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the infineon SGold 3 chip has an integrated GPS chip on board. ;-)
 
Hsupa

So no HSUPA on this chip, despite the fact that AT&T has been actively rolling it out across the USA? Or am I missing something here? HSDPA is all well and good, but the upload speeds are pretty weak compared to HSUPA...
 
great news. ;)

is everyone expecting immediate availability, or a few weeks before they are in stock? my phone is on its last leg, and i'd love to buy one on monday.
 
great news. ;)

is everyone expecting immediate availability, or a few weeks before they are in stock? my phone is on its last leg, and i'd love to buy one on monday.

I'm hoping for a Monday release as well. Ready to toss my current p.o.s. into the garbage.
 
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the infineon SGold 3 chip has an integrated GPS chip on board. ;-)

I have been reading the product brief for this chip and can find nothing to back up this claim. While is can be interfaced with A-GPS, I don't think it actually has a GPS chip on board.

EDIT: NVM that last part, I was reading about the wrong chip :D
 
power?

I'm just hoping they've got the power draw way down for the 3G version. Especially with the new push-mail they've built it, I'll be keen to see how long battery life is.
 
i have heard the brcm rumor about the GPS support from another source inside the industry. at this point i'm 100% convinced the new iphone will have true GPS.
 
Here is some info about UMTS/HSPA bands:

UMTS/HSPA Bands (W-CDMA)

  • Band I (2100 mhz) in Europe, Africa, Asia, Oceania (ITU Region 1) and Brazil (part of ITU Region 2)
  • Band II (1900 mhz) in North America and South America (ITU Region 2)
  • Band IV (1700 mhz) in the United States (T-Mobile USA)
  • Band V (850 mhz) in America, Canada, Australia, parts of South America, parts of Asia (ITU Region 2 and ITU Region 3)
  • Band VI (800mhz) Some parts of rural Japan on NTT DoCoMo
  • Band VIII (900 mhz) in Europe, Asia, Oceania (ITU Region 1 and ITU Region 3)
  • Band XII - XIV future use in the 700MHz spectrum

So, it appears 900mhz isn't supported? Do you guys think that there is a second iPhone? Or that none of the stated providers are on 900mhz networks? Also, people who thought they were going to buy an iPhone and use it on Tmobile's new 3G network are in for a sad surprise with 1700mhz band on the iPhone 3G. :eek: I don't think 800Mhz is used much anymore in Japan, so no big deal.

Does any of this mean that the iPhone will be supported on the Verizon network?

No, Verizon and Sprint use CDMA2000 networks (which is popular in N/S America, and some carriers in Japan/Korea) whereas AT&T (and most of Europe/Middle East/Africa) uses GSM/UMTS networks. It's an entirely different technology unfortunately. The good news is that AT&T and Verizon are now on the same upgrade path for LTE/4G for the future...


So no HSUPA on this chip, despite the fact that AT&T has been actively rolling it out across the USA? Or am I missing something here? HSDPA is all well and good, but the upload speeds are pretty weak compared to HSUPA...

Yep, that sucks the big one. Not only does HSUPA increase upload speeds from 150-200kbps to 500-900kbps, but it vastly reduces latency on the uplink. That's probably the biggest advantage. HSUPA chipsets are just now being rolled out in cellphones. Probably didn't make the cut in the design phase. Of course, I always expect Apple to lag on technical features, but usually that is on their computers. Oh well, 384 UMTS will have to tied everyone over until iPhone v3. I wonder if this will have an effect on Apple's decision about including video conferencing or not. I doubt it will be able to use Wifi, unless we are talking about a chat app that doesn't use the cellphone voice network. Although the likely 150-300kbps upload may be ok for low res video conferencing.

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In this phone's hardware I expect 3G at 7.5Mb/s down, GPS with a fix in as little as a second...

Woah, hold it right there. Even if AT&T's HSDPA is rated to 7.2mbps, you'll be lucky to peak at 1.0-1.5mbps, *especially* on a phone versus a broadband laptop card. And initial GPS fix in a second? What utopian world do you live in?

Maybe it just needs better programmed safari. :D Perhaps that Squirrelfish thing for javascript and a load more optimisations. I'd rather see them go that route than the traditional method with desktops of throwing more and more power in to make up for the bloat.. Flash player used to clog things up on my /dual G5/ lol. People just need to get back to programming properly. :/ (not that i'm saying that's easy or realistic)

Yes, I hope to see the new Webkit get integrated into an iPhone Safari update. Should speed it up! Not to mention someone needs to find out how to turn up the CPU clock on the iPhone. It's a factory 620mhz chip, but it's underclocked to 400mhz I believe.


So does that mean the new 3G iPhone will work in Asia also? It would be awesome if I can use it in Japan.
Yes, I believe Softbank already announced they are getting the new iPhone. I'm pretty sure they are on Band I (2100mhz).



What makes you say that? Or am I missing something? Every 3G phone available here seems to have video conferencing (NEVER used).

The whole "front camera on every 3G phone" thing is prevalent throughout most of the world, with the glaring exception of the US. See, the vast majority of people in the US buy their phones from carriers, and all the carriers have the manufacturers make phones for the their market without the forward camera. Why? I have no idea. It's seems like it would be a great way to nickel and dime their customers to death.
 
Same processor?

Same processor but more powerful perhaps?

ARM is in the business of selling cores to a number of manufactures. They take these cores add a bit of peripheral tech and them sell them to companies like Apple. So just because there is indication of a specific core one can not take from that that the processor is in fact the same. Frankly I'd expect Apple to have a much higher integration device in the next cell phone revision, both to save power and to save space.

In any event the processor could be the same one SAMSUNG now sells to Apple or any of hundreds of other designs that use the same core. It is one of ARMs greatest advantages, that is the huge number of implementations available to companies to implement in products.

In the case fo the current iPhone that processor is running slower than it can to save power. They could easily give the new iPhone a speed boost just by upping clock frequency.


Thanks
Dave
 
must be quad band GMS

to be a world fon, in addition to triband 3G, it needs to support quad band GMS 850/900/1800/1900.
i cant understand the specs that were provided. does it support these quad GSM bands?
or has it given up on the need for 850 used in rural america?
here in asia we only need 900/1800 GSM plus 3G for it to work everywhere including Korea and Japan.
 
Exactly what i said. boo!

Not to beat a dead horse here but I will repeat as it seems to be an issue, that particular core from ARM can be implemented in any number of ways by a large number of manufactures. The actual chip could be a higher integration device, could be faster and it could be lower power.

At this point it could be anything and is not worth speculating about since WWDC is only a couple of days away. I'm as interested as anybody to find out what the actual chipset is, but frankly I'm not to worried about power right now. IPhone is already pretty impressive as is, I will take faster of course but won't worry to much about it.

Dave
 
to be a world fon, in addition to triband 3G, it needs to support quad band GMS 850/900/1800/1900.
i cant understand the specs that were provided. does it support these quad GSM bands?
or has it given up on the need for 850 used in rural america?
here in asia we only need 900/1800 GSM plus 3G for it to work everywhere including Korea and Japan.

its GSM 850/900/1800/1900 HSDPA 850/1900/2100
 
Same processor?

Same processor but more powerful perhaps?

The iPhone doesn't need to be more powerful. I don't see much of a point.

Let's say the new iPhone comes out and it's 40% faster. Developers will still have to target applications to run on the old iPhone too, so nothing will max out that extra 40% without dropping support for the old iPhone, and the dev would lose too much money cutting out half of their market base.

No, let's save the battery power and just put a lower powered CPU at the same speed, or put the same CPU.
 
I'd like a higher res camera so the pics could look okay sat next to my 350D pics in iPhoto, but 3G and GPS (functional things) are more important to me.

HSDPA? That could be fantastic. Yea so I don't get any HSDPA signal around here, infact the nearest is Leeds. It'll be nice to have still should I ever venture out :D

Never been this excited for a phone before.
 
Here is some info about UMTS/HSPA bands:

UMTS/HSPA Bands (W-CDMA)

  • Band I (2100 mhz) in Europe, Africa, Asia, Oceania (ITU Region 1) and Brazil (part of ITU Region 2)
  • Band II (1900 mhz) in North America and South America (ITU Region 2)
  • Band IV (1700 mhz) in the United States (T-Mobile USA)
  • Band V (850 mhz) in America, Canada, Australia, parts of South America, parts of Asia (ITU Region 2 and ITU Region 3)
  • Band VI (800mhz) Some parts of rural Japan on NTT DoCoMo
  • Band VIII (900 mhz) in Europe, Asia, Oceania (ITU Region 1 and ITU Region 3)
  • Band XII - XIV future use in the 700MHz spectrum

So, it appears 900mhz isn't supported? Do you guys think that there is a second iPhone?
I'd like 900mhz for Australia, but we'll get by without it. I doubt there is a 2nd phone.

Europe requires 2100Mhz. AT&T requires 850Mhz... if South America requires 1900Mhz then that's our 3 - yes I think they'll get by worldwide with those 3 bands.

The whole "front camera on every 3G phone" thing is prevalent throughout most of the world, with the glaring exception of the US. See, the vast majority of people in the US buy their phones from carriers, and all the carriers have the manufacturers make phones for the their market without the forward camera. Why? I have no idea. It's seems like it would be a great way to nickel and dime their customers to death.

Yeah, but are you saying the specs in this rumour say there's no front camera? I can't see that anywhere.
 
Sounds good to me. I might just use it on T-Mobile as a Wifi device until my contract runs out. (Assuming it is jailbroken in a week like all the other software revisions...)

Like others have said, I would like a better camera and video besides the upgrade to G3 and a GPS module. 5MP for the camera and 640x480 (DVD quality) video would be nice to compete with the Sony Xperia X1, HTC Touch Diamond, Nokia N96 etc. but I would settle for 3.2 MP on the camera.

Then again, the iPhone already has the best multimedia playback interface of any phone so maybe I can live with a slightly weak camera/camcorder functionality. I already have a dedicated camcorder that takes 720p to flash cards...

One other thing is that I would like the keyboard to be able to be changed to landscape by flipping the orientation. This should make texting/emailing much easier IMO.
 
Hmm.. has anyone yet thought this information might be false? "Oh noes, it is too accurate!?"

Here's how you produce a fake list of features like this one:

1. Investigate what chips the current model has. Pick some of those.
2. Google up some plausibe new chips based on assumption of 3G.
3. Add some previous rumors to the mix for added credibility: ability to switch off 3G, model number n82.
4. Add on obscure reference to GPS.

Voilá! We have a created winning rumor that on surface appears insider information but is based on publicly available information.
 
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