3 Steps to wake iPhone X vs Single Touch ID?

[Looney01]

And why not just:

1) wake up phone

Answered.

 

[joeblow7777]

I think a lot of you are missing the point. I’m just asking if we can loose the whole swipe up motion. Look at my phone and it opens to the home screen.

Not sure what’s so hard to grasp about wanting that as an option.

As I already said in the very comment that you quoted, maybe you can do that, but you know as much as anyone here.

 

[HelloMikee]

To answer your question directly. No ones knows until the iPhone X has been released. Perhaps there is a setting that will allow you to completely bypass the lock screen and go straight to homescreen.

Got it, thanks lol. I’m a little late to the party with watching hands on YouTube stuff hence my question.

 

[Looney01]

Got it, thanks lol. I’m a little late to the party with watching hands on YouTube stuff hence my question.

Yeah the hands on videos don’t go into such detail because they haven’t spent enough time with the phone to delve into all the settings and features and actually test things.

Once the phone is released you’ll start seeing more hands on videos that go into more depth.

 

[MEJHarrison]

I don't care about steps or attempting to count how many might exist. It will be easier than unlocking my phone today or it won't be. I can guess and speculate and say how Apple is going down the toilet. But none of that really matters. It won't be until I can test it myself or read some good reviews that I'll have my questions answered. For now I choose to trust Apple did a good job. They're not perfect of course. But they have a good track record in my opinion. So until I have evidence otherwise, I'll proceed under the assumption that like with Touch ID, they've nailed it.

 

[HelloMikee]

You use your phone without looking at it? Wow, you some sort of god? So you’re telling me, that, while you are in your video meetings, you are also accessing your phone and using it?

I use my calculator quite often with my phone flat on the table. Currently it’s easy with Touch ID but without the home button I’m already assuming I’ll just enter my passcode vs picking it up.

 

[Looney01]

I don't care about steps or attempting to count how many might exist. It will be easier than unlocking my phone today or it won't be. I can guess and speculate and say how Apple is going down the toilet. But none of that really matters. It won't be until I can test it myself or read some good reviews that I'll have my questions answered. For now I choose to trust Apple did a good job. They're not perfect of course. But they have a good track record in my opinion. So until I have evidence otherwise, I'll proceed under the assumption that like with Touch ID, they've nailed it.

Couldn’t agree more actually. FaceID will solve all my problems. TouchID is a disaster for me because my hands sweat a lot and TouchID keeps failing me. I think I spend more time typing my password then using TouchID.

I too believe Apple have nailed it and it will also get even better in time.

 

[Looney01]

I use my calculator quite often with my phone flat on the table. Currently it’s easy with Touch ID but without the home button I’m already assuming I’ll just enter my passcode vs picking it up.

Lol, I’m assuming you have to look at your calculator to use it, unless you have memorized where all the buttons are. I doubt that lol. So you still have to look at your phone

 

[missbing]

Again, why is everyone making looking at the phone a step. You’re going to be looking at the phone anyway, remove that from the unlock step.

The steps to unlock:

1) Wake the phone (tap or raise to wake)

2) Swipe up

That’s it. No 3 step process. 2 at max depending if you raise or if you must tap.

Stop thinking that looking at the phone is another step. It’s not. It’s automatic.

Looking at the phone is a step. Most of the time I have my phone on my desk at work or on the passenger seat in my car. With Touch ID, I don’t even have to look at my phone. All I do is put my finger on the phone to open it. I don’t have to lift it up or look. So now, with Face ID, I have to always lift my phone up and look at it.

 

[HelloMikee]

Lol, I’m assuming you have to look at your calculator to use it, unless you have memorized where all the buttons are. I doubt that lol. So you still have to look at your phone

I’m looking at it of course at an angle for a quick calculation. But it’s flat on my desk with the camera pointing the ceiling. If facial ID can catch that i’d be in awe. But like I said I wasn’t counting on that to work and this whole subject of looking at my phone when and why isn’t the main subject of my post lol.

I want to look at my phone I swear.

 

[Looney01]

Looking at the phone is a step. Most of the time I have my phone on my desk at work or on the passenger seat in my car. With Touch ID, I don’t even have to look at my phone. All I do is put my finger on the phone to open it. I don’t have to lift it up or look. So now, with Face ID, I have to always lift my phone up and look at it.

No, you don’t have to pick it up. You tap the screen, look at the phone, swipe up. Also remember one thing, the looking at the phone is only if you have the awareness thingamabob enabled, so the phone has to see that you are looking at it. If you disable that setting then you don’t even have to look at the phone, as long as FaceID can scan your face.

 

[Technarchy]

1. Wake
2. Face unlock
3. Swipe

Though Face Unlock doesn’t really count since you have to look at your phone anyway.

 

[Peanut207]

Again, why is everyone making looking at the phone a step. You’re going to be looking at the phone anyway, remove that from the unlock step.

The steps to unlock:

1) Wake the phone (tap or raise to wake)

2) Swipe up

That’s it. No 3 step process. 2 at max depending if you raise or if you must tap.

Stop thinking that looking at the phone is another step. It’s not. It’s automatic.

I would take it even 1 step further. It can only be 1 step (swiping up) depending on what you set FaceID at. You can set it for a wider angle area allowing you to wake phone while it’s laying down or make it more secure by making you look directly at screen.

Either way. It’s just as fast if not faster than Touch ID. Swiping up is a very natural movement. I’m looking forward to it.

 

[jeremiah256]

You all can argue but the premise is correct. TouchID allows for a single operation to unlock the phone and get to the home screen and there are definitely times where using FaceID instead will require extra steps. One I just used a few hours ago was to unlock my Watch. I reached in my pocket and pressed the home button. Watch unlocked. Using the device in meetings is another - everyone does it, often discreetly enough that they aren't really 'looking' at the screen in any way that is likely to allow FaceID to unlock the phone. In the car with the device sitting in the center console on a charging mat will be another.

The unlocking the Apple Watch use? Noted. It's going to get more inconvenient. But I'm very confused exactly what action you are attempting to do with the car and meeting example.

 

[Looney01]

I would take it even 1 step further. It can only be 1 step (swiping up) depending on what you set FaceID at. You can set it for a wider angle area allowing you to wake phone while it’s laying down or make it more secure by making you look directly at screen.

Either way. It’s just as fast if not faster than Touch ID. Swiping up is a very natural movement. I’m looking forward to it.

100% agree. Can’t wait to get my hands on it. Well... that could take a very long time if the rumors of yet more delays are to be taken seriously. Also, I live in South Africa so we will definitely not be seeing the iPhone X till next year. Hoping that I manage to buy one from either the US or Hong Kong.

 

[zhenya]

The unlocking the Apple Watch use? Noted. It's going to get more inconvenient. But I'm very confused exactly what action you are attempting to do with the car and meeting example.

The point is there are all sorts of ways that people interact with their phones where they are glancing at information on the screen from odd angles. I expect FaceID to work at angles where it's not directly pointing at your face. I do not expect it will work when someone is discreetly using their phone held under the conference room table, etc.

 

[dk001]

Again, why is everyone making looking at the phone a step. You’re going to be looking at the phone anyway, remove that from the unlock step.

The steps to unlock:

1) Wake the phone (tap or raise to wake)

2) Swipe up

That’s it. No 3 step process. 2 at max depending if you raise or if you must tap.

Stop thinking that looking at the phone is another step. It’s not. It’s automatic.

Automatic it isn't.

I will unlock my device while flat on a desk to glance at the data on the screen.
I have been paying attention to how I use my phone. Actually picking it up and immediately looking at it, or even picking it up, to unlock is only about 50% of the time.

I'll touch with a non-registered finger to glance at the lock screen info.
I'll touch with a registered finger to glance at data on the screen.
I'll reach over and unlock while driving - phone in mount.
Reach out and restart a playlist or skip a song.

There are many ways I utilize TouchId functionality without having to pick up, face, unlock, and use.

What I really want is to know specifically how it really works so I can look to see if I want to adapt my processes to it or just skip it. The mediocre demos aren't cutting it - too limited.

You all can argue but the premise is correct. TouchID allows for a single operation to unlock the phone and get to the home screen and there are definitely times where using FaceID instead will require extra steps. One I just used a few hours ago was to unlock my Watch. I reached in my pocket and pressed the home button. Watch unlocked. Using the device in meetings is another - everyone does it, often discreetly enough that they aren't really 'looking' at the screen in any way that is likely to allow FaceID to unlock the phone. In the car with the device sitting in the center console on a charging mat will be another.

 

[ValhallaOutcast]

What will be the difference between a swipe up and using TouchID? As soon as you hold the iPhone in front of you the phone will unlock all you do from there is swipe up.
(It’s as if looking at the phone has become another step)

The iPhone X will definitely have raise to wake, meaning that as soon as you raise your phone the screen will wake allowing FaceID to activate instantly and then swipe up to go to the home screen. Its not a 3 step process vs 1 step. It’s exactly the same number of steps.

LOL! Looking at a phone is not a “motion”, it is what you will be doing anyway when using your phone. The mind boggles.

Its not that its a difficult motion but it changes how you unlock the phone, Touch ID is as convenient as no pass code

FaceID is an impressive display of tech

IMO Touch ID is better but I also like the feel of a home button vs gestures

 

[jeremiah256]

The point is there are all sorts of ways that people interact with their phones where they are glancing at information on the screen from odd angles. I expect FaceID to work at angles where it's not directly pointing at your face. I do not expect it will work when someone is discreetly using their phone held under the conference room table, etc.

That's what is confusing for me. With TouchID, you discretely pull it out of your pocket and bring it under the table. You've already pressed the Home Button, so you are on the home screen and can access your apps once you look at the screen. But you will still need to look at the screen. The UI is top down, so whatever app you open, you're going to look at the top of the screen unless you're purposely going to hold it upside down.

With FaceID, you'd discretely take it out of your pocket and when you look at the screen, prior to accessing your app, you slide up IF there is no option to directly go to the home screen. The sensors are right there at the top of the screen. If you only want to look at your notifications, like with TouchID, you'd just hit the power button, slide it out of your pocket, and they're on your screen.

 

[zhenya]

That's what is confusing for me. With TouchID, you discretely pull it out of your pocket and bring it under the table. You've already pressed the Home Button, so you are on the home screen and can access your apps once you look at the screen. But you will still need to look at the screen. The UI is top down, so whatever app you open, you're going to look at the top of the screen unless you're purposely going to hold it upside down.

With FaceID, you'd discretely take it out of your pocket and when you look at the screen, prior to accessing your app, you slide up IF there is no option to directly go to the home screen. The sensors are right there at the top of the screen. If you only want to look at your notifications, like with TouchID, you'd just hit the power button, slide it out of your pocket, and they're on your screen.

I'm just skeptical that the unlock will work at the kind of off-angles I'm talking about. That's it. Perhaps we will be surprised. Apple is often good at that.

 

[jeremiah256]

I'm just skeptical that the unlock will work at the kind of off-angles I'm talking about. That's it. Perhaps we will be surprised. Apple is often good at that.

Got it, and I understand completely.

 

[oneteam]

The way I imagine Face ID will work it's a single motion. You pick up the phone and by the time you have the phone in front of you will be unlocked ready to swipe up. It will be an automatic movement that is going to be instantaneous, I don't think people should see this as steps or motions.

As far as having a setting to go straight to the home screen, no one outside of Apple knows this. However, Craig Federighi said that there is a setting to enable/disable "Attention Detection". "Attention Detection" is called when you are looking at the iPhone. As far as I understood him explaining this, it appears that the iPhone can be unlocked by face recognition without the need to look at it. This was created, among many other reasons, to allow partially blind people to be able to use Face ID.

I recommend to listen to John Gruber's show The Talk Show episode 200. Gruber is a horrible interviewer but it's worth listening to Federighi. They start talking about Attention Detection stuff at minute 11:30 of the show. Here's the link

https://daringfireball.net/thetalkshow/2017/09/15/ep-200

 

[PhoneI]

LOL! Looking at a phone is not a “motion”, it is what you will be doing anyway when using your phone. The mind boggles.

Don’t bother. People are having a very hard time understanding that you need to look at your phone anyway to use it and this isn’t an additional step.

 

[jeremiah256]

As far as having a setting to go straight to the home screen, no one outside of Apple knows this. However, Craig Federighi said that there is a setting to enable/disable "Attention Detection". "Attention Detection" is called when you are looking at the iPhone. As far as I understood him explaining this, it appears that the iPhone can be unlocked by face recognition without the need to look at it. This was created, among many other reasons, to allow partially blind people to be able to use Face ID.
https://daringfireball.net/thetalkshow/2017/09/15/ep-200

Speaking of Accessibility features, (which Apple excels at) with TouchID, there is Touch to Open toggle (Rest Finger to Open) for those with limited mobility. TouchID button to home screen, no pressure required. I'd be really surprised if FaceID does not include a face scan to home screen for those with no mobility.

 

[PhoneI]

I use my calculator quite often with my phone flat on the table. Currently it’s easy with Touch ID but without the home button I’m already assuming I’ll just enter my passcode vs picking it up.

They showed a picture in the keynote of someone using FaceID with the phone flat on a surface. You don’t need to hold in front of your face.