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I agree, experience means nothing. After all, what is it experience at? Failed relationships.

Yeah, well failed relationships are the only social feedback you get. Otherwise good luck trying to make it work without past experience to tell you where you're screwing up or where she's screwing up, or what you need and what's a deal breaker.

It's funny when people claim that this girl their type and then say they've never dated before. Without past experience you have no way of knowing what your type is.

This is why a lot of you younger guys will end up getting played later in life. This guy Hold is too scared to embarrass himself by telling a girl he likes her so instead he has to make 3 threads about it over the course of a year. In 10 years he'll end up embarrassing himself for real when he marries the first girl who gives him attention and bounces a year later with half his income in the form of spousal support.
 
ChefMacDaddy, are you in this picture? You sound dreamy.

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Man, you sound just like me! I am of similar age and look quite good as well. However, I had tons of girlfriends in high school, in fact, I had a new one every few months. As I find myself in college now, I find myself in a similar situation and I can relate. I have asked out girls, I even tried buying new clothes, fancy jewelry and such, but nothing. Even the D League girls haven't asked a stud like me out.

I see that you have a girl that you have liked for quite some time. I had that experience once where there was this girl in one of my discussion classes, she had a boyfriend, but I asked her out anyways and she said she will think about it and never got back to me. The semester is over and I don't have to face her every day anymore. Well, she recently announced on FB that she broke up with her douche of a boyfriend and I think I have another shot, but I'll leave her since I would be an obvious upgrade and too much for her to handle.

We are too much alike. Us quality guys should stick together and try to find that perfect someone. Remember, there's always a girl behind the one you were looking at. I'm glad someone here shares the same feelings here. :)


The best advice yet man, don't take it for nothing.
 
I want a realationship with someone I can care for and that will care for me.
I don't use Facebook.
At my current job there is a girl I am crazy over.
Unfortunately I didn't make a move and 3 months later she met someone.
I fear that over time we won't keep in touch and this might be my last chance. She is absolute perfection. I would do anything for her.

I've think I've seen this movie dozens of times before. Work and romance make a good story because of the chances for conflict go way up.

Don't be a home wrecker. You can be friends but you will always question if you're good enough to get her legitimatly if you go the home wrecking way.

Generally be confident in yourself without being Pepé Le Pew. If she runs and giggles then you can be Pepé Le Pew. The self confidence issue is causing a high level of clinginess. This is undesirable from either sex.

If you wan't to keep on your friends that are usually out of touch use Facebook, Friendface, or equivalent.

Probably what you're doing wrong right now is posting this question to strangers instead of your circle of real people. If you don't have one, get one.


If you think it is best to leave her alone, what can and should I do to try and meet a quality girl?

Stop trying so hard. Be happy with yourself. Then make others happy. Then realize you can come outside your shell. Then it will happen.

I'm not looking for a ****** buddy.
Despite never having a girlfriend, sex is the last thig I'm looking for. All I want is someone I can love and a proper realationship.

And probably what you're doing wrong later is trying to mentally separate love and sex. Just because you're told that proper people don't do that kind of thing doesn't mean that every healthy person doesn't want to and does.

For now you have to figure out why you needed to post this to strangers instead of the people you know.

This sounds so much like the standard movie plot that I am having trouble believing it is coming from a real person. If it is for real then movies can help. Get a bunch girl buddies and acquaintances over for weekly movie night to watch girl movies so you can ask questions along the way. You'll be up to speed in no time.
 
Man, you sound just like me! I am of similar age and look quite good as well. However, I had tons of girlfriends in high school, in fact, I had a new one every few months. As I find myself in college now, I find myself in a similar situation and I can relate. I have asked out girls, I even tried buying new clothes, fancy jewelry and such, but nothing. Even the D League girls haven't asked a stud like me out.

I see that you have a girl that you have liked for quite some time. I had that experience once where there was this girl in one of my discussion classes, she had a boyfriend, but I asked her out anyways and she said she will think about it and never got back to me. The semester is over and I don't have to face her every day anymore. Well, she recently announced on FB that she broke up with her douche of a boyfriend and I think I have another shot, but I'll leave her since I would be an obvious upgrade and too much for her to handle.

We are too much alike. Us quality guys should stick together and try to find that perfect someone. Remember, there's always a girl behind the one you were looking at. I'm glad someone here shares the same feelings here. :)


The best advice yet man, don't take it for nothing.

Alright man. If you aren't going to listen to my advice, I'll tell you straight up, the truth. We are the same guy.

All girls are hoes waiting to take advantage of quality guys like us. They tell us that we aren't supportive or that we're too cocky, but that's what makes us, well... us. I told you that I haven't found a girlfriend in college yet, but that does not mean I haven't gotten any action. I am a really good looking young stallion so I can get "action", but it's closing the deal that is difficult. After spending some time with me girls tend to not call back. I'm a catch and all girls are like that. It's never you man, its always the girls.

So here's what to do. Ask your parents for an advance on your allowance, you're going to need about $1500. Buy some nice clothes and get some shoes that are flashy, don't forget the cologne and keep the price tag on everything. After all that, you should have money left for you to take this girl on a date, but try to make her offer to pay it though, since you did blow your allowance on clothes and other various accessories.

If she lives close enough to you just drop her off, but if she lives in the opposite direction or even too far, just call her a cab (if she paid for the meal). Then text her and talk about what you did for her and she should appreciate all the things you did. She'll be telling her friends all about you later that night about how such a great guy you are, how stunning you look and how "swagged" out you are. And she will be yours. Just remember, girls are like tissues, they're disposable, just like your infinite income... but keep them for too long, they wear and tear.

Just remember, if you ever want to break up and you know you'll see her at work. Just tell your coworkers a dirty secret and she should keep her mouth shut. ;) It works.

So good luck hunting for that doe.


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ChefMacDaddy, are you in this picture? You sound dreamy.

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No... I don't wear cheap Hollister and American Eagle clothes, not to mention trucker hats or worn out jeans. Yuck. I only rock the best.
 
OP was offered advice last summer and last fall. Don't waste your breath folks.

June 6: "Advice about a girl"
https://forums.macrumors.com/threads/1164579/

October 20: "How to go from girl-friend to girlfriend ?"
https://forums.macrumors.com/threads/1259021/

Jan 1: "21 and never had a girlfriend. What am I doing wrong?"

Well I should start with a bit of background. I'm 21 year old guy, look quite good, work out a lot, have great friends and a good job. However I have never been in a realationship or even a date.
During school I didn't really feel like I wanted to have a girlfriend so didnt really do anything about it. In the past two years things have changed. I really want someone. I'm not looking for a ****** buddy. I want a realationship with someone I can care for and that will care for me. Over the past two years, I had 3 oppertutines that I gunned down because the girls in question were far from my type.
One of the main problems is that I'm not in the party scene. It seems most of my friends met their girlfriends at parties. Also I don't use Facebook.
I do many activities and go out to restaurants, movies and sports with friends at every opportunity but I didn't meet anyone.
At my current job there is a girl I am crazy over. She is exactly my type. No, in fact she is even better than that. We share an office at work. We arrived at the same time, about a year ago. I instantly fell for her. She was single at the time and she likes me (both then and now). Unfortunatly I didn't make a move and 3 months later she met someone and has been with him in a good realationship since. About 8 months. In 5 weeks time my contract is up and I will be moving to a different company. I now she likes me. I really don't know if I should say something . I fear that over time we won't keep in touch and this might be my last chance. Should I tell her something or keep my feelings for myself and try to find someonelse? She is absolute perfection. I would do anything for her.
I honestly think I shouldn't say anything. She seems to be happy and it would probably get awkward. There are many smart people on this site and I would enjoy reading your opinions.
If you think it is best to leave her alone, what can and should I do to try and meet a quality girl?
Despite never having a girlfriend, sex is the last thig I'm looking for. All I want is someone I can love and a proper realationship.
Thanks in advance to everyone who read my post and took the time to comment.

His October post for reference:

So I need some advice regarding my situation right now.
A new girl was transferred to my department at work about six months ago.
About one month after she arrived she we started flirting a bit on email at work. This went on for a while. After that she really started to look after me. On busy days I would usually skip lunch and stay on until really late if necessary. She would literally force me to take a break and join her (and a group of other friends) for lunch. Also she constantly made sure I didn't stay late to often.

To be honest, at first I liked her, but just as a friend. However lately I have really fallen for her. She transferred out of my department a few days ago as she has finished her project.

Over the last month or so we have been texting quite often (maybe 3 times a week). Since she left though it has become all day everyday. Most of the time she is the one to start the conversation and I always keep it going.

We have been out together a few times but it's always with a group of friends from work. Never one on one.

I know for sure that she likes me but I don't know if she likes me as a friend or a boyfriend.

My problem is if a confess that I like her and things don't work out I will be really screwed. Most of our friends are common friends. Even tough I wouldn't need to face her, her best friends share an office with me and she tells them everything. I would feel really uncomfortable everyday and many of my other friendships could get damaged.

I could not do anything now, and wait a little. In 4 months time I will also be transferred and then I wouldn't need to face embarrassment if things don't work as I hope.

What do you think? Should I tell her now? Should I wait? Is it to soon to tell her considering we have never actually gone out just the two of us?
 
Well I should start with a bit of background. I'm 21 year old guy, look quite good, work out a lot, have great friends and a good job. However I have never been in a realationship or even a date.
During school I didn't really feel like I wanted to have a girlfriend so didnt really do anything about it. In the past two years things have changed. I really want someone. I'm not looking for a ****** buddy. I want a realationship with someone I can care for and that will care for me. Over the past two years, I had 3 oppertutines that I gunned down because the girls in question were far from my type.
One of the main problems is that I'm not in the party scene. It seems most of my friends met their girlfriends at parties. Also I don't use Facebook.
I do many activities and go out to restaurants, movies and sports with friends at every opportunity but I didn't meet anyone.
At my current job there is a girl I am crazy over. She is exactly my type. No, in fact she is even better than that. We share an office at work. We arrived at the same time, about a year ago. I instantly fell for her. She was single at the time and she likes me (both then and now). Unfortunatly I didn't make a move and 3 months later she met someone and has been with him in a good realationship since. About 8 months. In 5 weeks time my contract is up and I will be moving to a different company. I now she likes me. I really don't know if I should say something . I fear that over time we won't keep in touch and this might be my last chance. Should I tell her something or keep my feelings for myself and try to find someonelse? She is absolute perfection. I would do anything for her.
I honestly think I shouldn't say anything. She seems to be happy and it would probably get awkward. There are many smart people on this site and I would enjoy reading your opinions.
If you think it is best to leave her alone, what can and should I do to try and meet a quality girl?
Despite never having a girlfriend, sex is the last thig I'm looking for. All I want is someone I can love and a proper realationship.
Thanks in advance to everyone who read my post and took the time to comment.

I was in a similar situation. I hadn't had a girlfriend, though I had dated a few girls I was interested in. I think the problem was that those girls never saw what I would have been like in a relationship. My best advice: find a way to show her.

Go out for coffee/food, but don't pay unless you think she expects it. If it doesn't feel like a date, she is more likely to continue spending time with you. That said, if she spends any time with you privately, even at work, you probably have a better chance than you think. She does that with the risk of causing problems in her current relationship.

Don't tell her how you feel yet, though you can suggest you consider her a friend and you'll miss her when you're done your contract. You need that friendship before you can have any real relationship anyway. If there is a question about how you feel, she'll think about you more, which is what you need.

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Two more things:

1. Be yourself. If she doesn't like the real you, you don't have a chance in the long term anyway. If she thinks you're hiding something, she won't trust you.

2. Realize that you don't know whether she's the one for you. Even if you end up in a relationship with her, it takes time to figure that out. If a girl thinks you care for her more than she cares for you, she'll say "no" immediately because she thinks anything else would be leading you on. Realizing you don't know might also remove some stress for the situation.

There were a few girls I was crazy about when I was your age that I still spend time with now. They're great friends, but they don't compare to my wife.

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PS: I agree about not being "that guy", though maybe not in the same way as the other poster. Don't go past friendship while she's with her boyfriend. If she likes you, she may break things off with him. If he's good to/for her, she'll let you know she doesn't want to jeopardize the relationship by spending time with you. Worst case scenario, you can always tell her you like her, that you want to try, that you respect that she's in a relationship, but that you want her to know how you feel just in case she feels the same way.
 
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Meh. I live in Bristol in the UK and went to Cardiff to meet a girl last October.

We felt like we had something before we met but when we met it was totally different.

Ahh well.

We talked to each other about wanting a relationship and we said we'd add each other on Facebook in the Apple store when we go there and meet up, but once that didn't happen... I just didn't feel the same with her than before if that makes sense?

I felt like she lied to me online.

Better to regret what you have done than what you haven't?

If there's one thing I hate, it's thinking "What could have been"

Cheers
 
Sex is an important consideration. If you want to wait until you're married, that's great, but you need to be sure you're on the same page as her. If she's having sex now and thinks you're indifferent, you don't have a chance. You need to find someone who wants the same things you want when it comes to sex.
 
Alright man. If you aren't going to listen to my advice, I'll tell you straight up, the truth. We are the same guy.

All girls are hoes waiting to take advantage of quality guys like us. They tell us that we aren't supportive or that we're too cocky, but that's what makes us, well... us. I told you that I haven't found a girlfriend in college yet, but that does not mean I haven't gotten any action. I am a really good looking young stallion so I can get "action", but it's closing the deal that is difficult. After spending some time with me girls tend to not call back. I'm a catch and all girls are like that. It's never you man, its always the girls.

So here's what to do. Ask your parents for an advance on your allowance, you're going to need about $1500. Buy some nice clothes and get some shoes that are flashy, don't forget the cologne and keep the price tag on everything. After all that, you should have money left for you to take this girl on a date, but try to make her offer to pay it though, since you did blow your allowance on clothes and other various accessories.

If she lives close enough to you just drop her off, but if she lives in the opposite direction or even too far, just call her a cab (if she paid for the meal). Then text her and talk about what you did for her and she should appreciate all the things you did. She'll be telling her friends all about you later that night about how such a great guy you are, how stunning you look and how "swagged" out you are. And she will be yours. Just remember, girls are like tissues, they're disposable, just like your infinite income... but keep them for too long, they wear and tear.

Just remember, if you ever want to break up and you know you'll see her at work. Just tell your coworkers a dirty secret and she should keep her mouth shut. ;) It works.

So good luck hunting for that doe.


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No... I don't wear cheap Hollister and American Eagle clothes, not to mention trucker hats or worn out jeans. Yuck. I only rock the best.

Wow. Just like school on Saturday. (or an excellent troll, tough call.)
 
Wow. Just like school on Saturday. (or an excellent troll, tough call.)

Maybe your sending off gay signals? Just a thought. Seriously mate,just be yourself,when the right chick comes along she will like you for who you are,not who you pretend to be,she will come along and never ever be scared to start up the conversation or ask them out,it's what all blokes must do at one stage in life,pluck up the nutz to ask...hard but otherwise you'll live a life of maybes and coulda beans,,good luck,you'll get there mate,,don't give up.
 
Maybe your sending off gay signals? Just a thought. Seriously mate,just be yourself,when the right chick comes along she will like you for who you are,not who you pretend to be,she will come along and never ever be scared to start up the conversation or ask them out,it's what all blokes must do at one stage in life,pluck up the nutz to ask...hard but otherwise you'll live a life of maybes and coulda beans,,good luck,you'll get there mate,,don't give up.

I didn't start the thread but I am a little gay. ( o )( o )
 
You've made many claims here about yourself. Post a pic. You can brag easily on line. Man up.

Not everybody has a porn star body like you have. I seriously wonder how you find time to maintain that tight little figure in between all the political activism you do. :)
 
`Buy a ship, name it Relation. You now have a relationship.

Not everybody has a porn star body like you have. I seriously wonder how you find time to maintain that tight little figure in between all the political activism you do. :)

Sex, lots of it. :p

He plays hockey and I also assume he works out. It doesn't take much really, a good workout at a Gym shouldn't take more than an hour. I replaced my TV time with Gym time. Eating right also helps.
 
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