iPad mini $329 for a Mini? Are you kidding me!?

[AzN1337c0d3r]

The Nexus 7 could easily have a rear camera.

And your point is? This is a discussion thread about the iPad Mini.

BTW, the iPad mini LTE model does have both.

The GPS chip is $5. Not $130.

Ever heard of a car kit? Don't have to pick it. Just program your trip before you start.

And this has to do with the iPad Mini not having a GPS because???

Pretty sure it is just as illegal to use your tablet while driving if being used inappropriately.

Except you wouldn't be messing with your tablet trying to see the map as opposed to your phone. Just set the tablet it on your console.

Link to source? Wait see source provided below.

Assisted GPS reduces the TTFF from minutes to seconds. GPS signals are commonly dropped in city centres. Every time signal is dropped, this lag is introduced. Less lag equals more accurate.

Also, assisted GPS systems are inherently more sensitive in detecting GPS signals than standalone GPS units. This is due to the data provided via the cellular data.

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http://www.gps-practice-and-fun.com/a-gps.html

You keep claiming that GPS signals are commonly dropped in city-centres. Do you have any statistics to back this up or are you just making statistics up for the sake of argument?

I also like how you added your own BS explanation of what "accuracy" is. Saying less lag is more accurate is like saying a faster car is more accurate than a slower car for getting from point A to point B.

Did you even read the link you posted? Nowhere in there does it claim that A-GPS uses cellular data to increase accuracy. Instead, the cellular related technologies work on their own to provide inaccurate estimates.

Cell-ID: ... Accuracy: 100-3000m.

AOA: ... Accuracy: 100-200m.

TDOA ... Accuracy: 100-200m.

TOA: ... Accuracy: 100-200m.

E-OTD: .. Accuracy: 50-200m.

A-FLT: ... Accuracy: 50-200m.

OTDOA: ... Accuracy: 50-200m.

GPS accuracy? less than 10m.

 

[munkery]

And your point is? This is a discussion thread about the iPad Mini.

You entered Android tablets into the conversation. So, don't cry about it now.

The GPS chip is $5. Not $130.

You get more than just GPS. But, the LTE cellular data does improve the GPS.

And this has to do with the iPad Mini not having a GPS because???

Who needs two devices with GPS.

Except you wouldn't be messing with your tablet trying to see the map as opposed to your phone. Just set the tablet it on your console.

No need to mess; it works great and I don't have to worry about the device when brake hard or accelerate.

You keep claiming that GPS signals are commonly dropped in city-centres. Do you have any statistics to back this up or are you just making statistics up for the sake of argument?

Every source about the benefits of assisted GPS.

I also like how you added your own BS explanation of what "accuracy" is. Saying less lag is more accurate is like saying a faster car is more accurate than a slower car for getting from point A to point B.

Your analogy makes no sense.

When the GPS signal is dropped, your position is no longer being tracked. Then it takes minutes to reestablish the GPS signal without any other means to track you position.

With assisted GPS, the dropped signal is reestablished faster (within seconds), the signal is dropped less often, and your position is still tracked despite no GPS signal being available.

What makes Assisted-GPS work so well is that the wireless network, using its own GPS receivers, as well as an estimate of the handset's location down to cell/sector, can predict with great accuracy the GPS signal the handset will receive and send that information to the handset. With this assistance the size of the search space is greatly reduced and the time-to-first-fix (TTFF) shortened from minutes to seconds. In addition, an A-GPS receiver in the handset can detect and demodulate signals that are order of magnitude weaker than those required by conventional GPS receivers.

http://www.gps-practice-and-fun.com/a-gps.html

Did you even read the link you posted? Nowhere in there does it claim that A-GPS uses cellular data to increase accuracy. Instead, the cellular related technologies work on their own to provide inaccurate estimates.

A-GPS location solution, which takes advantage of the complementary nature of both network and GPS solutions by using both cellular/wireless network information and the satellite-based GPS information to directly improve the positioning availability, sensitivity, accuracy and time-to-fix.

http://www.gps-practice-and-fun.com/a-gps.html

GPS accuracy? less than 10m.

When used in combination accuracy is increased because, in reality, GPS signals are often dropped due to no direct line of sight to GPS satellites, which often occurs in city centres, tunnels, indoors, and densely forested areas.

Even your link states that assisted GPS provides tighter resolution.

Here is another source:

GPS accuracy is affected by a number of factors, including satellite positions, noise in the radio signal, atmospheric conditions, and natural barriers to the signal. Noise can create an error between 1 to 10 meters and results from static or interference from something near the receiver or something on the same frequency. Objects such a mountains or buildings between the satellite and the receiver can also produce error, sometimes up to 30 meters. The most accurate determination of position occurs when the satellite and receiver have a clear view of each other and no other objects interfere.

Obviously, mountains and clouds can not be controlled or moved, nor can interference and blockage from buildings always be prevented. These factors then, will affect GPS accuracy. To overcome or get around these factors, other technology, AGPS, DGPS, and WAAS, has been developed to aid in determining an accurate location.

AGPS (Assisted Global Positioning System) is a system that assists conventional GPS when reception of the radio signal from the satellite is poor or non-existent (line of sight is blocked). To aid in GPS accuracy, the A-GPS gains information via a wireless network, such as the GPS receivers on cell towers, to relay the satellite information to the receiver. With this assistance, the GPS doesn't have to calculate the satellite's orbit, which shortens initialization time, and increases battery life.

http://www.maps-gps-info.com/gps-accuracy.html

 

[rhinosrcool]

The fact is, price does matter. Android products are ever growing. Also, Apple's quarterly earning's report reflected the missed predictions for the new (retina) iPad. So, a sub-$300 tablet could have made a larger impact than $329.00.

My gut (I know not scientific) says that, during the holiday season, android products (especially tablets) will increase their market share. Jelly Bean is a vast improvement over ICS. KLP looks to be even better. All of this means that Android's ecosystem becomes embedded in more customers' lives (this is many people's argument for sticking with Apple).

For me, I have an iPad 2 (fantastic device) and a Nexus 7 (another sweet device). But, I was really looking forward to an iPad mini. With it's current price point, I will wait. So, very possibly, this will result in a new android tablet being introduced and swaying me in that direction. We shall see...

 

[aluren]

$329 to me is still in impulse buy territory. Just think of the price of an iPhone or iPod touch, they are all within those price points and have been the key revenue generators for Apple in the last 10 years. I don't look at this as $329 vs. sub-$300 tablets, but more so $329 vs. $499 current gen iPad. If the mini can successfully cannibalize the big iPad sales, then I think it's done its job.

 

[Purant]

If the mini can successfully cannibalize the big iPad sales, then I think it's done its job.

That can only work for Apple's favor of they have bigger profit margins with the mini.

...which they probably do.

 

[Seiga]

The fact is, price does matter. Android products are ever growing. Also, Apple's quarterly earning's report reflected the missed predictions for the new (retina) iPad. So, a sub-$300 tablet could have made a larger impact than $329.00.

My gut (I know not scientific) says that, during the holiday season, android products (especially tablets) will increase their market share. Jelly Bean is a vast improvement over ICS. KLP looks to be even better. All of this means that Android's ecosystem becomes embedded in more customers' lives (this is many people's argument for sticking with Apple).

For me, I have an iPad 2 (fantastic device) and a Nexus 7 (another sweet device). But, I was really looking forward to an iPad mini. With it's current price point, I will wait. So, very possibly, this will result in a new android tablet being introduced and swaying me in that direction. We shall see...

No offense... But how do know what KLP looks like? Google hasn't announced anything and there are no leaks. Also 4.2 android is still Jelly Bean.

 

[mcman77]

Cheap small tablets (Google Nexus 7 etc.) are sold basically at cost price and money is made from download of content. Apple doesn't work like that and makes money on hardware+software therefore the higher price for iPad mini..

whats the 30% share they take from the app store all about then?

 

[rhinosrcool]

No offense... But how do know what KLP looks like? Google hasn't announced anything and there are no leaks. Also 4.2 android is still Jelly Bean.

http://www.pc-tablet.com/7693-andro...on-center-project-roadrunner-enhanced-google/

This is only one example.

 

[macingman]

whats the 30% share they take from the app store all about then?

What I was saying is that Apple doesn't just rely on profit from the content they take money from both the content sales and the hardware.

Apple would never sell a product at cost price and rely on just content sales for a profit, if they did that they would be worth significantly less than they are today.

The only reason a company like Google can sell at cost price is because they make money from many other revenue streams. Although Apple can make money from content (iTunes, apps etc) the amount Apple turns over in content is much less than Google does as Google does advertising etc.

 

[Seiga]

http://www.pc-tablet.com/7693-andro...on-center-project-roadrunner-enhanced-google/

This is only one example.

Features might be true. But actual screen shots of the Nexus 10 show Jelly Bean running 4.2.

 

[munkery]

iPad mini vs Nexus 7 (wifi only comparison)

Nexus 7 (GPS but no rear camera) = always chasing the ladies but never getting them home to make friendly home videos.

iPad mini (rear camera but no GPS) = ladies you ain't even chasing be coming over to add to your collection.

Sup! That's what it is, boys.

Peace out.

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Disclaimer: this post shouldn't be taken seriously; it is only meant for comedic purposes.

 

[Ryan John]

I see no reason to moan about the price. Apple 101, If a mug is willing to pay over the odds, take his money. Always have done, always will. Believe me, I've been that mug way too many times.

 

[DVD9]

$249 should have been the cost. $50 more than comp. $329 is a kick in the junk

What do think is on the kitchen floor of Jony Ivy's new $18 million mansion? It's not plastic tiles from Home Depot.

 

[Newbie MacUser]

Well Said Great Post!

Thanks for appreciating the comment. It's really important to step back and put everything in perspective, especially now when it feels like almost anything Apple puts out will get eaten up by the consumer (ie. iPad Mini in white is facing shipping delays now).

 

[Idefix]

Has anybody noticed that Apple is now shipping refurb iPad 3 for $379?

Seems to me that would be the way to go???

 

[smellysox8]

Has anybody noticed that Apple is now shipping refurb iPad 3 for $379?

Seems to me that would be the way to go???

I'll take a brand new Nexus 10 for $20 more.

 

[mantan]

Nexus dropped the new priciing on the N7

16 gig wifi - $199
32 gig wifi - $249
32 gig 3g/HPSA+ $299

It makes for an interesting decision.

I love my Apple devices, but I'm just looking for something to use when I travel for work to watch Netflix, surf the web, read a book and basic apps (banking, social media, email, etc). $299 for a 32 gig device WITH cellular connectivity seems VERY appealing...

 

[Hakone]

Ok, Apple is now officially acknowledging that it's a greedy money hungry company. I'm sorry but if you pay 329 for a 16GB mini you've either got more money than common sense or are a complete moron. That's friggin rediculous. WOW!

I'm betting that it's better engineered that its competitors. That means a lot for me even if i'd have to pay a premium.

 

[MikeAK]

I'll take a brand new Nexus 10 for $20 more.

I agree. That Nexus 10 looks pretty darn nice. Of course,most iSheeps will disagree.

 

[Deckard71]

Here it is 329€, so even worse... and people collapsing the online reserves, so 329$ sounds even cheap

 

[einmusiker]

we live in a country where people love to "pay for the name". APPL has done a fantastic job of building a brand. They did it by creating a superior product with superior customer service. They are now reaping the benefits of that. They took a chance and it worked. It doesn't work for every company though.

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Nexus dropped the new priciing on the N7

16 gig wifi - $199
32 gig wifi - $249
32 gig 3g/HPSA+ $299

It makes for an interesting decision.

I love my Apple devices, but I'm just looking for something to use when I travel for work to watch Netflix, surf the web, read a book and basic apps (banking, social media, email, etc). $299 for a 32 gig device WITH cellular connectivity seems VERY appealing...

I completely agree. For me it's about getting the features I need/want for a price that makes sense. I can't live without my macbook pro. But for phones android makes more sense for me. For tablet I have iPad because I want to take advantage of my unlimited verizon LTE, and boy do I, so the price is worth it on that.

 

[MisterDisney]

We live in a country where people are willing to pay for quality. (As long as) Apple will always make the best products, they will always price them at a premium. You buy them or you don't. But making wild claims that these Android tablets are better, is just foolish. They are cheaper, that's it.

 

[jimbo1mcm]

We live in a country where people are willing to pay for quality. (As long as) Apple will always make the best products, they will always price them at a premium. You buy them or you don't. But making wild claims that these Android tablets are better, is just foolish. They are cheaper, that's it.

Chevys and Mercedes

 

[Rogifan]

whats the 30% share they take from the app store all about then?

That basically covers the cost of running the iTunes App Store business. I doubt they're making much profit on it.

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That can only work for Apple's favor of they have bigger profit margins with the mini.

...which they probably do.

According to Apple on their investor call the mini has the lowest margins of any of their products. So unless their CFO is lying to Wall Street they didn't price it at $329 so they could maintain fat profit margins.

 

[henryonapple]

Ok, Apple is now officially acknowledging that it's a greedy money hungry company. I'm sorry but if you pay 329 for a 16GB mini you've either got more money than common sense or are a complete moron. That's friggin rediculous. WOW!

still almost $200 cheaper than the regular iPad though