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24, Day 6

aloofman said:
But still, after going through all the trouble to get the component, why would he trust Philip enough to give it back to him? Even if they were both getting on the sub and planning to go together, I don't see why he'd trust Philip with it.
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Chang wanted to make sure the Chinese would get the component even if Jack captured him. Additionally, he knew that Philip would need the component or the Chinese wouldn't let him on the sub. He had no reason not to trust Philip, because the sub was Philip's only way out of the situation and only way to get to China to start his new life.
 
zioxide said:
Chang wanted to make sure the Chinese would get the component even if Jack captured him. Additionally, he knew that Philip would need the component or the Chinese wouldn't let him on the sub. He had no reason not to trust Philip, because the sub was Philip's only way out of the situation and only way to get to China to start his new life.
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Since they're both isolated on an offshore oil platform and dependent on the Chinese sub to escape, I don't see how Chang is more likely to be captured than Philip. Considering how underhanded Philip had proven himself to be, it seems smarter to keep it himself or hand it to another of his men instead.
 
Was anyone else going to predict exactly what was going to happen in yesterdays 2 episodes? I found it not too great and I feel like the season isn't done because of the amount of unanswered questions. The season started off great but finished poorly. Let's hope next season is better :)
 
Let me give you my take on this whole thing.

The "plot holes" that everyone is talking about were left that way intentionally by the writers to give you something to talk about. Something to ponder until next season. They always leave little things unsolved at the finale. Remember everyone wondering whether or not Christopher Henderson was really killed?

I understand that you may not consider the circuit board a little thing, but in reality, it is. That was a storyline fetched out of no where because the writers had no idea what was going on with the season. The show took a serious turn around hour 17ish. It tried going back to its roots with making the show about Jack again and his personal vendetta.

I don't think next season will have anything at all to do with this season, except for the last 5 minutes. Those were so crucial to the development of Jacks character, especially considering where he was at the begining of the season. As Sutherland himself said, at the start of the season Jack Bauer was "indifferent" to everything. This has shown that he has come back to reality. He can not live the life he wants with his career. However, he can not live his life without his career. Ala Heller saying "You tried walking away from it before".

I loved Jack yelling at Heller and showing how fed up he was by the Governments treatment of its people. He himself was becoming a product of such behavior, like when he has to make decisions for the better of the country (killing Curtis).

That whole last scene was Emmy worthy for Sutherland. He showed how screwed up and lost Jack Bauer really is. And how about the line "If you send someone after us, I'll kill them. I'm pretty good at doing that too."

Jack walking over to the cliff with his gun was the cliffhanger for this season. Literally, considering he looked over the cliff. But, creatively, the cliffhanger here is what will Jack do next. Will he take his life, will he stop doing this job, will he disappear, etc, etc.

I really liked it. I think it was the best possible finale for a season that was generally weak. In fairness though, my only problem with this season was that up until hour 17 or so, as I said before, the show was going no where. Jack Bauer felt like a guest star on his own show. But people are forgetting we saw buses blow up, Jack kick a guy threw a subway door, a nuclear bomb went off killing 12,000 people, more attacks, Curtis' death, Palmers assassination attempt, and so on.

People wanted something big to go down in the end, but really, the writers have now ridden themselves of this season. They no longer need to go back to it considering all the MAJOR events have been tied up. No more Chinese thank god. They are starting fresh next year, like a new series.

Oh, by the way, more evidence of the writers trying to screw with everyone: the zoom in of the chinese secret service guard when Karen Hayes left her holding room.
 
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My comcast-provided DVR crapped out on me this afternoon. Unfortunately, this means that my wife has not been able to see the finale. If any of you have it recorded, can you encode it and post it someplace so that she can see it?

PM me a link and I will let you know when I have downloaded it.

Hickman
 
mrzeve said:
The "plot holes" that everyone is talking about were left that way intentionally by the writers to give you something to talk about. Something to ponder until next season. They always leave little things unsolved at the finale. Remember everyone wondering whether or not Christopher Henderson was really killed?
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Actually, by "plot holes" I meant inconsistencies and gaps in logic or continuity, not things that were merely unexplained, but you make a good point.

mrzeve said:
I loved Jack yelling at Heller and showing how fed up he was by the Governments treatment of its people. He himself was becoming a product of such behavior, like when he has to make decisions for the better of the country (killing Curtis).

That whole last scene was Emmy worthy for Sutherland. He showed how screwed up and lost Jack Bauer really is. And how about the line "If you send someone after us, I'll kill them. I'm pretty good at doing that too."
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I agree. This was easily the highlight of the episode. It makes sense that he would want to get Audrey away from all that craziness and retreat from the world that had trapped him. And it also makes sense that he would then realize that it wouldn't be the best thing for her, only for himself. And Heller's frustration and empathy were both very consistent with everything that's happened so far.

It wasn't the finale that was disappointing, just the season that set it up. Actually there are a few things left that could be held over to next time. His sister-in-law and nephew are still around, so that's a couple of family members that might need saving. And now there's Chloe's baby. :p
 
I liked the ending just fine. And yes, Sutherland's performance when he was telling Heller off is indeed emmy worthy. He is one very angry, lonely man and he is indeed at a crossroads. I wouldn't want him mad at me. Would you?

Lots of threads here. Audrey being pregnant, (like that will stop her?) Cheng's statement that his people will not abandon him, the fate of Wayne Palmer, and of course, what will happen now at CTU. All good stuff.

Looking forward to next season. :D
 
Once we find out who Nadia is going to date next season we will know who will get killed.:p

It really wasn't much of a cliff hanger, Jack will not die off camera, When Jack dies everyone will know it because it will be the biggest death scene in the history of television.

I don't care about Wayne Palmer I still want to know what happened to Charles Logan.
 
mrzeve said:
I really liked it. I think it was the best possible finale for a season that was generally weak.
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I think the finale was representative a of a series that was really weak. You knew what would happen, you knew what the characters were going to say before they said it, you know the loose ends are there but will probably not be capitalised on. As a show in its sixth season, people over analyse and try to make stuff cleverer than it actually is.

This season shot its load with a nuke going off in the fifth episode and it's going to take a really good season next year to bring its credibility – and thus watchability – back to the level of the past seasons. Based on this finale they're going to have a lot of work to do between now and next January.
 
So now that day 6 is over and we have all had time to process the season are there any thoughts as to what happens next year.
 
MacNut said:
So now that day 6 is over and we have all had time to process the season are there any thoughts as to what happens next year.
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Jack, after having a long period of relative peace and normalcy working some manual labor job, is pulled into working with CTU on some immediate threat possibly by choice but more likely kicking and screaming. He will disobey orders from his superiors every other hour or so and be ordered into CTU custody at least twice in the course of the day. Every time he goes "rogue" it will have been the right decision and will ultimately lead to the major threat being averted.

At least once during the day an hour will be spent pursuing someone who is not in charge of the operation, either a minion or someone designed to throw investigators off the trail.
 
That sounds familiar, I do think the show will see a major plot change next year. The formula the past 6 years is getting played out.

The problem with the show is that every episode there is a wrap up in the plot, its like they make each episode end to cleanly with no real conflict. You always know that within the last 5 minutes something will get resolved before next week.
 
MacNut said:
That sounds familiar, I do think the show will see a major plot change next year. The formula the past 6 years is getting played out.

The problem with the show is that every episode there is a wrap up in the plot, its like they make each episode end to cleanly with no real conflict. You always know that within the last 5 minutes something will get resolved before next week.
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I'm not sure I expect a major deviation from the formula. I can see things as brilliant as a different CTU location happening. A backdrop with some ongoing conflict with China that came about as a result of Day 6.

As a completely contradictory story line we could see Jack finally snap and start taking on CTU or forming his own mercenary force outside of the bonds of CTU/US government. Possibly working outside of the US to uncover/thwart plots before they end up in LA or DC (after all, those are the only two places in the US that are going to be targeted by terrorist, right?).
 
Too many unanswered questions:

•Earlier in the day, Philip could've killed jack, but instead left Logan's number to help Jack find Gredenko. Why did he help Jack?
•What happened with Martha, Charles and Aaron Pierce?
•What happened with Milo's brother? Didn't Nadia say she'd by right back and then just leave? :p
•What ever happened to those two guys that setup the bomb to kill the president, but killed Assad?

I don't mind not knowing what happens with Audrey, Wayne or Cheng because we'll find all that out next season.
 
iEdd said:
Too many unanswered questions:

•Earlier in the day, Philip could've killed jack, but instead left Logan's number to help Jack find Gredenko. Why did he help Jack?
•What happened with Martha, Charles and Aaron Pierce?
•What happened with Milo's brother? Didn't Nadia say she'd by right back and then just leave? :p
•What ever happened to those two guys that setup the bomb to kill the president, but killed Assad?

I don't mind not knowing what happens with Audrey, Wayne or Cheng because we'll find all that out next season.
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The two guys are being interrogated by the dept of justice. Reed gave up the Karen Hayes / Bill which was the driving force behind bill getting fired, i'd say that storyline was rapped up there, and even them just getting arrested was enough closure.

Maybe Milo's brother went to escort out the body, and then mourn the loss of his brother. I think the idea of that scene was that Nadia was more focused on the mission than her personal relationship with Milo.

I don't really understand the motives behidn the whole phillip/ jack thing, but my guess is that it moved the plot along ,and thats the only logical reasoning you will find.
 
Thanks, I forgot about some of that.

Also, maybe Philip helped Jack out to try and give him something more important to do than look for him.
 
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