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Absolutely shocked. Race wasn’t the best. But McLaren have given Max the gift of his life!
A three horse race right to the wire for sure now. The TV executives will be rubbing their hands with glee
 
Personally I am skeptical. Horner is said to want an ownership stake in whatever team he goes to so he cannot so easily be sacked again and Lawrence is on record saying he is not interested in doing so. Plus does Adrian, who does have an ownership stake in the team, want to deal with him again?

Andreas Seidl and Mattia Binotto are said to be on the short list. Not sure how easy it would be to steal Binotto from Audi, so my guess would be they hire Seidl.

Agreed. I’m not sure if Mattia is up to the job though.
 
Dull race, and it’s opened up the door for Max to win the title with the disqualifications. I have a feeling George Russell will be world champion before Lando as the Mercedes is rumoured to be good for 2026 and I think he’s a more competent driver tbh.

Antonelli driver of the day without a shadow of doubt, and a great second place for George.

Onto a dreadful circuit in a country that shouldn’t be on the calendar and I think we’ll see the title then go down to the wire. Whatever spices up the show.

I’m really enjoying watching Kimi. He continues to impress me. So settled for a 19 year old at a circuit for the first time in an F1 ride.

I’d like to see George get a WDC next year. I believe Kimi will be a tough teammate though.
I don’t see Toto treating the situation like Lewis and Valtteri.
 
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I’m really enjoying watching Kimi. He continues to impress me. So settled for a 19 year old at a circuit for the first time in an F1 ride.

I’d like to see George get a WDC next year. I believe Kimi will be a tough teammate though.
I don’t see Toto treating the situation like Lewis and Valtteri.
I can see Kimi surpassing George. But not sure it will happen as quickly as next year.
Also I think the hype surrounding 2026 Mercedes is a bit premature in my opinion. No one will know where they are until Australia most likely.
 
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I find it kind of sad that 2021 has been stained by the taint of Abu Dhabi, of what happened at the last event, 1 decision, and that is all everyone remembers..

That takes away from the insanity of the season, as 2025 has been. At one point, Piastry WDC 2025 champion, then it was Mr Norris, now it could be anyone of 3 drivers, this is brilliant and bizarre..

Max won in 2021, for so many reasons, but the best was he had more points.. Why did he have more points, he did not have as many wins... Simple in F1, both drivers in a team score points, in 2021, Lewis had Bottas as a team-mate, and Bottas misunderstood his assignment, and kept scoring 3rd places, and gifting 2nd places and more points to Mr Verstappen.. The result, Max had more points than Mr Hamilton...

What has happened in 2025 is that Mr Piastry has not been taking points from Max, nor has Mr Paw and Mr PawPaw figured out that you need a #1 and a clear #2 driver, the 2nd driver is a bit of a criminal, a mugger, a pickpocket, low level crime, steals your wallet, and phone, but that is all...

If Mr Bottas had mugged Max in say Bahrain, Portugal and Spain, ie come 2nd instead of 3rd, this would have given Mr Lewis 1 point more than Mr Verstappen at the end of the Farce of Adu Dhabi..

But the PawPaw Mr and Mr have not yet understood how the sport works.... It is not hard.. You pick a favorite child, and the 2nd has to accept mommy loves them less.. Mr Norris is Daddy's darling.. He is the star, the hero, Mr Piastry, has to either accept or move on...

2 races, sorry 3, that stupid sprint, anyway, I kind of expect Mr Norris and Mr Piastry to finish 2nd/3rd in the WDC to Mr Verstappen.. Unless Mommy and Daddy PawPaws can mature in the next few days, and choose a favorite child, the pawpaw rules should be for toddlers and hiding why mommy loves Lando more...
 
I’m really enjoying watching Kimi. He continues to impress me. So settled for a 19 year old at a circuit for the first time in an F1 ride.

I’d like to see George get a WDC next year. I believe Kimi will be a tough teammate though.
I don’t see Toto treating the situation like Lewis and Valtteri.
He is definitely a huge talent for the future and will only get better with experience. The same applies to George though as he has made a huge leap in ability this season and he isn't going to stagnate while Kimi just gets better. I think Toto is realising the potential of George now and seems a lot more complimentary in interviews and on the radio towards him. I think George is also one of the few drivers Max is cautious of too as he's not afraid to leave a wheel in the way and Max has found that out on a numerous of occasions. I am enjoying watching them both develop.

I think McLaren need to make a big decision after the double disqualification. Two Grand Prix left and one of those silly sprint races, and just a 24 point lead over Max. They really need to admit that Lando has the lead and the momentum at this point and needs full support.

I thought it was incredible that McLaren failed the skid plank scrutineering by just 0.07mm, or for context, the width of a human hair! No tolerance accepted at all and as an engineer myself, I find that incredibly harsh. Even the best vernier calipers in the world have a plus/minus tolerance of 0.02mm at full calibration. Rules are rules but wow, somebody really wanted that disqualification at a crucial point in the season.
 
He is definitely a huge talent for the future and will only get better with experience. The same applies to George though as he has made a huge leap in ability this season and he isn't going to stagnate while Kimi just gets better. I think Toto is realising the potential of George now and seems a lot more complimentary in interviews and on the radio towards him. I think George is also one of the few drivers Max is cautious of too as he's not afraid to leave a wheel in the way and Max has found that out on a numerous of occasions. I am enjoying watching them both develop.

I think McLaren need to make a big decision after the double disqualification. Two Grand Prix left and one of those silly sprint races, and just a 24 point lead over Max. They really need to admit that Lando has the lead and the momentum at this point and needs full support.

I thought it was incredible that McLaren failed the skid plank scrutineering by just 0.07mm, or for context, the width of a human hair! No tolerance accepted at all and as an engineer myself, I find that incredibly harsh. Even the best vernier calipers in the world have a plus/minus tolerance of 0.02mm at full calibration. Rules are rules but wow, somebody really wanted that disqualification at a crucial point in the season.
You haven't been paying attention, they already have. It's Lando's to lose.
 
He is definitely a huge talent for the future and will only get better with experience. The same applies to George though as he has made a huge leap in ability this season and he isn't going to stagnate while Kimi just gets better. I think Toto is realising the potential of George now and seems a lot more complimentary in interviews and on the radio towards him. I think George is also one of the few drivers Max is cautious of too as he's not afraid to leave a wheel in the way and Max has found that out on a numerous of occasions. I am enjoying watching them both develop.

I think McLaren need to make a big decision after the double disqualification. Two Grand Prix left and one of those silly sprint races, and just a 24 point lead over Max. They really need to admit that Lando has the lead and the momentum at this point and needs full support.

I thought it was incredible that McLaren failed the skid plank scrutineering by just 0.07mm, or for context, the width of a human hair! No tolerance accepted at all and as an engineer myself, I find that incredibly harsh. Even the best vernier calipers in the world have a plus/minus tolerance of 0.02mm at full calibration. Rules are rules but wow, somebody really wanted that disqualification at a crucial point in the season.

In a decision like this is it strictly the stewards or, for the sake of discussion, would the head of a regulatory body be brought in for the final outcome?
 
In a decision like this is it strictly the stewards or, for the sake of discussion, would the head of a regulatory body be brought in for the final outcome?

I believe McLaren can appeal, but I do not expect them to and with the season finished in two weeks, there is likely insufficient time to hear such an appeal.

It would be FIA scrutineers I would think and they'd give their feedback to the stewarding panel to issue any decisions.

And those scrutineers take their official measurements (that determine if the car is legal or not) in the presence of team technical staff and the decision notes the make and model of the calipers and when they were last calibrated.

As to why the FIA offers no tolerance, they consider it a safety-issue. They do not want teams running the cars even lower and risk bottoming out and losing control because their is some "wiggle-room" allowed in the wear.

There have been claims that some teams may have been using heating elements on their titanium skids in Brazil during Free Practice and the Sprint events. By regulation, the skids are to be level with the plank, however by heating them it allowed the metal to expand and therefore the skid impacted the track and not the plank. The heating elements were then turned off on the cooldown lap and the skid returned to its original dimensions. FIA technical delegate Jo Bauer reportedly examined the skids on all cars before Grand Prix qualifying and ordered them removed.

And for the conspiracy theorists, McLaren has not been implicated in this scheme. Though for the conspiracy theorists, the US does allow titanium dioxide as a food additive and people have created data charts showing Kimi does better when he is in a country that allows the additive. ;)
 
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He is definitely a huge talent for the future and will only get better with experience. The same applies to George though as he has made a huge leap in ability this season and he isn't going to stagnate while Kimi just gets better. I think Toto is realising the potential of George now and seems a lot more complimentary in interviews and on the radio towards him. I think George is also one of the few drivers Max is cautious of too as he's not afraid to leave a wheel in the way and Max has found that out on a numerous of occasions. I am enjoying watching them both develop.

I think McLaren need to make a big decision after the double disqualification. Two Grand Prix left and one of those silly sprint races, and just a 24 point lead over Max. They really need to admit that Lando has the lead and the momentum at this point and needs full support.

I thought it was incredible that McLaren failed the skid plank scrutineering by just 0.07mm, or for context, the width of a human hair! No tolerance accepted at all and as an engineer myself, I find that incredibly harsh. Even the best vernier calipers in the world have a plus/minus tolerance of 0.02mm at full calibration. Rules are rules but wow, somebody really wanted that disqualification at a crucial point in the season.
Not quite. They are supposed to be 10mm. 9mm is including the tolerance
So they were below. It’s unfortunate, but the rules are the rules.

My concern is Max will win the sprint and the race. Then he’ll be in front for the final race. No chance they both finish if Max can’t win cleanly then me thinks. It will just be elbows out Max as usual.
 
I believe McLaren can appeal, but I do not expect them to and with the season finished in two weeks, there is likely insufficient time to hear such an appeal.



And those scrutineers take their official measurements (that determine if the car is legal or not) in the presence of team technical staff and the decision notes the make and model of the calipers and when they were last calibrated.

As to why the FIA offers no tolerance, they consider it a safety-issue. They do not want teams running the cars even lower and risk bottoming out and losing control because their is some "wiggle-room" allowed in the wear.

There have been claims that some teams may have been using heating elements on their titanium skids in Brazil during Free Practice and the Sprint events. By regulation, the skids are to be level with the plank, however by heating them it allowed the metal to expand and therefore the skid impacted the track and not the plank. The heating elements were then turned off on the cooldown lap and the skid returned to its original dimensions. FIA technical delegate Jo Bauer reportedly examined the skids on all cars before Grand Prix qualifying and ordered them removed.

And for the conspiracy theorists, McLaren has not been implicated in this scheme. Though for the conspiracy theorists, the US does allow titanium dioxide as a food additive and people have created data charts showing he does better when he is in a country that allows the additive. ;)

ROFLOL. I never thought I'd see Titanium Dioxide in here... My favorites are the WX charts showing performance enhancements based on the barometric pressures, sunrise times, and moon phases... The energy spent is fascinating.
 
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There is something majorly wrong with the sport if 0.07 difference in thickness is considered performance enhancing and thus cause for a disqualification. It is the same with the weigh-in's. I understand the safety and health implications for drivers as to why their weight needs to be checked but come on, if they sweat too much and it affects the overall weigh-in, they can be disqualified, if too much fuel is used or too much rubber has come off the tires and it affects the weigh-in, they can be disqualified. I have never accepted that all F1 cars needs to be on an equal level. If factory teams can afford the best and build the best then let them.

The reason I have never accepted the things F1 does to try and make it a level playing field for all is because no other main stream sport does it. Football (soccer), Basketball, ICE Hockey, NFL football, Baseball, Tennis, they all have their titans of the sport, they buy the best and make the best (bats, footwear, rackets). Was Michael Jordan forced to put on ankle weights to make sure he was on the same level playing field as everyone else? no, did FIFA make Lionel Messi wear ankle weights to make sure he was on the same level playing field as everyone else? no, did tennis do the same to Novak Djokovic? no. Bare in mind though having the best does not always guarantee success. There have been numerous cases around the world where lesser quality shines through. It is something we see in Football (soccer) a lot.

Nearly everybody wants sport to be fair. Life is not fair because if it was we would all be rich, we would all have a nice house, a nice paying job, a nice life, but life is not like that. So why should sport. If you have the money to buy the best and make the best they they should be allowed to do so. Is my view an unlikeable view, yes because many people think it is boring seeing the best win all the time, I do not.
 
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There is something majorly wrong with the sport if 0.07 difference in thickness is considered performance enhancing and thus cause for a disqualification. It is the same with the weigh-in's. I understand the safety and health implications for drivers as to why their weight needs to be checked but come on, if they sweat too much and it affects the overall weigh-in, they can be disqualified, if too much fuel is used or too much rubber has come off the tires and it affects the weigh-in, they can be disqualified. I have never accepted that all F1 cars needs to be on an equal level. If factory teams can afford the best and build the best then let them.

The reason I have never accepted the things F1 does to try and make it a level playing field for all is because no other main stream sport does it. Football (soccer), Basketball, ICE Hockey, NFL football, Baseball, Tennis, they all have their titans of the sport, they buy the best and make the best (bats, footwear, rackets). Was Michael Jordan forced to put on ankle weights to make sure he was on the same level playing field as everyone else? no, did FIFA make Lionel Messi wear ankle weights to make sure he was on the same level playing field as everyone else? no, did tennis do the same to Novak Djokovic? no. Bare in mind though having the best does not always guarantee success. There have been numerous cases around the world where lesser quality shines through. It is something we see in Football (soccer) a lot.

Nearly everybody wants sport to be fair. Life is not fair because if it was we would all be rich, we would all have a nice house, a nice paying job, a nice life, but life is not like that. So why should sport. If you have the money to buy the best and make the best they they should be allowed to do so. Is my view an unlikeable view, yes because many people think it is boring seeing the best win all the time, I do not.
Rules are rules. No different in any sport. The amount by which you break them is irrelevant, breaking the rules is the point.
 
Not quite. They are supposed to be 10mm. 9mm is including the tolerance
So they were below. It’s unfortunate, but the rules are the rules.

My concern is Max will win the sprint and the race. Then he’ll be in front for the final race. No chance they both finish if Max can’t win cleanly then me thinks. It will just be elbows out Max as usual.
Ah ok, I hadn't realised the 9mm was the bottom end of the tolerance already applied, then in that case it is not so absurd. Rules are rules indeed.
 
Unlike "stick and ball" sports, where the human element is the focus, motorsports is a technical sport first and foremost and while the human element is important (witness Max Verstappen this year), it is not the true focus.

And F1 does not try and "equalize" performance - they have a set of rules and specifications that the teams are allowed relatively free reign to build within. This is why we see ideas tried in F1 that we do not see in other motorsports where more of the car design and specifications are pre-defined in the rulebook.
 
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In other news, we may see Imola one more time with reports coming out of Italy of a recent "circuit walk" of the Madring showing the circuit shockingly behind in terms of construction and outfitting. As such, contingency plans are quietly being drawn up to send the Circus to Imola in the week after Monza for 2026.

And Helmut Marko actually apologized to Yuki after the Las Vegas Grand Prix. Does this mean that Yuki might be safe for 2026 and returned to Racing Bulls?
 
In other news, we may see Imola one more time with reports coming out of Italy of a recent "circuit walk" of the Madring showing the circuit shockingly behind in terms of construction and outfitting. As such, contingency plans are quietly being drawn up to send the Circus to Imola in the week after Monza for 2026.

And Helmut Marko actually apologized to Yuki after the Las Vegas Grand Prix. Does this mean that Yuki might be safe for 2026 and returned to Racing Bulls?
Madring schedule is actually worse than reported, because the writers are all assuming that the deadline is the beginning of the F1 weekend. Madrings first event isn't actually F1 - it's Euro3 - a Spanish Formula 3 event, in August (with other local events supporting). This is schedule a month before to sort out any bottlenecks discovered before F1 arrives - and it's due for homologation that weekend.
 
There is something majorly wrong with the sport if 0.07 difference in thickness is considered performance enhancing and thus cause for a disqualification. It is the same with the weigh-in's. I understand the safety and health implications for drivers as to why their weight needs to be checked but come on, if they sweat too much and it affects the overall weigh-in, they can be disqualified, if too much fuel is used or too much rubber has come off the tires and it affects the weigh-in, they can be disqualified. I have never accepted that all F1 cars needs to be on an equal level. If factory teams can afford the best and build the best then let them.

It is a sport which is ultimately scored to a thousandth of a second, and probably captured to more digits.

The level of precision is high, and it is because it does matter.

Ride heights, tire pressures, weights, wing measurements/angles, etc., are all objective standards, that apply to all competitors equally. No competitor, or team, is under any illusion that they won't be penalized if they don't conform to the rules.

The reason I have never accepted the things F1 does to try and make it a level playing field for all is because no other main stream sport does it. Football (soccer), Basketball, ICE Hockey, NFL football, Baseball, Tennis, they all have their titans of the sport, they buy the best and make the best (bats, footwear, rackets). Was Michael Jordan forced to put on ankle weights to make sure he was on the same level playing field as everyone else? no, did FIFA make Lionel Messi wear ankle weights to make sure he was on the same level playing field as everyone else? no, did tennis do the same to Novak Djokovic? no. Bare in mind though having the best does not always guarantee success. There have been numerous cases around the world where lesser quality shines through. It is something we see in Football (soccer) a lot.

Of all the major racing series, F1 has been the most liberal, and still does most represent a meritocracy. Before the budget cap, it was also more of a budget-orcracy.

The ankle-weight analogy does apply to sports car racing, where weights, power levels, and other parameters are adjusted on a race-by-race basis as part of the BoP process. Even in the more restrictive GT classes.

It is a necessary (evil, to many) due to the disparity in the various types of machinery which gives that sport much of its appeal. Otherwise, a large GT luxury coupe such as a BMW M6 would be at a disadvantage to a more purebred sports car like a Ferrari 458 against which it competed.

However, unlike sports car, F1 has no such mechanisms, no restrictions on developments (though now limited by budgets), or very strict homologation requirements.

Nearly everybody wants sport to be fair. Life is not fair because if it was we would all be rich, we would all have a nice house, a nice paying job, a nice life, but life is not like that. So why should sport. If you have the money to buy the best and make the best they they should be allowed to do so. Is my view an unlikeable view, yes because many people think it is boring seeing the best win all the time, I do not.

Open formulas in racing don't last long. They can become spending wars, which lead to competitive imbalance, which is not entertaining for much of the audience, and discourages participation from entrants, existing as well as potential new entrants. Of all the racing disciplines, top-level sports car racing is most cyclical, repeatedly going through feast-or-famine cycles.

Even during this latest "golden age." VAG and its members are all experiencing financial difficulty, but Porsche's withdrawal from the WEC was made all the more easier a decision due to the poorly implemented competitive adjustments that has clearly given Ferrari an advantage, especially at LM. Porsche ran a perfect race during the last LM, but still couldn't get within reach of the leading Ferrari.

Racing, like other sports, is still sports entertainment, not pure unfettered competitions, so there must be a balance between the various conflicting factors. It is no doubt difficult to achieve, and every series has its own ideas of what is balanced, and sustainable for its purposes.

Exceeded the wear limits of plank elements, though not frequent, is not an uncommon violation. Porsche was also disqualified for the same violation in IMSA this past season.

However small, of seemingly inconsequential, a few hundredths may seem, every other team on that grid, as well as the one in Vegas, was able to conform. It was McLaren who did not, and therefore rightfully paid a price for cutting it too close.
 
It is a sport which is ultimately scored to a thousandth of a second, and probably captured to more digits.

The level of precision is high, and it is because it does matter.

Ride heights, tire pressures, weights, wing measurements/angles, etc., are all objective standards, that apply to all competitors equally. No competitor, or team, is under any illusion that they won't be penalized if they don't conform to the rules.



Of all the major racing series, F1 has been the most liberal, and still does most represent a meritocracy. Before the budget cap, it was also more of a budget-orcracy.

The ankle-weight analogy does apply to sports car racing, where weights, power levels, and other parameters are adjusted on a race-by-race basis as part of the BoP process. Even in the more restrictive GT classes.

It is a necessary (evil, to many) due to the disparity in the various types of machinery which gives that sport much of its appeal. Otherwise, a large GT luxury coupe such as a BMW M6 would be at a disadvantage to a more purebred sports car like a Ferrari 458 against which it competed.

However, unlike sports car, F1 has no such mechanisms, no restrictions on developments (though now limited by budgets), or very strict homologation requirements.



Open formulas in racing don't last long. They can become spending wars, which lead to competitive imbalance, which is not entertaining for much of the audience, and discourages participation from entrants, existing as well as potential new entrants. Of all the racing disciplines, top-level sports car racing is most cyclical, repeatedly going through feast-or-famine cycles.

Even during this latest "golden age." VAG and its members are all experiencing financial difficulty, but Porsche's withdrawal from the WEC was made all the more easier a decision due to the poorly implemented competitive adjustments that has clearly given Ferrari an advantage, especially at LM. Porsche ran a perfect race during the last LM, but still couldn't get within reach of the leading Ferrari.

Racing, like other sports, is still sports entertainment, not pure unfettered competitions, so there must be a balance between the various conflicting factors. It is no doubt difficult to achieve, and every series has its own ideas of what is balanced, and sustainable for its purposes.

Exceeded the wear limits of plank elements, though not frequent, is not an uncommon violation. Porsche was also disqualified for the same violation in IMSA this past season.

However small, of seemingly inconsequential, a few hundredths may seem, every other team on that grid, as well as the one in Vegas, was able to conform. It was McLaren who did not, and therefore rightfully paid a price for cutting it too close.
Not quite. Scrutaniring doesn’t check every car. It would take too long. Typically the top three and another couple of cars. So yes McLaren did have excessive wear. But others may also have had the same issue and got away with it.
 
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Not quite. Scrutineering doesn’t check every car. It would take too long. Typically the top three and another couple of cars. So yes McLaren did have excessive wear. But others may also have had the same issue and got away with it.

I believe Norris was checked and when his car was found to be out of specification, they also checked Piastri's and found the same. If Norris had been okay and Piastri had not, Piastri would have likely been able to escape scrutiny and his initial result would have stood.
 
Arguably it makes sense as he was given significant control of the technical side of the team and had been doing a lot of personnel housecleaning. Cowell had also tried very hard to silo the factory and trackside technical teams and Newey was said to have been very against it. So with him in charge now, he can oversee the entire operation.
 
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