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The next Studio Display must get a 120Hz refresh rate and an up-to-date bezel size. No need to hold back, or?
 
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Nobody even makes a proper 5K above 60Hz, let alone 6K
To nitpick — among the wave of eleven (so far) new Retina 5K this year, the ViewSonic ColorPro is listed as 75Hz and the Kuycon G27P can be set to 75Hz even though it is listed as 60Hz. The AOC is listed as 70Hz.

But you’re not wrong — in general, there’s nothing above that slight increase, and even that may be peak fps, not sustained or typical fps.

That’s probably why Kuycon lists the G27P at 60Hz — because it only reaches 75Hz in certain circumstances, and it typically runs at 60Hz even when you set it to 75Hz.
 
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To nitpick — among the wave of eleven (so far) new Retina 5K this year, the ViewSonic ColorPro is listed as 75Hz and the Kuycon G27P can be set to 75Hz even though it is listed as 60Hz. The AOC is listed as 70Hz.

But you’re not wrong — in general, there’s nothing above that slight increase, and even that may be peak fps, not sustained or typical fps.

That’s probably why Kuycon lists the G27P at 60Hz — because it only reaches 75Hz in certain circumstances, and it typically runs at 60Hz even when you set it to 75Hz.
It's nice to see some honesty in their advertising.
 
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There's just one small problem: years ago, I bought an Asus monitor with a camera for a Mac mini. After the first major operating system update, the camera disappeared and all I could see was a black screen. Asus support didn't seem interested in the problem.
Some time later, the power supply also started malfunctioning.
In short, I won't be buying from Asus again.
How much was the Asus to a comparable Dell or Apple? I'd factor that in on the price diference.

If anyone intends to replace within 5 years then why spend extra on something sturdy that lasts 2-3x longer when you will replace? Many will argue it's e-waste but in truth why did anyone buy Asus? It is likely because of price.
 
…China manufacturers such as BOE are already making 8K@120hz monitors in production this year.

Better question is will it cost $5k-10k? What's the WW demand for that? As much as a $5k Apple 32" 6K display back in 2019... 6 years ago?
 
…China manufacturers such as BOE are already making 8K@120h
Interesting. From your link: "BOE of China is, these days, the largest panel maker in the world. On its booth was a very good looking 31.5’ 8K LCD monitor panel. It supports up to 120Hz refresh rate in 8K or can run at 240Hz in 4K. The firm told us that it expects some mass production later this year."

It would be nice if they told us what setup was driving that thing - computer, graphics card if there was one, connecting cable, etc...

Mass production to market to who, I wonder? If 6K is effectively 'retina' at 32" display size, and 8K simply puts more demand on the attached computer (e.g.: GPU) and a higher requirement on the connection (e.g.: Thunderbolt 5), and streaming services aren't apt to roll out substantial 8K content anytime soon, what advantage does this offer? To who? At what price point?

You established with this source that it's possible to manufacture one, and I appreciate that. But can it be done in a way that's cost-effective and relevant to the desktop computer market? I look forward to the answers unfolding over time!

If anyone intends to replace within 5 years then why spend extra on something sturdy that lasts 2-3x longer when you will replace?
Also consider if you buy cheaper now, and in 5 years see a bright new shiny you want (e.g.: 5K 27" OLED), you might make that jump. But if you pay double the price now, you not be willing to sacrifice that investment and so hold onto what you have, either because you sunk so much money in it, or your standards are so high you'll also demand the replacement be high end.
 
Well 120hz+ is pretty much useless for anything other than pro gaming - at 240hz you've hit the point of diminishing returns for even the most eagle eyes pro gramer.

It’s nice to have smoother scrolling and a richer mouse pointer at 120hz+ but it' doesn't really improve much for day to day computer work. Really we'd be better off with Apple's Pro Motion tech so that a desktop screen could sit at 1hz when stable to save power and scale up when scrolling.
Note adaptive refresh rate is common in high refresh monitors to scale down the refresh rate to save power and scale dynamically…

It’s even a dedicated setting to toggle on or off on Windows 11 outside of Mac’s hardware ecosystem using it on several high refresh rate monitors.

Also there’s definitely use cases beyond games that can benefit from 240hz such as spatial computing (90hz baseline, 120hz, 240hz great but currently computionally expensive) and various use cases involving motion .

It’s just that the average person has modest computing needs they reduce to games for capabilities such as high refresh rates, and accordingly have settled with less—or plainly have little experience with such capabilities and merely speaking being comfortable with what they’ve been limited to (ignorance is bliss).

There’s plenty who claim 30FPS/60hz and 4K is enough yet ironically benefited from it or demand high refresh rates and high PPI on phones—a meaningful amount of people don’t want to downgrade from that finally on larger panels where they do their most meaningful computing.

It’s always been eccentric people think such things should be uniquely limited to mobile devices compared to larger panels—especially prosumers in which the consistency is invaluable (which Apple has aligned with towards by no coincidence being favored among creative professionals and other prosumers accordingly).

Such market arrangement is fine with monitor manufacturers as it’s hard to QA and do R&D to ship large panels vs panels for mobile devices.

But it’s not really because most people don’t notice it or benefit from it—some are posturing not being able to afford it or the complimentary hardware to enjoy it.
 
Interesting. From your link: "BOE of China is, these days, the largest panel maker in the world. On its booth was a very good looking 31.5’ 8K LCD monitor panel. It supports up to 120Hz refresh rate in 8K or can run at 240Hz in 4K. The firm told us that it expects some mass production later this year."

It would be nice if they told us what setup was driving that thing - computer, graphics card if there was one, connecting cable, etc...

Mass production to market to who, I wonder? If 6K is effectively 'retina' at 32" display size, and 8K simply puts more demand on the attached computer (e.g.: GPU) and a higher requirement on the connection (e.g.: Thunderbolt 5), and streaming services aren't apt to roll out substantial 8K content anytime soon, what advantage does this offer? To who? At what price point?

You established with this source that it's possible to manufacture one, and I appreciate that. But can it be done in a way that's cost-effective and relevant to the desktop computer market? I look forward to the answers unfolding over time!


Also consider if you buy cheaper now, and in 5 years see a bright new shiny you want (e.g.: 5K 27" OLED), you might make that jump. But if you pay double the price now, you not be willing to sacrifice that investment and so hold onto what you have, either because you sunk so much money in it, or your standards are so high you'll also demand the replacement be high end.
Monitors are historically expected to outlast several GPUs generations of upgrades.

It’s always been problematic for a monitor to be maxed out by a GPU as far as longevity at point of purchase.

Nvidia Titan-class and up GPUs, DisplayPort 2.1 w/ DSC and Thunderbolt 5 (especially its dedicated mode for high bandwidth monitors), and HDMI 2.2 can absolutely drive 8K@120hz (HDMI 2.1 maxes out at 8K@60hz).

Nvidia even offers multi frame generation to make 8K@120hz viable with the 5090 and moving forward.

Overall device pixel ratios (DPR) of over 2 and even 3 have been commercially viable on mobile devices for years—why would it not be different for large panels as a no compromises option.

Such sharpness measured by PPI and DPR benefits everyday computing as much as specialized computing use cases—from reading and viewing photos to editing and producing creative work with invaluable added accuracy and longevity on such monitors.

The latter is important or you have a chicken or the egg problem… How can 8K content be viable for pure consumers if creative professionals and other prosumers don’t have serious 8K+ options on par and superior in features than existing monitors?

As the 8K alliance and hollywood content providers recently announced, 8K is being seriously pursued towards HDMI 2.2 and other advancements announcements in recent months; that said primarily pure consumers need such lead content to buy into 8K compared to prosumers.
 
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Everyone cites that same, single Reddit post about a model that has been discontinued.

The review that @EugW mentioned is not about those kinds of problems. It’s a comparison of the current 5K G27P (which differs significantly from the older G27-X) with other competing displays like the Studio Display, the Samsung, and the ASUS. The Kuycon holds up reasonably well in that context. I wouldn’t call it a negative review.

I mean, these are new LG Display IPS Black panels. The risk is not in the failure rate of the panel, which is probably similar to the Dell, which also uses an LG Display IPS Black panel. Instead, the risk is in the unknowns — the other components inside the display. How do those compare to the Dell?

Here is a recent review of the 6K G32P which compares it with the Pro Display XDR:

 
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Also consider if you buy cheaper now, and in 5 years see a bright new shiny you want (e.g.: 5K 27" OLED), you might make that jump. But if you pay double the price now, you not be willing to sacrifice that investment and so hold onto what you have, either because you sunk so much money in it, or your standards are so high you'll also demand the replacement be high end.
Correct. Like say in my case. I bought a 2012 iMac 27" 2.5K and stll use it to 2025. As early as 2021 I'd wanted to replace with a theoretical 2021 iMac 32" 6K M1 if Apple managed to lower display parts to make $1799 starting price feasible. Yes the 27" 2.5K display still works but it's PPI is 1/2 of what is the standard today.
 
Overall device pixel ratios (DPR) of over 2 and even 3 have been commercially viable on mobile devices for years—why would it not be different for large panels as a no compromises option.
The key difference with phones is holding it closer to the face and often viewing small fonts.
 
The key difference with phones is holding it closer to the face and often viewing small fonts.
There's a reason why display and panel manufacturers don't list DPR (device pixel ratio) in specs. It's a CSS property, used in web design to serve images. It calculates the ratio of how many image pixels fit into each CSS pixel on a given device. CSS pixels don't correspond directly to hardware. They are a unit of measurement in software.

Physical PPI or pixel pitch is sufficient, and more precise. The iPhone 16 Pro I started writing this on has a PPI of 460. The Studio Display I'm finishing it on has a PPI of 218.

I think Apple has probably experimented with bringing Liquid Retina (254 ppi) to the Pro Display with a 32" 7K (7040x3960) unit. There was a rumor to that effect. My guess is now they will go straight to 32" 8K (275 ppi) if they go beyond Retina in a desktop display. Maybe 10K (10240x5760, 4x 5K) in the future -- a 32" 10K would be have a PPI of 367!
 
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No, the pixel density is noticeably different.

My 30” ACD is 101 ppi.
My 2010 27” iMac is 109 ppi.
And my 2017 27” iMac is 218 ppi.

Text is noticeably larger on the ACD, and that larger text size is more comfortable to look at IMO.

As mentioned, to achieve the same equivalent pixel density as the 30” ACD, the non-Retina 2560x1440 iMac would need to be 29.2”. Similarly, a Retina 5120x2880 screen would need to be 29.2” to achieve the same text size. A Retina 5120x3200 screen with that text sizing would be 30” of course.

Conversely, a 5120x3200 screen at the same 218 ppi pixel density as the 27” 5K iMac would be 27.75” (not 30”).

I own that 2010 27” iMac, 2017 27” 5K iMac, and 30” ACD and thus have been able to compare them directly side by side with the same versions of macOS.*

*I can use the 2010 iMac in Target Display Mode so I know what recent versions of macOS look like on that 15 year old iMac. I even know what iPadOS 26 looks like on that 2010 27” iMac.

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An 8% difference does not seem that much, but perhaps it felt less to me because there was a gap between me using a 30" ACD and a 27" 5K iMac, and the extra clarity of a retina screen meant text was much clearer. I would certainly like to see a retina version of the 30" ACD.

The Microsoft Surface Studio with it's 4500x3000 screen, resulting in 192 PPI, was possibly the best screen to look at in my brief acquaintance with it, and an excellently useable space with it's 3:2 ratio. A pity it was attached to an underpowered Windows machine.
 
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Holy crap! This looks like an amazing deal. This is probably too big for my own use, personally, but glad to see some stepped up competition in the high-res display space.
Not really 60hz display and thunderbolt 4 makes this monitor extremely dated. I would have preferred 120hz 6k monitor with thunderbolt 5
 
@Alex.ne Interesting! I went through the link @ignatius345 provided about the 6K 32" Kuycon display and found:

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USB‑C, DisplayPort 2.1 (with DSC support), two HDMI 2.1, two USB‑C ports and 3.5 mm audio jack


One upstream USB‑C port provides PowerDelivery charging up to 100 watts


Supports 6K (6144×3456) at 60 Hz via USB-C, DisplayPort and HDMI for compatible devices
"

I thought it was odd they said USB-C, not Thunderbolt, but scrolled on down to this for Macs (only lists Apple Silicon Macs as compatible):

"6K support over USB-C is available on models with Thunderbolt 4/USB4 and/or HDMI 2.1 and above"

And for PCs: "For notebooks and PCs, a Thunderbolt 3/4/USB4, DisplayPort 1.4 DSC, DisplayPort 2.1, or HDMI 2.1 and above port and a supported video adapter are required."

So...in theory, whatever they're doing, Thunderbolt 5 could support a 6K 120-Hz doing the same thing (if the graphics system can drive it).
 
Just gonna leave this here: Refresh Rate (Max) : 60Hz

I mean, yeah 120hz would be great, but the bandwidth requirements would be pretty crazy.

The games I play don’t really rise to the level of “I need a higher refresh rate to be good”, so this monitor seems kinda perfect to me. I care about color accuracy over a faster refresh rate.

Reviews will tell for sure.
 
The good things about this display: no rounded corners on the display, no notch, no webcam, and no speakers.

Many people who prefer such a high quality display also prefer a high-quality external webcam and high-quality external speakers. Built-in webcams and built-in speakers are always low-quality in comparison to many external options.

I use a pair of Genelec 8040Bs as my PC speakers would never go back tl]o built in monitor speakers.
 
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