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3D CSS Effects in Snow Leopard Safari, And More on Future of Video and Flash?
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Well seeing as this sites member list contains a high level of developers and real designers in comparison to a microsoft fansite that is to be expected.
The mind boggles that you feel the need to comment without reading the article. This is a proposed extension to CSS3 which is still in the process of becoming a standard at some point in the future. People are supporting having this added to the CSS3 standard.
You are the one who should be reading more carefully.
A *proposed* standard is not a standard. Just because 3 guys from Apple have submitted it to W3C does not make it a standard.
It is *currently* supported in the Safari builds - which makes it a non-standard proprietary extension. Which means web pages that only work on Safari, which means more balkanization of the web, not less.
IE7 and IE8 have that in the "manage add-ons" pane. You get a list of addons, and you can MB3-click on them to enable/disable.
Flash is normally "disabled" for me. Usually when I see the "flash needed" screen I'll surf elsewhere - if I'm interested in the page, though, I'll click "enable" and continue.
Sometimes I notice that surfing is very slow - and then I notice that I forgot to disable flash and all that crap is downloading.
yeah right.
MOzilla proposed a 3D standard
Google came up with another one
Apple came up with another one.
we can argue about which is better for another 20 years, the guy with largest marketshare at the time of implementation wins.
The fragmentation of W3C already crippled HTML 5 video tag. Now even more fragmentation. With no sincere negotiation, 3D? another failure waiting in line.
I gotta give apple credit tho, obviously they know how to follow the flashy new stuff.
MOzilla proposed a 3D standard
Google came up with another one
Apple came up with another one.
we can argue about which is better for another 20 years, the guy with largest marketshare at the time of implementation wins.
The fragmentation of W3C already crippled HTML 5 video tag. Now even more fragmentation. With no sincere negotiation, 3D? another failure waiting in line.
I gotta give apple credit tho, obviously they know how to follow the flashy new stuff.
You might want to read up on what web-kit nightly builds are actually used for before making another idiotic post.
In all due respects, MPEG Group are a pack of as*holes; we're not talking about encoding, we're just talking about playback. Why not allow people to play it back for free but charge for encoders? this truly is yet another money grab from an organisation who seem to a desire to want a death warrant plastered to their forehead.
This whole problem could be solved by allow playback to be free and encoders to pay royalties - but nope! we can't have that because the MPEG group are run by scumbags who thinks that everyone is on $120,000, live in 5 bed room houses and keep this mansion warm by burning $100 notes on the gold plated open fire.
If MPEG disappeared tomorrow along with Adobe, the world would be a much better place.
That is why I specifically referred to the Snow Leopard Safari build, and not web-kit.
At this stage in testing, one would assume that appearance in the full 10.6 builds is a sign that it will ship with 10.6.
Excuse me!? You clearly have absolutely no idea what-so-ever. I work day in and day out with Flash. It takes a huge amount of education and design skill to be able to reach Flash's full potential. Yes it is too often used by people that have clearly picked up an illegal copy and have thrown something haphazardly together. Sites like this are easy to spot by those of us that know what we're doing. They are not reflective of what the upper end of Flash designers can do.
I can assure you that Flash is not going to go anywhere. The people I work with everyday, Universal Pictures, Paramount Pictures, Disney, Warner Bros.....I could go on and on, are more than happy creating movie based experiences on the web in Flash.
The patent-fear regarding Theora is not really valid. Sure, there might be submarine-patents in it, but h.264 is just as vulnerable to them.
The only valid argument is the lack of hardware-acceleration. But I bet that if Theora was made standard, everyone would be scrambling to provide hardware-support for it.
It's a real shame if the web came to the point where you need to license proprietary technology if you want to implement a HTML-renderer... How could you then create a free standards-compliant web-browser? You couldn't.
The only valid argument is the lack of hardware-acceleration. But I bet that if Theora was made standard, everyone would be scrambling to provide hardware-support for it.
It's a real shame if the web came to the point where you need to license proprietary technology if you want to implement a HTML-renderer... How could you then create a free standards-compliant web-browser? You couldn't.
New forum user here and I haven't read through the entire discussion, so I apologize if my question has been addressed before.
Why should HTML5's video tag care about the format of the incoming video? The IMG tag doesn't care about the incoming image format. It's the browser's job to detect the format and display it accordingly. If the browsers want to support video, then they have to support 3-4 video formats the way they support some number of image formats for IMG. It should not be the W3C's job to bless one format over another. Let the browsers add what format supports they want and let the marketplace sort it out.
Why should HTML5's video tag care about the format of the incoming video? The IMG tag doesn't care about the incoming image format. It's the browser's job to detect the format and display it accordingly. If the browsers want to support video, then they have to support 3-4 video formats the way they support some number of image formats for IMG. It should not be the W3C's job to bless one format over another. Let the browsers add what format supports they want and let the marketplace sort it out.
Hmm, I really like Flash for many things, but I would never consider using it as a website solution; it's an animation tool! It's for making animations or games, not the rest of the nonsense people use it for.
Actionscript however is a VERY nice compared with javascript, support for Actionscript in future browsers would be awesome for developing in that area.
I'm very excited about these 3D CSS effects, though mainly for eye-candy; as I still fully intend to develop my site to work as ordinary HTML as well, though I've still yet to find a way to centre the damned thing properly what with CSS' terrible positioning abilities.
Actionscript however is a VERY nice compared with javascript, support for Actionscript in future browsers would be awesome for developing in that area.
I'm very excited about these 3D CSS effects, though mainly for eye-candy; as I still fully intend to develop my site to work as ordinary HTML as well, though I've still yet to find a way to centre the damned thing properly what with CSS' terrible positioning abilities.
So do I!!!
On the long term, I wish the whole Web can get rid of Flash...
Only for now, lots of Web sites are a no go on the iPhone/iPod...
More as a "adapt it as a standard" viewpoint. The main difference here is that we're not installing a new plugin i.e. Flash or Silverlight—we're using CSS.
(Not saying it is definitely good though... it *can* get heavy on the CPU.)
Get flashblock. There's one for safari too if that's what you're thinking.
Might I add that Apple "created" webkit from KHTML in the first place and funded/supported it's development? (i.e. they didn't "follow" this time...)
PS. But you're right... They sure know how to present it nicely though.
That it *might* ship with 10.6. Again, definition of "build". (And also it's not an RC yet.)
Well, those "nerds" are actually creating the content that's going to end up in your flash video (or on whatever support)...
And they're mad...
Seriously, they want some serious alternatives and that's what CSS/JS/Web standards are...
I fail to see how the video tag is crippled, since it works just fine. Is the img tag crippled because the standard doesn't specify image formats?
You're right... However, this was a Proof-Of-Concept written in 3 nights by the developer... I'm sure if he was writing something intended to be reused by other people, he would have taken care of that edge case.
Again, it's *not* about Apple's own standards, it's about creating and supporting new open *standards*, which, by definition, should be use by the majority and should be (or become) the norm. Nothing to do with Apple (except for the fact that Apple are wiling so comply to those futures standards)
But I guess this could go on forever...
Of course, this doesn't apply to MS as they have their own way to spell "standards"...
And new (flash) designers can't code... And 90% of them seems to know nothing about efficiency...
Windows isn't the preferred OS? Wow, I guess I missed the news that Apple now has a larger market share than Microsoft.
The real question is, if Flash is so terrible, how did it become so widely used? Why do video hosting sites and news sites and entertainment sites continue to post their videos in Flash format? Why haven't the users of the internet stood up to protest such a horrible video format?
Your questions are essentially one and the same. You really need to read up on the history of the computer industry and how Windows and their OEM contracts came about with the history of software, and OSs, and the web with video formats etc.
I never said Apple has the majority market share of OSs. But PREFERRED and MAJORITY market share are to VERY DIFFERENT things. Do some reading and you will see why the world got LOCKED IN to Windows and the web to Flash.
