2G iPod Nano Introduced

[msjr]

For those who are waiting for their new nanos, an immediate update has been released. I'm not sure what has changed though, possibly a bug fix.

 

[technicolor]

New nanos are absolutely gorgeous! While I am not in the market for one, I think they are a great improvement. I am tempted to get a cheap 2 gig one, but eh...I will save my duckets. I wish the shuffles shipped... I would get my bro one for his bday.🙁

 

[Mitthrawnuruodo]

How would the built-in tuner make the iPod worse? Don't want to use it? Then don't.

Except I would have to pay for the parts and the R&D...

And the iPod would have to be (slightly) bigger to accommodate the extra features... Now, maybe not much for a FM/AM radio, but then what about digital radio...? Or Satellite...? Many places old analogue radio is on its way out... Which radio standards should be supported...?

 

[Evangelion]

Except I would have to pay for the parts and the R&D...

Well, you are already paying for color-screen, video-playback, photo-playback etc. etc. etc.. They seem to be adding features constantly, yet the price does not go up (more or less).

If you wanted a barebones iPod, you would always have the Shuffle

 

[Mitthrawnuruodo]

Well, you are already paying for color-screen, video-playback, photo-playback etc. etc. etc.. They seem to be adding features constantly, yet the price does not go up (more or less).

Well, since I never liked, or considered buying, a "regular" iPod you're only half-right... colour-screen is just normal development, I guess, probably not much more expensive than monochrome ones, in large quantity... video and games are still not available on the nanos, and hopefully won't be for a long long while, so that is for the buyers of the "regulars" to pay... and photo was developed for the regular iPods, and even if I don't really need or want it, it probably was fairly cheap, too... 🙂

If you wanted a barebones iPod, you would always have the Shuffle

I have my mini, and if I'm to replace that (and not just get a new battery when the time comes) it will probably be with one of the new nanos, which - even with the added photo-playback - is still fairy basic... 😉

 

[Chundles]

does anyone know exactly how much thinner the new nanos are? im sure it is just a few centimeters, if not millimeters but i am still curious.

A few centimetres?!? The nano's less than a centimetre thick.

I think it went from 0.65cm to 0.61cm. 6.5mm to 6.1mm

 

[jagolden]

Formatted Capacities

Does anyone know what the formatted capacities are of each (2 gig, 4 gig, 8 gig).

I can't find where I read it, but somewhere it looked like the formatting ate up 600 mb of space - YIKES!

Can anyone please clarify this, confirm, refute? Thanks!

 

[Mitthrawnuruodo]

Does anyone know what the formatted capacities are of each (2 gig, 4 gig, 8 gig)

As with all capacities you need to take into account that computers (and RAM manufacturers) calculates size in binary 2^10 = 1024 for thousand, while HD and Flash memory manufacturers calculate in decimal where 1000 = 1000.

For drives measured in GB this mean you need to multiply the drives size with ~0.93 to get the size your computer will calculate it to:
2 GB ≈ 1.86 GB
4 GB ≈ 3.72 GB
8 GB ≈ 7.44 GB

So, yes in a way you are right, on the 8 GB nano about 550 MB will be "missing".

This has very little to do with formatting (this was an issue back when drives were just a couple of MB, then the formatting table and such actually took up a fair portion of the disk).

This isn't exactly news. 🙄

 

[Chundles]

Does anyone know what the formatted capacities are of each (2 gig, 4 gig, 8 gig).

I can't find where I read it, but somewhere it looked like the formatting ate up 600 mb of space - YIKES!

Can anyone please clarify this, confirm, refute? Thanks!

You don't lose too much to formatting, you "lose' space because computers incorrectly use GB as a storage term instead of GiB.

Take the capacity in GB, multiply it by 0.93 to give you GiB (which the computer will report as GB even though using an SI prefix "giga" is inappropriate for a binary measurement) and that will give you the capacity. Anything lost beyond the initial 7% of the drive is due to formatting. On a regular HDD the difference isn't much but on an iPod it's a fair bit more due to the OS, built-in applications and stuff like that.

An 8GB iPod, if nothing was loaded on it (ie, just a blank 8GB HDD) would report a capacity of ~7.44GB on the computer. It should report 7.44GiB. Don't worry, you still get the 8x10^9 bytes you paid for, it's just a stupid quirk of all computers that they report binary measures in SI units.

8GB = ~7.44GiB. But your computer will say 7.44GB which lends the illusion of lost space.

 

[jagolden]

As with all capacities you need to take into account that computers (and RAM manufacturers) calculates size in binary 2^10 = 1024 for thousand, while HD and Flash memory manufacturers calculate in decimal where 1000 = 1000.

For drives measured in GB this mean you need to multiply the drives size with ~0.93 to get the size your computer will calculate it to:
2 GB ? 1.86 GB
4 GB ? 3.72 GB
8 GB ? 7.44 GB

So, yes in a way you are right, on the 8 GB nano about 550 MB will be "missing".

This has very little to do with formatting (this was an issue back when drives were just a couple of MB, then the formatting table and such actually took up a fair portion of the disk).

This isn't exactly news. 🙄

Thanks Mitthrawnuruodo and Chundles. I know it's not news, but I wanted to know. Want a 2 gig, but did not want to lose too much space. 1.8 is fine. 1.4 would drive me to the 4 gig ( may anyways for th $50). Frankly, despite having more than 1,000 cd's plus iTunes downloads, I never filled up my 1gen Mini.

Thanks again for the explanations.

 

[Chupa Chupa]

How unlucky do I feel? I just spent a week in Chicago, and on Monday bought a 60Gb Ipod for myself and a 2Gb Ipod for the GF. I left the US on Tuesday afternoon. I knew I should've waited 'til Tuesday morning before buying..... Oh well, gotta smile..... I think.......

Just eBay them before the world figures out new iPods have arrived.

 

[Mitthrawnuruodo]

Thanks Mitthrawnuruodo and Chundles. I know it's not news, but I wanted to know.

I'm really sorry if I sounded a bit harsh... I didn't really mean to... 😱

It's just that this has been explained over and again so I roll my eyes more as a reflex... 😉

 

[jagolden]

I'm really sorry if I sounded a bit harsh... I didn't really mean to... 😱

It's just that this has been explained over and again so I roll my eyes more as a reflex... 😉

No offense taken-did not think you harsh. As I was typing it I thought " Oh boy, I'm sure this is one of those constant quaetsions" - should I be doing this.
Was afraid Cundles might have gone ballistic. Especially after Tuesdays constant postings of some very old news🙂

 

[true777]

I liked the old nano design infinitely better -- just so simple, cool, and perfect. A year ago I was excited to upgrade my mini, which I had always considered ugly, to the sleek, contemporary nano. I don't know... the mini design just never looked good. I can't believe they went back to it, but judging by the comments in this forum, the majority of people seems to like it.

I'm thinking if aluminum and colors, then why not at least elegant, sleek looking colors like anthrazite, dark brown, or steel grey? Oh well.

 

[Lau]

I just went to Scotsys and John Lewis in Edinburgh to eye up the new nanos, and neither of them had them. <disappointed> 🙁

 

[Chundles]

No offense taken-did not think you harsh. As I was typing it I thought " Oh boy, I'm sure this is one of those constant quaetsions" - should I be doing this.
Was afraid Cundles might have gone ballistic. Especially after Tuesdays constant postings of some very old news🙂

Sorry if I ripped on you back then mate. I was going through some nasty withdrawal after falling off the wagon of my codeine addiction and it made me really irritable for a while.

Back to my normal cheerful self now until the pain flares up and I have to jump off the wagon again.

Sorry once again. Hope my explanation made some sense.

 

[Queso]

I just went to Scotsys and John Lewis in Edinburgh to eye up the new nanos, and neither of them had them. <disappointed> 🙁

Give it a few days. I've so far only found them in London at the Apple Store itself. They are worth the wait 🙂

 

[Chimera]

To further my pictures of the black nano Appleinsider also now has some beautiful and detailed pics here

 

[Lau]

Give it a few days. I've so far only found them in London at the Apple Store itself. They are worth the wait 🙂

<impatient> <fidgets> 😛

 

[jagolden]

Give it a few days. I've so far only found them in London at the Apple Store itself. They are worth the wait 🙂

Just picked up a 2 and 4 gig at an Apple store here in the Staes.
They are S W E E T.

 

[Mitthrawnuruodo]

Well... my girlfriend is ready to kill me, quite literally... when I ordered her nano, I also ordered a second skin for my MacBook... and the second skin has delayed the estimated shipping time - from 3 days up to 1-2 weeks.

I'm so dead... 😱

People posting images of their new nanos doesn't help...

 

[OllyW]

Just wondering, does the aluminum material prevent them from manufacturing white models? I prefer white over all the available colours, and it'll prolly go better with my MacBook.

The aluminium case is anodised, which adds a hard, protective coating and a choice of colours. I'm sure that white anodising is not an option, I have yet to see it on mountain bike parts and they are available in many more colours than the ones offered by Apple.

Also, the reason only the 8GB model is available in black won't be down to cost, black and silver are the most common colours used for anodising.

 

[steve_hill4]

I just went to Scotsys and John Lewis in Edinburgh to eye up the new nanos, and neither of them had them. <disappointed> 🙁

Most branches of John Lewis are scheduled to have them by the weekend. They actually state Saturday, but knowing our supply chain, more likely Monday.

Never say never.

With the lack of CD with any of the iPods, does anyone know if you have to download iTunes now prior to connecting your iPod or, as one person I know suggested, you connect up the iPod and it installs from there and prompts you to do a restore after?

Just want to know for those who will be looking to buy this weekend, but do not have access to the internet yet and/or have slow dial-up.

 

[Lau]

Most branches of John Lewis are scheduled to have them by the weekend. They actually state Saturday, but knowing our supply chain, more likely Monday.

Never say never.

Ooh, fab, thanks, I'll check it out next week. Scotsys said it would be a week or so, but I couldn't find anyone to ask in John Lewis.

 

[vendettabass]

just bought my black nano! really can't wait for her to arrive!!! I've just peaked 7GB of music so its all good!