longer.
But I still see Oscar taking the title unless he picks up a DNF.

The strategy was the driver with track position, stay ahead. The pit had a problem with that, so they rectified it.
Ultimately everyone on the pits, works for McClaren, including the drivers, so the FIA have no input.