2G Vs. 3G Vs. 3G S : Fight!

[maflynn]

You forgot about a couple major difference between 2g -> 3g and 3g->3gs
the inclusion of rebate pricing and how ATT allowed people to jump up to the 3g with the rebate price.

While the biggest feature for the 3G was that, 3G bandwidth the cost of the upgrade was minimal. Where as the price to upgrade from the 3G to the 3Gs is steep and while there may be more features added to the 3Gs paying 499 for phone may be a little on the excessive side (and yes I ordered a 32gb iPhone)

 

[LEGALROMA]

Good then we agree as the hardware is the hardware, the 3G does not support 7.2 and the 3G S⃣ does...

Bitching about real world download speeds is your prerogative however, we are discussing HARDWARE specs, learn the difference.


Again, you are arguing about bad service not hardware specs. Some providers do have good service, I would not include AT&T with that though.

Bitching you say?

Maybe you should check the definition of what perogative means.

The world i live in is if a company says 3.2 mbps than i expect it to be close if not exact. Especially if your paying close to $2000 a year to use the service.

You sound like a child., I woulkd say maybe 19?

Again maybe you missed my point. I am tired of "hardware specs" that do not measure in the real world.

I would love to have you in a courtroom. It would be good fun.

 

[LEGALROMA]

What network do you use?

I've never had a dropped call on o2.

ATT my friend.

 

[nfl46]

Yes, the 3G S is a MAJOR upgrade. People are sooooo quick to call it a MINOR upgrade because they didn't change the back casing or add a front-facing camera, LOL!

Once again, its usually the people who have to pay the 399/499/599/699 that calls it a MINOR upgrade, when its CLEARLY not. Specs don't lie people! They really don't.

 

[Luigi239]

Bitching you say?

Maybe you should check the definition of what perogative means.

The world i live in is if a company says 3.2 mbps than i expect it to be close if not exact. Especially if your paying close to $2000 a year to use the service.

You sound like a child., I woulkd say maybe 19?

Again maybe you missed my point. I am tired of "hardware specs" that do not measure in the real world.

I would love to have you in a courtroom. It would be good fun.

Not to jump into an argument where I do not belong, but AT&T never promises to give you the full 3.2 mbps speed. Most cell towers don't have the backhaul to support that full speed under normal to heavy use, which is why AT&T is investing in upgrading these when they deploy 7.2 mbps in the near future.

Even if they all did, the specification of the wireless standard never says that you are going to get the full "advertised speed". A lot of different factors go into determining the speed of the network such as where the tower is, what type of terrain, what the atmospheric conditions are like, how far away you are, ext. Another example of this is the 802.11 G standard, which calls for 54 mbps data transmission. The thing is, nobody gets the ideal 54 mpbs transmission because the standard is written using absolutely perfect, ideal conditions. Nobody is ever going to get the full 54 mbps, period. Along with this, I believe AT&T said that the maximum posted speed for the iPhone 3g was 1.4 mbps and not 3.2 a while back.

AT&T never says they are going to give you a 3.2 mbps connection, they are simply referring to the standard in which they are utilizing. Just because the standard doesn't live up to real world speeds isn't AT&T's fault. And as far as hardware specs go, there are many European countries that have been using the 7.2 mbps standard for a while now, and the fact that the hardware will support the faster wireless network is a big deal for them. The hardware specs do matter.

Nobody is forcing you to pay your monthly bill every month. If your not happy with the service, then cancel it. Just don't do it based off of un-realistic expectations of standards written for perfect, ideal circumstances.

 

[LEGALROMA]

Not to jump into an argument where I do not belong, but AT&T never promises to give you the full 3.2 mbps speed. Most cell towers don't have the backhaul to support that full speed under normal to heavy use, which is why AT&T is investing in upgrading these when they deploy 7.2 mbps in the near future.

Even if they all did, the specification of the wireless standard never says that you are going to get the full "advertised speed". A lot of different factors go into determining the speed of the network such as where the tower is, what type of terrain, what the atmospheric conditions are like, how far away you are, ext. Another example of this is the 802.11 G standard, which calls for 54 mbps data transmission. The thing is, nobody gets the ideal 54 mpbs transmission because the standard is written using absolutely perfect, ideal conditions. Nobody is ever going to get the full 54 mbps, period. Along with this, I believe AT&T said that the maximum posted speed for the iPhone 3g was 1.4 mbps and not 3.2 a while back.

AT&T never says they are going to give you a 3.2 mbps connection, they are simply referring to the standard in which they are utilizing. Just because the standard doesn't live up to real world speeds isn't AT&T's fault. And as far as hardware specs go, there are many European countries that have been using the 7.2 mbps standard for a while now, and the fact that the hardware will support the faster wireless network is a big deal for them. The hardware specs do matter.

Nobody is forcing you to pay your monthly bill every month. If your not happy with the service, then cancel it. Just don't do it based off of un-realistic expectations of standards written for perfect, ideal circumstances.

I would agree with you except the speeds are less than one half of what they claim.

My point is its all marketing and im sick of it thats all.

 

[Jimmy James]

The hardware upgrade going to the 3G S is a big jump. Much bigger than it was going to the 3G.

People appear to be having a hard time accepting this for 2 reasons:

1. They are already on a contract and it would cost them a great deal of money to get the 3G S. Therefore, they are trying to convince themselves, and everyone around them, that the upgrade is not significant. It is.

2. They place the majority of their emphasis on being seen with a distinguishably newer phone. Therefore, their opinion on hardware spec is invalid anyway.

 

[dagomike]

You forgot about a couple major difference between 2g -> 3g and 3g->3gs
the inclusion of rebate pricing and how ATT allowed people to jump up to the 3g with the rebate price.

ATT didn't allow anything. You bought your 2G outright.

 

[nikhsub1]

Bitching you say?

Maybe you should check the definition of what perogative means.

The world i live in is if a company says 3.2 mbps than i expect it to be close if not exact. Especially if your paying close to $2000 a year to use the service.

You sound like a child., I woulkd say maybe 19?

Again maybe you missed my point. I am tired of "hardware specs" that do not measure in the real world.

I would love to have you in a courtroom. It would be good fun.

Are you implying that you are a lawyer? So as a lawyer your argument is that the specs are fake because AT&T can't support them? So you would also argue that the Bugatti Veyron's top speed specs of 200 MPH+ are are a joke because in the USA the speed limit is 65? Are you for real? Are you sure you actually passed law school? LOL.

*edit*

And I know what prerogative means. You however, seem to have your own definition of a word 'perogative' which does not exist. A lawyer. LMFAO.

 

[jimishjoban]

Nice chart man... I am now able to convince myself to upgrade to 3GS from 2G and sign another 2 year contract with a sucker!!

 

[conman16]

Overall, this thread is great. The only thing not included are the monthly bills... I have an edge iPhone and the only reason I did not upgrade to the 3G was the increased monthly cost. Therefore I have a question: I have a 2G iphone with unlimited data and txting and 450 minutes on an AT&T plan. If I upgrade to the 3GS and keep the same amount on everyhing in the plan, how much will my bill increase by? I have heard $10, and I have also heard $15. Does anyone know which is correct?
Thank you

 

[Switz213]

Wow!
This is amazing, great job!

One thing though, is that they are adding a lot of Language support in 3.0/2,1.

Hebrew, for one along with others.

 

[ryanvalle]

Overall, this thread is great. The only thing not included are the monthly bills... I have an edge iPhone and the only reason I did not upgrade to the 3G was the increased monthly cost. Therefore I have a question: I have a 2G iphone with unlimited data and txting and 450 minutes on an AT&T plan. If I upgrade to the 3GS and keep the same amount on everyhing in the plan, how much will my bill increase by? I have heard $10, and I have also heard $15. Does anyone know which is correct?
Thank you

It will go up by $10.

Currently, your plan goes like this
$40 for 450 minutes (i think this one is correct, but doesnt matter for the math
$20 for iPhone 2G internet (comes with 200 text)
$20 for unlimited text
$80 for your plan

Comes 3G
$40 stays the same for minutes
$30 for 3G internet, up $10 from before without text
$20 no change for unlimited text
$90 for this new plan

$10 difference plus tax. Plus, if you work for a big name company or a student, you may be eligible for discounts. Check out https://wireless.att.com/business/enrollment/ to see if you may be eligible for something. I get 10% off some items on my bill for being a cal state univ, northridge student.

 

[jav6454]

My jump from the 1st Gen iPhone to the iPhone 3G S⃣ is going to big quite changing. Considering, I'm jumping to a GPS from only Cell Towers, and 3G up from EDGE. Also, I'm getting double RAM and faster (around 188 MHz faster) CPU with noticeably higher caches.

My jump also includes new voice control, better Bluetooth, a better camera (2.0 MP to 3.0 MP), my beloved video recording feature, 4x more storage (I'm getting the 32GB model), another feature would be a bit asked MMS.

The rest of the new features I can get by a software update on my 1st Gen and the ones I don't get and are new, I could care less.

So, there you have it, a nice jump. Oh and BTW, my eligibility date is June 19, 2009 since I started my contract September 19, 2009. Lol

"It's a small step for previous iPhone 3G users, but a giant leap for me!"

 

[conman16]

thank you ryanvalle! Now I understand what upgrading is going to cost me. Knowing that it is just a $10 difference, I am going to upgrade and get a 32gb black 3GS! Friggin sweeeet. Bye bye slow a** EDGE network, sh*tty camera, and extremely quiet speaker!

 

[Rayfire]

Hey thanks OP for the chart, that was indeed useful!

 

[JayLenochiniMac]

Why is less weight = better? Sometimes lighter evokes a cheaper feel, especially when combined with plastic.

 

[vipergts2207]

Why is less weight = better? Sometimes lighter evokes a cheaper feel, especially when combined with plastic.

Well it's only .1 ounce so it won't make a difference either way. You couldn't tell a difference even if you held both at the same time.

 

[funkyc]

looking forward to upgrading from my first gen iphone! yay!!

 

[Widgetal]

P.S. correct me if I'm wrong in any spec!

What is your colour system? The larger dimensions are in green - shouldn't they be in red?

And magnometer is in red which surely is a good thing and should be green?

 

[-Ryan-]

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Overall, this thread is great. The only thing not included are the monthly bills... I have an edge iPhone and the only reason I did not upgrade to the 3G was the increased monthly cost. Therefore I have a question: I have a 2G iphone with unlimited data and txting and 450 minutes on an AT&T plan. If I upgrade to the 3GS and keep the same amount on everyhing in the plan, how much will my bill increase by? I have heard $10, and I have also heard $15. Does anyone know which is correct?
Thank you

It will go up by $10.

Currently, your plan goes like this
$40 for 450 minutes (i think this one is correct, but doesnt matter for the math
$20 for iPhone 2G internet (comes with 200 text)
$20 for unlimited text
$80 for your plan

Comes 3G
$40 stays the same for minutes
$30 for 3G internet, up $10 from before without text
$20 no change for unlimited text
$90 for this new plan

$10 difference plus tax. Plus, if you work for a big name company or a student, you may be eligible for discounts. Check out https://wireless.att.com/business/enrollment/ to see if you may be eligible for something. I get 10% off some items on my bill for being a cal state univ, northridge student.

Jeez! I've never seen it spelt out so well just how damn expensive cell coverage is in the US. Get some of the o2 UK customers in here ago bitch and moan about the price. It's much cheaper over here even on the 18 month contract...

 

[ThE.MeSsEnGeR]

What is your colour system? The larger dimensions are in green - shouldn't they be in red?

And magnometer is in red which surely is a good thing and should be green?

green means that is a one-step change from the original configuration in that spec... while red means a 2-step change from the original... in each category given.

for example:

in the category "Location" for the iPhone 3G you have 'A-GPS' in green, while in the 3G S, you have the A-GPS in green and Compass in red... meaning that the ''location'' feature on the iphone in general has been updated twice: 1. A-GPS (green) and then 2. Compass (red).

i Hope I explained well enough