3D Touch in iPhone 6s is a 'Breakthrough,' Was 'Really Hard' to Make

[ks-man]

Can you please actually quote Jobs actual words and not your fabulation of them.

Sorry, my saying that he called them awful is way, way off-base.

"Who wants a stylus? You have to get em', put em' away. You lose them. Yuck."

http://www.theverge.com/2015/9/9/9298117/apple-pencil-stylus-ipad-pro-steve-jobs

He also said "If you see a stylus they blew it"

 

[rantor49]

Glad to see Apple squeezed in the optical stabilization feature into the smaller iPhone 6S. As a heavy photo and video user, that's gonna be the killer feature for me. #ByeBlurryPics

The new 6S does not have optical image stabilization. Only the 6s+ again.

 

[lincolntran]

We thought they'd never copy the finger print sensor successfully but they essentially completely copied the whole thing, even down to the screen which maps the finger print has you calibrate it!

For the finger print, they used an off the shelves product and use software to compensate for the lack of quality hardware. In the end, it looks like it work but it miles behind Touch ID.

 

[blackcrayon]

I have an iPhone 5 that could do the same thing if they changed the way you move icons.

This isn't revolutionary or magical, context dropdown menus have existed for decades.

Not revolutionary or magical, but evolutionary and pretty cool If you can't ima

Sorry, my saying that he called them awful is way, way off-base.

"Who wants a stylus? You have to get em', put em' away. You lose them. Yuck."

http://www.theverge.com/2015/9/9/9298117/apple-pencil-stylus-ipad-pro-steve-jobs

He also said "If you see a stylus they blew it"

Which product was he introducing when he talked about those things?

The iPhone.

Which product from Apple still does not include or need a stylus?

The iPhone.

You're saying Jobs' quote applies to product categories that didn't even exist when he made the claim? Also, most people with 1/2 a brain or more assumed he was referring to devices that *required* a stylus for normal use (like many of the "smart"phones around 2007), rather than as an optional accessory. The fact that this needs explaining over and over again... Wow.

 

[Surf Donkey]

Not revolutionary or magical, but evolutionary and pretty cool If you can't ima


Which product was he introducing when he talked about those things?

The iPhone.

Which product from Apple still does not include or need a stylus?

The iPhone.

You're saying Jobs' quote applies to product categories that didn't even exist when he made the claim? Also, most people with 1/2 a brain or more assumed he was referring to devices that *required* a stylus for normal use (like many of the "smart"phones around 2007), rather than as an optional accessory. The fact that this needs explaining over and over again... Wow.

So screen size dictates to when a stylus is allowable? The Note screen is pretty big and the stylus is optional. So are we done laughing at this now? Or are we just writing off everything Steve said now that it is convenient.

 

[iKrivetko]

Don't be ridiculous, chaps. When SJ said "who needs a stylus", the idea was that the stylus as the primary input device is extremely inconvenient, which still stands true to this day, and the fact that some use cases require more precision than a finger would allow does not make the stylus any more usable for anything else than the comparatively narrow group of applications that benefit from the precision of a stylus.

 

[D.T.]

The fact that this needs explaining over and over again... Wow.

Based on the post _after_ this one, you'll need to repeat it ... one more time

 

[ks-man]

Which product was he introducing when he talked about those things?

The iPhone.

Which product from Apple still does not include or need a stylus?

The iPhone.

You're saying Jobs' quote applies to product categories that didn't even exist when he made the claim? Also, most people with 1/2 a brain or more assumed he was referring to devices that *required* a stylus for normal use (like many of the "smart"phones around 2007), rather than as an optional accessory. The fact that this needs explaining over and over again... Wow.

You're coming into the second half of a conversation and ignoring the first half. I agree that Jobs's comments regarding the stylus might certainly have changed over the years with technology. My original point was in the claim that Samsung would steal Apple's 3d touch idea and the implication that Apple doesn't do the exact same thing. Jobs's comments merely illustrate that the Apple Pencil is not something that Apple has been working on for many years yet rather took the ideas of other companies and rebranded it as their own. Very similar to what Samsung and virtually all other companies do.

 

[Surf Donkey]

Based on the post _after_ this one, you'll need to repeat it ... one more time

Yes, please do. Does the absence of a dialpad app dictate when a stylus is no longer lame?

 

[theman510]

All of the force touch features have already been done by Samsung differently it's known as Air View. You can preview weblinks and access other menus by hovering your finger over certain things on the screen, it works well but it's not necessary.

Just because Apple has taglined it "Force touch" doesn't make it new/unique or different from Air View

Video from very early 2013

As someone who had a Galaxy S4...this feature, while cool looking, very rarely worked and was buggy. I ended up disabling it

 

[budselectjr]

Does the haptic feedback work when typing? Or is there a option for that at least?

 

[prezasti]

To be fair everyone on here said Siri was just a gimmick, then Touch ID was just a gimmick, now 3D Touch is just a gimmick.

It seems to be mainly pushed by people who can't afford to upgrade so they want to convince themselves they don't need a new feature.

I love how you assume people believe a new feature is a gimmick, because they can't aford the new upgrade. I'm already on an order list thru AT&T business for a 6s 128gb, but I'm giving this phone to my wife. She has a 6, but the new new camera in the 6S is worth the upgrade, as she uses her phone a lot for action shots in the field.

Some of the features in the 6S warrant an upgrade, which is what the "S" line has always been. That doesn't mean we are wrong for feeling 3D touch isn't a major breakthrough in electronics. I would rather the 6s plus came with a built-in apple pen over 3D touch, as it would warrant me to upgrade my work phone. I'll stick with my note 3 for now, because I can be more productive with it.

 

[Dayv]

I think this feature is incredibly hard to fully understand in video. You can't tell how much pressure the user is exerting, so the transitions look arbitrarily timed and difficult to tell from a "long press" model. I'm not sure if this is a UI feature that will really catch on with most users, but I don't think anyone can really be certain until it gets into a whole bunch of users' hands.

 

[candle]

I've been replying to android fanboys all day that this is not like a long-hold press on their samsung phone.

I would think the long-hold press is more consistent and predictable, versus the force I would use on the icon. Maybe people will get used to it ... ?

 

[nviz22]

I have an iPhone 5 and i'm not 100% convinced I want to drop the mega bucks for these new iPhones. 3D touch, almost sounds like a Samsung gimic feature, is it really something you can't live without? Does it really add that much more quality? Does it really improve the user experience that much more compared to how we use our iPhones today? Think about it, I'm not sure it does overall.

As far as RAM, I'm sure if the phone had more than one gig Apple would have been more than eager to boast about it in the keynote, which they didn't, so I'll assume it doesn't.

Apple never boasts about RAM in their pressers. A 5 is outdated tech, my friend. A phone should have a lifespan of 2 years. Either you can subsidize your phone payments in zero interest monthly installments or sign a 2 year contract, so upgrading to another phone is not cumbersome at checkout. If you don't want the 6S or 6S+, get the iPhone 6/6+. Just do what you can do to upgrade because you're not going to be able to enjoy the features like Apple Pay, Touch ID, OIS camera, 4k camera, bigger screen w/ HD or FHD graphics, a 64 bit processor, etc. If it's not worth it to you, then upgrading to a cheaper device like the Moto X or Moto G would be fine for you.

 

[Dorje Sylas]

Does the haptic feedback work when typing? Or is there a option for that at least?

Now why didn't Apple show this off on stage. Hmm.... It keeps going to my point that Apple flubbed the messaging on this. The picked things to show that were both done (all be it with different input) by the competition, and were thoroughly mundane.

 

[RMXO]

Waiting for Samsung S Force, a blatant ripoff of 3D touch.

It's not like Apple isn't copying other OEM's for their new revolutionary magical products.

 

[nia820]

Samsung will clone this for the Galaxy line by the time their next models are released.

This technology already in the Galaxy line of phones and on every other android maker's line of high end android phones.

 

[smirking]

thats the rub right there. third party apps will they have access right away will they use it? every new thing is so slow to get going with apple. siri and touch id homekit and so forth.

One of the issues is that there aren't a lot of people out there who've had much experience with designing for force touch. It totally opens up a new world of possibilities for navigation so I find it very very intriguing. If the haptics work as described for feedback during navigation that'll open up a new world of UI/UX design.

 

[budselectjr]

Now why didn't Apple show this off on stage. Hmm.... It keeps going to my point that Apple flubbed the messaging on this. The picked things to show that were both done (all be it with different input) by the competition, and were thoroughly mundane.

I don't think that would make a good demo on stage as you have to feel it in your hands. They should have mentioned it though if it does. I haven't read many "hands on" articles yet so maybe it does. If Apple doesn't support it I'm sure it would be easy for one of the add-on keyboard apps to do it.

 

[kdarling]

Maybe because Huawei already introduced a phone with what they are calling "Force Touch"? Maybe Apple couldn't trademark Force Touch the way they wanted to but no one had "3D Touch"?

Very likely. As I noted in a recent post in another subforum here, the company that is assumed to supply Apple with their Mac touchpads has a trademark on "ForceTouch" (all one word). See below.

It's actually kind of surprising that this trademark was allowed, as the generic "force touch" phrase has long been used as one term for that kind of touchscreen, as opposed to resistive or capacitive. (Okay, not that surprising considering some other USPTO grants.)

Is it just me or is 3D touch just "force touch" with a different name?

Similar idea, but very different method.

• The previous force touch used on the Mac and Apple Watch apparently uses rigid touch surfaces pushing against edge located MEMS force sensors.
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• 3D Touch uses multiple strain gauges on the backlight to measure presses against a flexible glass display cover.

Btw, everyone from Samsung on down has patents on variations of touch force sensors, including one I found from Sharp that uses a similar flexible screen capacitive distance method.

So Apple probably wanted 1) their own to play with, partly so that 2) they don't have to pay royalties to anyone else.

 

[jrswizzle]

And people like you, who dismiss valid criticism and instead defend Apple unconditionally?

I think in this case people see it as a gimmick, something to differentiate Apple phones, but mostly for marketing reasons.

Of course Apple will sell millions, the question is, will they keep on selling millions going forward? With recent performance, that's in doubt right now.

Recent performance meaning iOS has never been stronger and continues to grow in the US and China?

Please....all most of this forum is is bashing a feature none of us have even used yet. I find it funny that when Samsung releases their slew of gimmicky shortcuts, people hail them for "trying new things". Apple's been working on this for years as a way to quicken interactions and add another dimension to interacting with your phone and "ya but we can already call folks, who needs to be able to 3D Touch for shortcuts".

"Widgets are amazing on Android - I can make calls directly frothe home screen and access info without opening the app."

"Psh, 3D Touch is a gimmick - I can just open the app the get to what I need."

The amount of hyperbole, ignorant bashing and hypocritical nonsense here is astounding. Although, I shouldn't be astounded.....seems like this forum has continued its downward trajectory since I left.

Whatever Huawei announced earlier this year is nonsense - being a Chinese company, it wouldn't surprise me in the slightest if they found out about Apple's plans and tried to jump them by ripping it off. Unfortunately for them, Apple has the implementation and quality to make this a truly transformative feature, whereas Huawei added it seemingly as an "ehh, you can use this or not".

At the end of the day, no one has used it. We're constantly on here crying about Apple not innovating, simply catching up. Where are the features we didn't know we needed until Apple showed us we did? And now that a feature is here that has that potential, we'e dismissing it before trying it?

 

[jrswizzle]

I hope not as it looks utter useless.

Lets not talk about how the iPad Pro is a blatant rip off of the Microsoft Surface Pro though eh?

A larger iPad is just like a hybrid 2-in-1 device?

Or maybe you mean the Smart Keyboard and Apple Pencil are blatant rip offs of the Surface accessories.....to which I would say, Microsoft didn't invent the stylus or the Bluetooth/external keyboard. And people have been begging Apple to make their own accessories like this because 3rd party ones just don't do.

 

[blackcrayon]

Recent performance meaning iOS has never been stronger and continues to grow in the US and China?

Please....all most of this forum is is bashing a feature none of us have even used yet. I find it funny that when Samsung releases their slew of gimmicky shortcuts, people hail them for "trying new things". Apple's been working on this for years as a way to quicken interactions and add another dimension to interacting with your phone and "ya but we can already call folks, who needs to be able to 3D Touch for shortcuts".
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At the end of the day, no one has used it. We're constantly on here crying about Apple not innovating, simply catching up. Where are the features we didn't know we needed until Apple showed us we did? And now that a feature is here that has that potential, we'e dismissing it before trying it?

I'm glad I have more imagination than a lot of the whiners. It's basically the same complaints people made over the original iPhone when they introduced a largely unknown capacitive screen with multitouch. There were people saying their old resistive Palm Treos and such could already basically do "all the same stuff". Apple is the only company right now that can introduce a new input method and actually have it adopted across their whole product line in a couple of years as a standard feature. That means something. 3D touch would be interesting even if only 3rd party apps could take advantage of it, especially if they can read a range of pressures.

 

[ArmCortexA8]

Let's face it 3d Touch is Apple's naming convention for shortcuts by screen. Are people really this damn lazy these days? Actually on moment, I found this excerpt "Several years ago the designers and engineers realized that phones contained so many functions—messaging, maps, apps, links, photos, songs—that people were wasting a lot of time retreating to the home button to bounce between them." Ok yes people are just damn lazy.