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Every feature could likely be deemed as useful to someone. Not all of the features are useful for everyone though.
 
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And "Merge Folders" i cant find it!
 
i'm not sure what we're arguing over. my point was that people could just as validly dislike some of the changes as they could validly like them.

Your post has been edited now, but we're arguing over this:

c'mon are you 12? is your dad better than all the other dads? there is some stuff that i like, but there are plenty of things that could irk people. for example:

Unnecessary, you were both making essentially the same point! And then to top it off, being a hypocrite :p
 
The ability to capture an image of your signature using the iSight camera and place it in a document using Preview is pretty freaking awesome.
 
Your post has been edited now, but we're arguing over this:



Unnecessary, you were both making essentially the same point! And then to top it off, being a hypocrite :p

yeah apparently i got raked over the coals for that one, but i was (admittedly poorly) trying to construct an analogy. my point was that it is like the stereotypical debate kids will have on the school yard about who has the best dad, and get angry/offended when a different kid claims his dad is the best.

i'm not denying that people will like certain features (just like we all hopefully like our own dads!) but the whole "i think its the best, and if you disagree you're mean and wrong" just rubs me the wrong way.

for the record i think it would be equally immature to say "i dislike feature 'x', and if you do like it then you're stupid". my argument all along was that people can like or dislike a feature, but speaking in brash absolutes is meaningless.

Branskins original statement was "Name me one feature that someone would not find useful" which felt like a goading challenge for people to present opposing opinions (not absolutes). but then later he says "saying something is not useful can be insensitive to those that do find it useful." Now how could anyone possibly respond to his initial invitation without by default offending him according to his second statement?

anyway, if you looked at my post, you'd see i said from the start that there are reasons why people *could* dislike various features, but i never, ever said they were reasons why everyone *had* to dislike them. but whatever, if people are determined to take the easy route and dismiss what i'm saying as some sort of trolling then i guess there isn't much i can do. sorry you aren't understanding me and sorry if my opposing viewpoints offended. cheers.
 
Branskins original statement was "Name me one feature that someone would not find useful" which felt like a goading challenge for people to present opposing opinions (not absolutes). but then later he says "saying something is not useful can be insensitive to those that do find it useful." Now how could anyone possibly respond to his initial invitation without by default offending him according to his second statement?

I can assure you I would not be offended, but it could be insensitive to others. For example, if someone said "Launchpad is the most useless crap on the earth" and someone who happens to like launchpad comes across that, it might rub them the wrong way.

My point was to show usefulness is in the hands of the user. Asking whether something is useful or not is difficult if not impossible when it comes to software. It is easy for me or you to hate something completely but equally as easy for someone else to love it.

I did not try to provoke anyone or start anything, I just wanted to point what one may find useless may be extremely useful to someone else.
 
This is fairly awesome although it DID take a while to get a shot that was useable...:D

I eventually used a Sharpie on a blank sheet of printer paper. It actually turned out really nice. I've already used this probably 20 times. Thankfully you don't have to capture a new signature every time. Saving multiple signatures is nice as well.
 
I can assure you I would not be offended, but it could be insensitive to others. For example, if someone said "Launchpad is the most useless crap on the earth" and someone who happens to like launchpad comes across that, it might rub them the wrong way.

My point was to show usefulness is in the hands of the user. Asking whether something is useful or not is difficult if not impossible when it comes to software. It is easy for me or you to hate something completely but equally as easy for someone else to love it.

I did not try to provoke anyone or start anything, I just wanted to point what one may find useless may be extremely useful to someone else.

then there has been crossed telephone wires all along, as thats been the exact same point i've been trying to make too. i took your statement to mean that you didn't think anyone could possibly be displeased with the features, and i was providing counter examples to that assertion. after all, if it is insensitive to say a feature someone likes is dumb/worthless/etc, the converse is also true: saying a new feature is just fine when it has replaced or ruined a previous feature that that someone depended on can also be seen as insensitive.

anyway, if that was a misreading of your original statement, i apologize, especially for snarkiness!

for the record, don't hate any of the features in lion. but i do think some won't be personally useful to me (launchpad), and i think others need work to realize their potential.

in the particular case of mission control, lions method of grouping app windows can easily obscure the specific window you might be looking for. you can make a peek gesture on the trackpad to spread them out a bit, but thats still an extra step over what existed before - and there is no mouse equivalent that i know of. using a mouse, you literally have to mission control to your app, then in a completely separate action, app expose to your particular window.

thats a big hit to efficiency that is an unavoidable consequence to adopting lion. as a result, it is fair discussion to consider whether lion is a worthwhile upgrade for certain users. (overall i like enough of what it offers to deal with the quirks, but i also got it as a free update since i just bought a new system)
 
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