Nah, Apple has changed from an innovative computer maker to a luxury goods retailer. It's that simple.
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32GB RAM MacBook Pro release - when?
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Nah, Apple has changed from an innovative computer maker to a luxury goods retailer. It's that simple.
Apple is nothing more than a flogger of fong kong luxury devices that cost way too much and do so little...basically nice shiny hunk of junk devices!!!
I want to say that Apple under Cook went from innovators to profiteers, but that’s not true at the internal level. A-series SoCs are pretty amazing. Some of the other custom hardware they use internally is pretty neat.
If Apple ditched Intel on the desktop, they’d give up the x86 “ecosystem”. Maybe it’s time, though. Who still buys Apple because of Bootcamp? What developers are making apps for macOS and not using Apple’s toolchain? What apps would they lose? How much harder would porting games and other x86 optimized apps be?
The most important question: if Apple transitioned to using fully custom desktop hardware, could they keep pace with Intel year-over-year? Would they need to?
I really don't care about desktops, the trash can was junk the day it was demo'ed on stage..bad design, bad parts, out of date before you unboxed it...and this was what Apple considered innovative!!!
The ifone is stupid, the mac air, pro are the same thing..a pro laptop in 13 inches is not pro..Apple does not want to innovate, that would cost too much.. much cheaper to flog old parts as new...A 2017 laptop is 4 years out of date the day you buy it...
The ifone is stupid, the mac air, pro are the same thing..a pro laptop in 13 inches is not pro..Apple does not want to innovate, that would cost too much.. much cheaper to flog old parts as new...A 2017 laptop is 4 years out of date the day you buy it...
Agree. The Darth Vader trash can was and is an abomination. The cheese grater MacPro remains an example of some of the best industrial design. Superb materials, functional, well designed, and rock solid.
This x 1000.
But I do get it - these are fan boys. They argue because Apple is always right. When Apple eventually does offer a 32GB machine they will about face and argue about how wonderful it is that MBP's have 32GB now.
Most of us are not saying this. 32 GB would be a nice addition. If the battery life, size and weight do not suffer, I would NEVER argue for even 128GB of RAM on a laptop. However, if they were to include 32GB of desktop class DDR4, they would not have two separate systems, logic boards, chassis, ... just for 32GB. So those of us with 16 GB would suffer because it would be 16GB of DDR4 instead of LPDDR4. Apple is already making a mess out of their product lines, we do not need two separate variations of the MacBook Pro with LPDDR memory and DDR4 memory. So they would make it all DDR4. Therefore, we need to wait until Intel supports 32GB of LPDDR4 in their processors before we can see them.
So as of right now, it would not be possible or it would hurt those wanting only 8/16 GB. It doesn’t matter if it is 8 GB of DDR4 or 32GB of DDR4, the battery impact will be about the same. All we can do is complain to Intel and hope they get their act together in order to support higher amounts of LPDDR.
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Most of are are not saying 32GB is forbidden in a laptop. As I said above, if the size, weight, and battery life do not suffer, I would never argue of even having 128 GB of RAM on a laptop. It makes zero sense to forbid 32GB of RAM on a laptop. As long as battery life, size and weight do not suffer.
Well, they've gone after where the money is, and that ain't in bleeding edge computers that will only be purchased by a relatively small number of specialists... so I guess we're both right in a way?
Most top tier PC manufacturers have offered 32GB in a laptop since 2016. Apple is being reckless and stubborn to not introduce this as a base model. If they can make the iPad thicker then they can do the same with the MBP. 16GB is the new 640K and Apple is trying to be like Billy Gates of 1981.
Unless they plan to update them in November with the iMac Pro, they will potentially offer their Pro laptops with BTO ram Q12018.
that's my opinion. then again, nobody in this thread works for apple, and those who do: can't say or simply dont know
Don't you love rumor sites
They can do it, it's just whether there's a market for it to get them a return on their investment... of people who need 32GB ram, just those who need 32gb ram but for whom a relatively weak H series mobile chip and mid tier at best GPU would be ok, and of those people, the ones who would pay more for a MacBook pro over an iMac with ultimately better specs because mobility is that important to them... as @xWhiplash said, it's not a case of adding another 16GB ram chips, the whole logic board would have to be completely remodelled to use DDR4 rather than LPDDR3 ram and god knows what other changes, all for a computer that'd probably be limited to a very small market...
Apple are not interested in software, they are not interested in hardware other than the toilet accessory--the ifone...laptops, imacs, desktops, this is not the business of apple..Apple clearly demonstrates by killing off 17inch laptops, delaying for a decade decent hardware for video/audio professionals...Then creating the garbage trash can...
Apple used to have great software, final cut pro, logic, etc, and the training certificate meant something..Now that is a joke, Apple handed over training to some moron who does not see any benefit...If your shop had a mac, you were the best in town, now if your shop has a Dell, you are the best in town..Why..Better to hack than to buy genuine...
Apple only sells fong kong, fake goods...The fakes are better than the real deal...
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So you price to compete, if that costs $3000, it will sell for $3000, those that want will pay the apple tax...Intel are not being forced to design anything..they are so slow at design, really in 2017, we should be looking at what is beyond 64Bit...yet we operate in a 32bit dominated society...Apple has totally lost the desire to innovate...They churn out garbage year after year...What really is the difference between an air and a pro???
Apple used to have great software, final cut pro, logic, etc, and the training certificate meant something..Now that is a joke, Apple handed over training to some moron who does not see any benefit...If your shop had a mac, you were the best in town, now if your shop has a Dell, you are the best in town..Why..Better to hack than to buy genuine...
Apple only sells fong kong, fake goods...The fakes are better than the real deal...
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So you price to compete, if that costs $3000, it will sell for $3000, those that want will pay the apple tax...Intel are not being forced to design anything..they are so slow at design, really in 2017, we should be looking at what is beyond 64Bit...yet we operate in a 32bit dominated society...Apple has totally lost the desire to innovate...They churn out garbage year after year...What really is the difference between an air and a pro???
Considering what Apple under Tim Cook has done with Macs and notebooks, if some outfit or company figures out how to build a quality hardware running a good software at a price lower than Apple, I'm abandoning Apple for good. It's the lack of better alternative that makes me buy Apple every few years.
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What has Tim Cook done that is better than the versions under the late Steve Jobs?? Tim has made things worse...killed off viable lines of product, granted might not have sold in the billions of units, but would have sold enough..
What Tim Cook has done is killed off innovation at AMD, Intel, Corsair, Kingston, Crucial, G-Skill, HyperX, to name a few found on newegg..The point is Corsair, Kingston, Crucial, G-Skill, HyperX, I am sure would love to design something new, the shape, the design is almost 50 years old, nothing new there..nothing innovative.
Intel has zero reason to innovate, Apple is happy to buy garbage, and Intel along with memory manufacturers, are happy to supply garbage... Tim is very quickly killing off any reason to invest in upgrades, a new mac laptop that is released for sale in 2018 is at least 5 years out of date, it is just a rehash of the same tired design that Steve would have approved of years before he died..Apple is 20 years out of date...The last great update was the introduction of the 17inch MacBook pro..After that just garbage...
What Tim Cook has done is killed off innovation at AMD, Intel, Corsair, Kingston, Crucial, G-Skill, HyperX, to name a few found on newegg..The point is Corsair, Kingston, Crucial, G-Skill, HyperX, I am sure would love to design something new, the shape, the design is almost 50 years old, nothing new there..nothing innovative.
Intel has zero reason to innovate, Apple is happy to buy garbage, and Intel along with memory manufacturers, are happy to supply garbage... Tim is very quickly killing off any reason to invest in upgrades, a new mac laptop that is released for sale in 2018 is at least 5 years out of date, it is just a rehash of the same tired design that Steve would have approved of years before he died..Apple is 20 years out of date...The last great update was the introduction of the 17inch MacBook pro..After that just garbage...
With how different it would necessarily be Apple would likely make a single top end configuration, meaning you’d have to max everything else out first, then it’d probably be a good $400-500 upgrade judging by what they charge for going from 8-16 gig on the 13” model - probably more like $4,000 if they went with 1tb storage or even $4500 to $5000 if they make it 2tb and or have to cover the extra design and manufacturing costs of a significantly different model that won’t sell in great numbers. So iMac Pro money for something in a different league to an iMac Pro!
i use up 16 gb when I have 5-6 micro services running through and IDE. And I need to run all 26 of them at once.
I have no idea what a 17inch retina or better MacBook pro with 6 to 8 slots of 8GB DDR3L SO-DIMM RAM modules.. My 1st mac laptop had slide in RAM slots, when I ordered it, it was shipped with 2x 1GB, and I upgraded to the max a few months later, for really not much apple tax...
So year paying $4000 for a basic 17inch laptop with as basic hard drive, after all, you don't need mega internal stuff...Then later post purchase, upgrade to 32 or 64 or better RAM...After all RAM is the bottleneck, the GPU is what it is...could be better...
The moral of the message is this..Apple has zero desire for risk, no desire, none..The costs to design, test, a 17incg mac laptop is going to cost $100's of millions to do, I get that, there is zero demand, I get that...
32GB laptop is 20-50 years away for Apple...this is never going to happen...maybe it might...but the costs..why..who wants 32GB RAM?
Apple already hobble the ifone, the phone is problematic, 2 reasons, not enough RAM, and the OS is full of dead code...The both mobile and desktop are using stale technology, nothing new has been released since the launch of iOS...it is old and mouldy, we are on a path to ruin...How can no one see this???
So year paying $4000 for a basic 17inch laptop with as basic hard drive, after all, you don't need mega internal stuff...Then later post purchase, upgrade to 32 or 64 or better RAM...After all RAM is the bottleneck, the GPU is what it is...could be better...
The moral of the message is this..Apple has zero desire for risk, no desire, none..The costs to design, test, a 17incg mac laptop is going to cost $100's of millions to do, I get that, there is zero demand, I get that...
32GB laptop is 20-50 years away for Apple...this is never going to happen...maybe it might...but the costs..why..who wants 32GB RAM?
Apple already hobble the ifone, the phone is problematic, 2 reasons, not enough RAM, and the OS is full of dead code...The both mobile and desktop are using stale technology, nothing new has been released since the launch of iOS...it is old and mouldy, we are on a path to ruin...How can no one see this???
This entire "Apple under Tim Cook is worse" needs to stop. It really does. We do not know what Steve would have done. His last few years were at the beginning of the decline for desktops and laptops for most people. Tablets became mature. Phones are now becoming mature.
Intel has not made any serious improvements in the past 7 years. The fact that I can keep using my 2010 Mac Pro to this day without sacrificing a lot of my time shows that the new processors are really only super improved on benchmarks. Sure, the fact that my 2010 Mac Pro does not have QuickSync and my laptop encodes videos in half the time is an improvement, but all Xeons suffer from what I recall.
Most people do not care if their encodes take 7 minutes or 9 minutes or 18 minutes. For those that do, they usually go for the 12-core Mac Pro 2010 or 2013 or a top end 2017 iMac. Depending on the software, a 2010 Mac Pro can still beat a 2017 iMac and 2013 Mac Pro.
So please, we do not know what Steve would have done during this mature desktop and laptop time where a 2010 Mac Pro is still relevant to this day.
Hopefully with AMD coming out of nowhere and giving Intel some serious competition FINALLY with Ryzen will make things improve.
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This is entirely false. Once Intel supports LPDDR in 32GB of RAM, we will see it in the laptops. Not Apple's problem, it is Intel. And no, using DDR4 desktop class RAM for just one configuration would not work. And it would cause those of us wanting only 8/16 to suffer.
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Look it is very simple, Apple since the demise of Steve Jobs/the rise of Jony Ive, has seen a decline in the quality of product, that is simple fact.
There is nothing logical about the the banning of post purchase upgrading. That was a great concept, sure it prevent the purchase of hardware from once every 3 years to once every 6 or more years, but you could buy parts from Apple, internal fans, logic boards, RAM, hard drives, the point was a viable post purchase market was working, now that is obsolete.
The fact we cannot remove parts and replace was not due to technical reasons, it was a pure business reason, no different to airlines making you pay for headphones when you could use your own, pure profit.
Post purchase was basically what is called apple tax, you buy low and pay high for goods to upgrade, and I am totally fine with this, I would happily pay $1000 for my hunk of junk to be upgraded from 8 to more than 8g RAM..
So has tim made good business sense, yes totally for the shareholders, but the consumer, really he has committed a fraud, and that is what it is, blatant fraud, I would equally pay $1000 to join a class action against Apple for the fraud, there is no way my MacBook pro should be so ineffective, it should be upgradable, it is basically landfill!!
People do care if when trying to do something, they are beach balled constantly, having RAM issues, when for $500 for more RAM, this would not solve, but help the hardware cope, it matters not if the hardware is iMac/trash can/laptop!
You may hate my words, and that is fine, I really don't care much for what you post, it is not about you, or me, it is about the trash served up by apple, and for the most part it is junk. Intel are simply responding to what tim/jony ask, if they want junk, intel delivers junk..intel are not forced to produce anything that will not be sold..why bother...simple is cheaper/sells fast and returns are great.
The fact is, we are long past the point of 8 and 16g being the standard, moore's law if you understand how this works really we should be actually seeing the back end of 64bit and looking at 128bit as the standard...It is that fast according to moore's law!
The fact laptops are not post purchase upgradable is a stupid joke, long before 64bit we had post purchase, this was the standard of computers going back to the 1970's, it was what created many companies we use today, I would hate to think if Crucial/Kingston etc trying to start in 2017, when there is no post purchase upgrading process...
OWC, Newegg again examples of online merchants that offer post purchase upgrading, I am sure they are as angry with Apple as many users are, they are loosing a valuable revenue stream...2012 was the last time you could post purchase bog standard laptops, for the most part, that is 75% of a decade ago....
So please explain how apple under tim/jony is better???
There is nothing logical about the the banning of post purchase upgrading. That was a great concept, sure it prevent the purchase of hardware from once every 3 years to once every 6 or more years, but you could buy parts from Apple, internal fans, logic boards, RAM, hard drives, the point was a viable post purchase market was working, now that is obsolete.
The fact we cannot remove parts and replace was not due to technical reasons, it was a pure business reason, no different to airlines making you pay for headphones when you could use your own, pure profit.
Post purchase was basically what is called apple tax, you buy low and pay high for goods to upgrade, and I am totally fine with this, I would happily pay $1000 for my hunk of junk to be upgraded from 8 to more than 8g RAM..
So has tim made good business sense, yes totally for the shareholders, but the consumer, really he has committed a fraud, and that is what it is, blatant fraud, I would equally pay $1000 to join a class action against Apple for the fraud, there is no way my MacBook pro should be so ineffective, it should be upgradable, it is basically landfill!!
People do care if when trying to do something, they are beach balled constantly, having RAM issues, when for $500 for more RAM, this would not solve, but help the hardware cope, it matters not if the hardware is iMac/trash can/laptop!
You may hate my words, and that is fine, I really don't care much for what you post, it is not about you, or me, it is about the trash served up by apple, and for the most part it is junk. Intel are simply responding to what tim/jony ask, if they want junk, intel delivers junk..intel are not forced to produce anything that will not be sold..why bother...simple is cheaper/sells fast and returns are great.
The fact is, we are long past the point of 8 and 16g being the standard, moore's law if you understand how this works really we should be actually seeing the back end of 64bit and looking at 128bit as the standard...It is that fast according to moore's law!
The fact laptops are not post purchase upgradable is a stupid joke, long before 64bit we had post purchase, this was the standard of computers going back to the 1970's, it was what created many companies we use today, I would hate to think if Crucial/Kingston etc trying to start in 2017, when there is no post purchase upgrading process...
OWC, Newegg again examples of online merchants that offer post purchase upgrading, I am sure they are as angry with Apple as many users are, they are loosing a valuable revenue stream...2012 was the last time you could post purchase bog standard laptops, for the most part, that is 75% of a decade ago....
So please explain how apple under tim/jony is better???
They're not upgradable because people value thinness and lightness over the ability to upgrade things themselves. It's just what the market dictates.
Why 32 or 64GB of RAM is not available soldered to the board? Who knows. Other laptops using the same chipsets can support 64GB of RAM, so it might be a packaging issue? Maybe they don't see enough people springing for maxxed RAM as is? I mean most people who buy Apple laptops probably only FaceBook anyway.
Why 32 or 64GB of RAM is not available soldered to the board? Who knows. Other laptops using the same chipsets can support 64GB of RAM, so it might be a packaging issue? Maybe they don't see enough people springing for maxxed RAM as is? I mean most people who buy Apple laptops probably only FaceBook anyway.
No it is not upgradable because someone at apple made a business decision to ban post purchase upgrading, there is nothing to prevent apple from making a logic board with post purchase slot/slots for RAM! It is not a technical issue, the previous version with post purchase slots was not all that tall, the battery was big, the super drive was the problem, now that is obsolete, there is nothing from stopping the MacBook pro from being 15 and 17 inches, 5mm taller with a way to post purchase upgrade from the installed 1x8g RAM to 4x16g RAM for laptops.
If apple unbanned post purchase, kingston/crucial would create ram to fit, the shape might change, it matters not the shape, the function matters... there is no technical reason to abuse solder like apple has post 2012!!
Sure for the air maybe...the pro...where many have qualified in house technical staff, that are trained and skilled to handle in house repair, what again is the technical reason for the banning of post purchase upgrading????
If apple unbanned post purchase, kingston/crucial would create ram to fit, the shape might change, it matters not the shape, the function matters... there is no technical reason to abuse solder like apple has post 2012!!
Sure for the air maybe...the pro...where many have qualified in house technical staff, that are trained and skilled to handle in house repair, what again is the technical reason for the banning of post purchase upgrading????
I wonder if any of the pros who are good with a soldering iron have manually installed 32GB just to see what happens.
I am sure they have, if I could find someone successful at this, I would pay $1000 for this success to be shared with my laptop...