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27" iMac Video Input With Xbox 360?
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Apologies - I completely misread the post - I glanced at it in a rush and assumed it was about the Gefen adaptor. I have Windows 7 64 Bit bootcamp installed (I actually write MS software for a living so I have MSDN).
I wasn't aware that Target Display Mode worked in Windows - I will give it a try.
I posted another message in here about Blu Ray playback on Windows 7 and HDCP issues - anyone know anything about that?
UPDATE - I got the Blu Ray playback to work by downgrading ATI drivers to 9.7 from 9.11. Somebody suggested the 9.11 drivers were not 'certified' but I have no idea...
I wasn't aware that Target Display Mode worked in Windows - I will give it a try.
I posted another message in here about Blu Ray playback on Windows 7 and HDCP issues - anyone know anything about that?
UPDATE - I got the Blu Ray playback to work by downgrading ATI drivers to 9.7 from 9.11. Somebody suggested the 9.11 drivers were not 'certified' but I have no idea...
Morning,
I got a email from Atlona today. I dont think its fair to repost the message as it was a personal email, but the gist is that everything is *probably* on track for a end of the week update. They worked over the weekend and identified some/all of the issues and they are working on a fix now. They have not tried a XBOX 360 directly, but they can display a 'test' input 1920*1080 signal through to the iMac so it should be fine. They have assured me they will try a XBOX 360 very soon.
I have suggested to them that they update their website to remove the line about a scaler being required (for a iMac at least) and that they should have videos etc showing a PS3/XBOX/AppleTV being plugged into the iMac.
They actually seem like a really good, proactive, company. The emails I am getting really encourage me they will fix this issue soon.
As for what I am going to do... I am going to stall for a day or 2 then see! I trust Atlona will fix the issue, but my rights as a consumer with the shop I bought it from will lapse so I have to balance those 2.
I got a email from Atlona today. I dont think its fair to repost the message as it was a personal email, but the gist is that everything is *probably* on track for a end of the week update. They worked over the weekend and identified some/all of the issues and they are working on a fix now. They have not tried a XBOX 360 directly, but they can display a 'test' input 1920*1080 signal through to the iMac so it should be fine. They have assured me they will try a XBOX 360 very soon.
I have suggested to them that they update their website to remove the line about a scaler being required (for a iMac at least) and that they should have videos etc showing a PS3/XBOX/AppleTV being plugged into the iMac.
They actually seem like a really good, proactive, company. The emails I am getting really encourage me they will fix this issue soon.
As for what I am going to do... I am going to stall for a day or 2 then see! I trust Atlona will fix the issue, but my rights as a consumer with the shop I bought it from will lapse so I have to balance those 2.
Eventually, Yes
RealEvil, sounds very nice. I guess they're also going to air a video of the atlona in work ( maybe with an xbox or ps3 ) when they fixed this problem so everybody can see for itself.What a community is capable of, well offcourse also through the courage of RealEvil to spend money on something that's not sure. We're all lucky that Atlona is willing to work along with their customers.
I still can't wait to turn my iMac on and play some games on my xbox on the display of the iMac
Based on my emails with them, i agree 100%. From what i understand, it is not a huge company like belkin so when you talk to someone about an issue, it doesnt take much for it to reach actual decision making people which is why they are able to work on an issue so quickly after it is brought to their attention.
After Atlona, Gefen and (maybe) Belkin, now also Apogee joins the game:
http://www.electronista.com/articles/09/12/15/apogee.teases.hdmi.to.mini.displayport.link/
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sbpvZQvSbOM
http://www.electronista.com/articles/09/12/15/apogee.teases.hdmi.to.mini.displayport.link/
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sbpvZQvSbOM
^ I see you didn't bother to check the post above yours that was 40+ minutes prior.
Anyway, I wonder if this is simply a cable or a box like the Atlona posted in this thread.
Any ideas if it passes the audio through as well to then allow the iMac to output via a Toslink adapter? Or would you need to send the audio out over devices original channels? For Xbox that would mean getting the audio adapter in addition to a HDMI cable.
Anyway, I wonder if this is simply a cable or a box like the Atlona posted in this thread.
Any ideas if it passes the audio through as well to then allow the iMac to output via a Toslink adapter? Or would you need to send the audio out over devices original channels? For Xbox that would mean getting the audio adapter in addition to a HDMI cable.
I remember an article EndGadget did a while ago, might have been Gizmodo. But I remember them stating the MDP in the iMac can carry audio
Bad news everybody, Atlona just sent me this (its a snippet from a larger email):
We were able to talk to production engineers at Apple and they gave us an EDID file which come out from the iMac 27 and here are the resolutions which are listed in that file: VGA, 720p and 2560x1440, which means that when you connect a PS3 or Xbox 360 or any other HDMI device the monitor will report back to the source that it has no native support for 1920x1080. Even though it shows a bunch more resolutions on your computer, but those are the resolutions that computer (video card) can scale to not the resolutions iMac accepts natively.
The above means that Xbox or PS3 will only work with 720 though the DP200 because DP200 has no built-in scaler, we are building one with the scaler AT-HDP620, should be available by the end of January.
The new firmware will fix the 1920x1080 and all the other resolutions; however it will still not work for the reason above. Sorry, we just learned this ourselves.
Ah well, its all over. Refund here I come. Maybe when the HDP620 is out I will think again but thats officially the end of my interest in this now.
We were able to talk to production engineers at Apple and they gave us an EDID file which come out from the iMac 27 and here are the resolutions which are listed in that file: VGA, 720p and 2560x1440, which means that when you connect a PS3 or Xbox 360 or any other HDMI device the monitor will report back to the source that it has no native support for 1920x1080. Even though it shows a bunch more resolutions on your computer, but those are the resolutions that computer (video card) can scale to not the resolutions iMac accepts natively.
The above means that Xbox or PS3 will only work with 720 though the DP200 because DP200 has no built-in scaler, we are building one with the scaler AT-HDP620, should be available by the end of January.
The new firmware will fix the 1920x1080 and all the other resolutions; however it will still not work for the reason above. Sorry, we just learned this ourselves.
Ah well, its all over. Refund here I come. Maybe when the HDP620 is out I will think again but thats officially the end of my interest in this now.
Damn,
So the Belkin guy did know what he was talking about then.
What baffles me is how a scaler will work without producing lag, and how it'll work at all if the iMac can't accept a resolution higher than 720p. What also baffles me is if restriction came from a 'file', why can't this file be updated?
Also weird that they say the firmware will be updated when it probably wasn't even faulty in the first place? I mean if it was, what were the chances of that?
So the Belkin guy did know what he was talking about then.
What baffles me is how a scaler will work without producing lag, and how it'll work at all if the iMac can't accept a resolution higher than 720p. What also baffles me is if restriction came from a 'file', why can't this file be updated?
Also weird that they say the firmware will be updated when it probably wasn't even faulty in the first place? I mean if it was, what were the chances of that?
Right.......
I don't understand? That was blatantly not pixelated... What's going on?
Were you being serious or sarcastic?
Maybe it's only running at 720p? Maybe their solution is to run some special software?
I was being serious.
It wasn't 720p because at one point the camera zoomed into the iMac, and if you look at some pictures provided by RealEvil you'd see the pixels are very noticeable at a close distance.
They probably have a built in scaler. What I don't understand is why a scaler will make any real-term difference to the resolution. I was under the impression it just doubles/triples/quadruples up the current pixels, which the iMac seems to do automatically (i.e. it takes 720p and scales it to 1440p, but that doesn't stop it from being pixelated).
So I'm confused by Atlona's response and that video...
Sacha
It wasn't 720p because at one point the camera zoomed into the iMac, and if you look at some pictures provided by RealEvil you'd see the pixels are very noticeable at a close distance.
They probably have a built in scaler. What I don't understand is why a scaler will make any real-term difference to the resolution. I was under the impression it just doubles/triples/quadruples up the current pixels, which the iMac seems to do automatically (i.e. it takes 720p and scales it to 1440p, but that doesn't stop it from being pixelated).
So I'm confused by Atlona's response and that video...
Sacha
so thats settled, to run 1080P you need a scaler.
at least now they have a name for the "all in one" product that should work.
I wonder if the apogee unit runs at 720p or 1080p... and without lag...
I wont setting for anything less then 1080p and NO lag.
Are you telling me that we need a scaler just to override stupid and misleading EDID information coming from the iMac to the x360?
(and not to """"SCALE"""" anything at all, whereas with the Apple Cinema Display LED there was ACTUALLY a scaling 1920x1080 ----> 1920x1200)
Can't they make a "fake EDID" firmware for the DP200?
(and not to """"SCALE"""" anything at all, whereas with the Apple Cinema Display LED there was ACTUALLY a scaling 1920x1080 ----> 1920x1200)
Can't they make a "fake EDID" firmware for the DP200?
Are you telling me that we need a scaler just to override stupid and misleading EDID information coming from the iMac to the x360?
(and not to """"SCALE"""" anything at all, whereas with the Apple Cinema Display LED there was ACTUALLY a scaling 1920x1080 ----> 1920x1200)
Can't they make a "fake EDID" firmware for the DP200?
sounds like it to me... i cant stand apple's way of doing things!!!! Think about all the issues that would be solved if they just included a freaking hdmi port... but nooooooo they have to be different and trendy with their mini displayport.
i think calling it a cable is quite an understatement... its probably going to be very similar to the dp200.