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I do actually think they're right though. The signal of HDMI and Mini DisplayPort differ greatly and so a powered converter, such as this, is needed to convert the signal. It's ok the other way round because the graphics card in your mac can output the HDMI/DVI signal needed.

What's double bad is that the Atlona convertor is very expensive and does not sell anywhere in the UK :(
 
For all of you asking you can convert DVI (and therefore I think) to Mini Display Port. It just requires an ugly-ass box of tricks like this. Shame it costs $180.

Edit to add: beaten to it by one post!
 
Well i guess we will know soon enough as people are buying them already. I understand they have hit UK Apple stores (non icore 27" at least)
 
Gefen just released a slightly less ugly-ass adaptor than the Atlona one. You will be stuck driving the display at non-native 1920x1200.

Given the differences in signaling, unless Apple put in some special hardware in the 27" iMac (and didn't advertise it), you're not going to be able to just hook up a non-DP source and have it work despite having cables that fit.

Here's an informative series of blog posts from a company working on a solution for the 24" Cinema Display. Baring the unadvertised special hardware I referenced above, this will apply for the 27" iMac too.
 
True. Unfortunately (or fortunately, depending on how one looks at it), DP-based monitors don't need as much hardware as non-DP-based monitors. The DP protocol eliminates the need for certain circuitry that's required in DVI-based monitors. Unless Apple included it (adding to expense and size), you just won't be able to drive a DP-based panel with DVI or HDMI (which also adds a licensing expense) without a converter.
 
Why? I agree her responses were a bit robotic, but I believe she gave accurate information, unlike a lot of the bunk swirling about the past day.
 
She said "minidisplay port to minidisplayport" 82 times in 12 sentences, cracked me up :)
 
I want to know as well... but guessing it will be impossible that apple being so kind.

Anyway 27" Imac ordered.. We will see...
 
After reading on here and doing a crap load of research it sounds like its going to be just like the apple cinema display... Like ppl have said you will need this converter = (http://www.atlona.com/Atlona-DVI-to-Mini-DisplayPort-Converter-p-17859.html) ... in my case i have a hdmi-to-dvi cable for my 360 so it will work out ok... the next question is i know i can go from the 360 to my logitech speakers just fine but can i go toslink from 360 to the imac and then just hook my logitechs to it so there is no switching involved at all?
 
I think the reason nobody could hook up ps3 to an apple cinema display, is because there is no actual mini displayport to plug into on the cinema screen, the displayport is hardwired and hanging out of the cinema screen, you are just stuck with the male end of a mini display port with no adapter out there that has a female mini displayport to female hdmi, and thats why you need to buy the expensive converter. In the new iMacs case all you need to do is get an hdmi to minidisplay port cable, and plug it in, i dont see why you need anything else. This is a big big plus for me, as i have been in the market for a small tv for my room for HD gaming, and need a new computer...so if this can do both (obviously it can do the computer part) then i am a happy happy man.

No.

DisplayPort is a packet-based protocol that is not at all related to VGA and DVI.

DVI and HDMI still send "lines" of content for a screen over the wire, much like a cathode ray tube would draw them; it's just the signal that is fully digital unlike with VGA.

DisplayPort however is different, and basically sends pixels in little packets across the wire. That cuts down on necessary hardware on LCD monitors to do the conversion to a format an LCD panel understands. DisplayPort even supports features like multiple end-points on one physical connection, meaning that you could daisy-chain several monitors to one computer without needing more than one DisplayPort connector on the graphics card.

The reason why the cheap DP-DVI and DP-VGA and DP-HDMI adapters work with current Macs is because the graphics cards have legacy VGA/HDMI signaling hardware on board, where the "old" signal formats are simply transported over DisplayPort connectors, thus requiring only an electrical converter (= little adapter for 20 bucks).

One of the main reasons why DisplayPort was invented was because it could make LVDS, the connection that laptops use internally to connect the graphics card with the display, obsolete. It is extremely likely that the iMac's LCD panel is connected directly via DisplayPort and will not understand any signal other than DisplayPort.

Apple's documentation at the minute only specifically mentions "DisplayPort sources" for input. Unless the iMac's graphics card has input support for DVI/VGA which it then converts to a DisplayPort signal, only DisplayPort inputs will work, no matter what passive adapters you use.

Active converters, however, would do the job, but my guess is that they cause at least some amount of input lag.
 
No.

DisplayPort is a packet-based protocol that is not at all related to VGA and DVI.

DVI and HDMI still send "lines" of content for a screen over the wire, much like a cathode ray tube would draw them; it's just the signal that is fully digital unlike with VGA.

DisplayPort however is different, and basically sends pixels in little packets across the wire. That cuts down on necessary hardware on LCD monitors to do the conversion to a format an LCD panel understands. DisplayPort even supports features like multiple end-points on one physical connection, meaning that you could daisy-chain several monitors to one computer without needing more than one DisplayPort connector on the graphics card.

The reason why the cheap DP-DVI and DP-VGA and DP-HDMI adapters work with current Macs is because the graphics cards have legacy VGA/HDMI signaling hardware on board, where the "old" signal formats are simply transported over DisplayPort connectors, thus requiring only an electrical converter (= little adapter for 20 bucks).

One of the main reasons why DisplayPort was invented was because it could make LVDS, the connection that laptops use internally to connect the graphics card with the display, obsolete. It is extremely likely that the iMac's LCD panel is connected directly via DisplayPort and will not understand any signal other than DisplayPort.

Apple's documentation at the minute only specifically mentions "DisplayPort sources" for input. Unless the iMac's graphics card has input support for DVI/VGA which it then converts to a DisplayPort signal, only DisplayPort inputs will work, no matter what passive adapters you use.

Active converters, however, would do the job, but my guess is that they cause at least some amount of input lag.
Thank you very much for that explanation. That is exactly what I have been trying to say for pages now, but in a much more concise and perhaps less confrontational manner.
 
Apple is touting the fact that you can use other sources in this input and my guess would be that the video card will convert the input into the necessary DP signal.

I'm sure the "required" adapters that haven't been released will be another revenue stream of 20 to 30 bucks for a 25 cent piece of plastic and metal. I just wish someone who has bought a new 27" iMac would just test this feature.
 
Maybe. But Apple is touting the fact that you can hook up other DP-equipped sources to this computer. It seems the approach they're taking with this is as a second display for your MB or MBP, not a hook up your PS3 or Xbox route.
 
Macworld has also posted a Twitter Q&A session that included this question:

Q: So with the option to use the iMac as a monitor, will it take hdmi in? What are the input options? Can you hot switch inputs?—fejling

A: Unfortunately, we can’t test this yet, because you need special adapters that Apple says will be available soon. There is no HDMI in port, so it looks like it’ll be a special HDMI-to-DisplayPort adapter.

http://www.macworld.com/article/143407/2009/10/imacs_oct2009.html?lsrc=top_1

Edit: Jason Snell says Apple executives specifically used DVD players as an example during his briefing.

So, it’s official.

From another thread. Looks like they demo'd it with a DVD Player using the input port. Hopefully the adapter will be available for cheap on Monoprice or another discount cable site rather than having to purchase it from Apple only.
 
This doesn't change the situation at all. You should be able to drive this display with a PS3 or DVD player now with adaptors currently available and linked to several times. Unfortunately, they're all over $150, won't drive the display natively, and may introduce substantial lag.

If Apple is cooking something up, it's probably like this. If it were a simple matter of electrical conversion (like the current MDP to DVI/HDMI adaptors), Apple would likely have these available now. My guess it it will be a signal conversion device and Apple, in fact, didn't build in the necessary conversion and scaling circuitry on the display side or a modified card on the graphics adaptor side.

The delay in releasing these "necessary adaptors" reminds me of when Apple switched to MDP. The simple electrical conversion adaptors were available immediately. The adaptor that required signal conversion, the dual link adaptor, was released later (and I'll add, still doesn't work correctly for some people). I hope I'm wrong.
 
...DisplayPort is a packet-based protocol that is not at all related to VGA and DVI.

DVI and HDMI still send "lines" of content for a screen over the wire, much like a cathode ray tube would draw them; it's just the signal that is fully digital unlike with VGA.

DisplayPort however is different, and basically sends pixels in little packets across the wire. That cuts down on necessary hardware on LCD monitors to do the conversion to a format an LCD panel understands. DisplayPort even supports features like multiple end-points on one physical connection, meaning that you could daisy-chain several monitors to one computer without needing more than one DisplayPort connector on the graphics card.

The reason why the cheap DP-DVI and DP-VGA and DP-HDMI adapters work with current Macs is because the graphics cards have legacy VGA/HDMI signaling hardware on board, where the "old" signal formats are simply transported over DisplayPort connectors, thus requiring only an electrical converter (= little adapter for 20 bucks).

One of the main reasons why DisplayPort was invented was because it could make LVDS, the connection that laptops use internally to connect the graphics card with the display, obsolete. It is extremely likely that the iMac's LCD panel is connected directly via DisplayPort and will not understand any signal other than DisplayPort.

Apple's documentation at the minute only specifically mentions "DisplayPort sources" for input. Unless the iMac's graphics card has input support for DVI/VGA which it then converts to a DisplayPort signal, only DisplayPort inputs will work, no matter what passive adapters you use.

Active converters, however, would do the job, but my guess is that they cause at least some amount of input lag.
Until I read this post and a few others just prior to it on this same page I was about ready to make some rude comments about the rampant technical incompetence that was being voiced in this thread. Thankfully (I hope), Wombert and a few others have finally said something of merit on this issue. Thanks.

In any case, in order for HDMI and DVI sources to work with the iMac's video input Apple will have to supply some form of support for that capability. This could have been done in one of two ways (or a combination of both).

First option, Apple could provide an active video converter that will attach between the HDMI/DVI source and the iMac to convert the HDMI/DVI signals and protocol to DisplayPort. This would be similar to the previously mentioned $150 to $200 (U.S.) converters that a few third-parties are already marketing.

Second, it should be possible for Apple to support a form of HDMI/DVI passthrough into the iMac's video input port as long as Apple has included a switchable video path within the iMac to handle HDMI or DVI. The latter would obviously add some complexity (and cost) to the iMac itself but would make the external adapters less expensive. In the simplest case, this could mean that the external adapter might be little more than a cable that offered an HDMI/DVI plug on one end and a Mini DisplayPort on the other with perhaps some simple circuitry to enable the iMac to determine when it is connected to said adapter.

However, don't confuse this second option with just any third-party cable that offers simple conversion between the physical port types. It's somewhat doubtful that those would work even if Apple had added the necessary HDMI/DVI circuitry within the iMac. If these third-party cables do work then more props to the engineers at Apple.

In any of the above cases, however, you've still got the problem of how to handle the resolution differences between the source device (DVD player, Playstation, etc.) and the native resolution on the iMac's 27" display. None of those devices will output at the 2560 by 1440 pixel resolution that is required for the display. How this can be handled I'm not sure, maybe with hardware scaling in the iMac, or letter-boxing, or with scaling in an external video converter.

Lastly, there are some consumer devices that are being designed with DisplayPort outputs. This means that the demo that was done for MacWorld may have just used a DVD player that offered native DisplayPort output. Thus, until someone can actually test one of these new iMacs with the proper adapters on a variety of devices then I'd say that all bets are off (i.e. HDMI/DVI devices may be supported or they may not).
 
Thanks for all this info.
I think I'll just use my 27" as a computer... and let the Playstation 3 stay under my TV as usual :D
 
curious

Im definitely curious to see how this will work/look.
I hope there is some mod that can be done to the 21.5 to make this possible to use a ps3 with.
 
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Hey everyone.. hope this isnt a double post ( :confused: ) but I found this one on Amazon for about $10 shipped... looks like you plug your PS3 HDMI cable into the dongle, and then to the minidisplay on the 27' iMac....

thoughts ?

http://www.amazon.com/gp/offer-listing/B0021YDRUI/ref=sr_1_olp_1?ie=UTF8&s=electronics&qid=1256221688&sr=8-1

That's for sending video out of a Mini DisplayPort to a HDMI device (like if you want to use your HDTV as a computer monitor). I'm pretty sure it doesn't work the other way around (sending video from a HDMI device to a Mini DisplayPort device).
 
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