newyorksole
macrumors 603
I think alot of people are looking too much into the bridges, however, thinking and speculating is always good so be creative! lol
Only a few more weeks..
Only a few more weeks..
3G iPhone preview at WWDC, Release July 11 - Who, When Where, What, Why & how much
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Mikey B
macrumors 65816
That's what I thought...
RustyM
macrumors regular
Perhaps it is! I think I'm having trouble visualizing the full potential of this device.
Of course! That was my initial theory too. Far more plausible too.
Hmm. Maybe the scans posted all over the web were doctored. Apple's original invitation had three bridges.
Agreed. Analyzing Apple's hints are so much fun!
guys, guys guys...The front page says that
"Apple officially announced today that "a team of Apple executives, led by CEO Steve Jobs" would kick off Apple's Worldwide Developer's Conference (WWDC) with a keynote address starting at 10 a.m. on Monday, June 9th."
Is nobody excited about this?! Surely, only Steve will be on stage (as normal)...surely then, they will all be opening the WWDC via the supposed new video conferencing function on the latest iPhone!!!
I'M SO EXCITED I THINK A LITTLE BIT OF WEE WEE JUST DRIBBLED OUT!!!
"Apple officially announced today that "a team of Apple executives, led by CEO Steve Jobs" would kick off Apple's Worldwide Developer's Conference (WWDC) with a keynote address starting at 10 a.m. on Monday, June 9th."
Is nobody excited about this?! Surely, only Steve will be on stage (as normal)...surely then, they will all be opening the WWDC via the supposed new video conferencing function on the latest iPhone!!!
I'M SO EXCITED I THINK A LITTLE BIT OF WEE WEE JUST DRIBBLED OUT!!!
News on the Swisscom webpage !
Official on the swisscom webpage, the Iphone is coming to Switzerland "later this year"
http://www.swisscom.ch/res/iphone/index.htm?languageId=en
no indication about which version or when though...
Official on the swisscom webpage, the Iphone is coming to Switzerland "later this year"
http://www.swisscom.ch/res/iphone/index.htm?languageId=en
no indication about which version or when though...
t0mat0
macrumors 603
It was unofficial probability years ago. You could pretty much tell when he'd keynote a year ago. We are excited about the keynote, but we've known when it was going to be pretty accurately for a long time. No need for incontinence pads. Like the idea of selling the Front facing camera - Anyone able to confirm Moscone now has a very good 3G signal?
Edit: http://www.wireless.att.com/coverageviewer/ shows Voice, Data (3G), Go Phone, Smart Limits, but no AT&T Mobile TV (nearest is LA). It'd be interesting to see if the AT&T Mobile TV coverage changes (It is there, in cities across the U.S., havea look for yourself- partly to do with 3G coverage no doubt ( Cities covered with 3G)
Video Share on AT&T
FAQs
It's a 1 way video live streaming system "that lets you share the moment during a mobile-to-mobile phone call" in 3G areas (2 way sound AFAIK)
Versus, say, Qik.com, kyte.com giving you a 1 to many Live streaming to anyone on the net looking at the stream. With live chatrooms. And live audio. And the ability to watch recorded audio and video from anyone in the chat rooms. Makes "Video Share" seem a bit lame now.
Currently available on * Samsung SLM * Samsung Blackjack II * LG Shine * Samsung A737 * LG CU515 * Samsung A717
* Samsung A727 * LG Trax * LG CU500v
Will be interesting to see the Data cost of doing the same via qik.com/ kyte.tv.
Negatives?
- It's basically watered down video calling. "Share" = crippled 1 way video calling. Lol. And you get charged for both video & voice minutes (- "Since Video Share works along with a normal voice call, both parties will also be using voice minutes at the rate listed in their plan (note: many plans include mobile-to-mobile minutes, so check the specifics of your plan for more details.)")
- A Video Share session is billed only to the sender of the video stream in full-minute increments, and is applied to that sender's Video Share monthly plan or at a Pay-Per-Use rate of $0.35/minute.
- "No Video Share minutes are billed to the recipient of the stream; however the recipient must also have a Video Share monthly plan or Pay-Per-Use feature enabled on their account.
Cost - "Video Share packages start at $4.99 – and only the sender is billed Video Share minutes, receiving is free!" (technically true, but both get charged voice minutes. Weasle phrasing).
A Video Share Pay-Per-Use plan is also available at $0.35 per minute.
________Additional Usage $0.30 per minute $0.25 per minute
I do hope Apple has AT&T reigned in. This is looking a messy price structure already. Video calling, video streaming is COOL. Don't fc.co.uk it up. Till then, Nokia's can do qik.com and kyte.tv
We are excited about the keynote, but we've known when it was going to be pretty accurately for a long time. No need for incontinence pads. Like the idea of selling the Front facing camera - Anyone able to confirm Moscone now has a very good 3G signal?
Hello again...I was pointing out my excitment at the possibility of video conferencing on the iPhone. I think I may have worded it badly before.
But, this is surely one of those extremely subtle hints Apple drop isn't it? Over the last few years of watching keynotes I've never seen more than one person on the stage at a time except for when video conferencing tools have been used (iChat etc). I'll bet good money, the Keynote opens with a video conference.
I hope they go for an international release, because I really can't wait anymore. Also, I hope tey don't restrict how many you can buy cos the only way the Mrs won't moan about me spending £400 on a mobile phone is if she has one too!
Off to purchase another pack of Tena pads now...
PowerFullMac
macrumors 601
Hello again...I was pointing out my excitment at the possibility of video conferencing on the iPhone. I think I may have worded it badly before.
But, this is surely one of those extremely subtle hints Apple drop isn't it? Over the last few years of watching keynotes I've never seen more than one person on the stage at a time except for when video conferencing tools have been used (iChat etc). I'll bet good money, the Keynote opens with a video conference.
I hope they go for an international release, because I really can't wait anymore. Also, I hope tey don't restrict how many you can buy cos the only way the Mrs won't moan about me spending £400 on a mobile phone is if she has one too!
Off to purchase another pack of Tena pads now...
There will be a international release, the UK and US stores are out of iPhones, and I think a few other contries, too.
Hackattack
macrumors newbie
"The keynote showcases two revolutionary development platforms: Mac OS X Leopard and OS X iPhone, the world’s most advanced mobile operating system."
not sure if its a repost but i thought id mention it, its on the apple website fyi.
http://www.apple.com/hotnews/#section=iphone
not sure if its a repost but i thought id mention it, its on the apple website fyi.
http://www.apple.com/hotnews/#section=iphone
t0mat0
macrumors 603
I'd agree. Jobs is quite the performer - my wish is that he starts using the iPhone without a cable, and show's its new Wii like uses, it's use as a remote control, and use its wireless sync, video call (at least giving a 2 way vide option) etc.
Google & Apple
With Android coming out, how much integration will we see - I for one think that an accelerometer multi-touch version of Google Earth/Maps would be an amazing application.
E.g. Picassa does Geotagging. And could easily import info from a picture or video header. (Google normally keeps these private, unless you specifically ask to share your album contents).
Will Apple fight this and make its own version, or join Google?
In other news
Swisscom
Swisscom got it's behind in gear and put something up about the iPhone
O2 Boss states the obvious
O2 head (CEO, Chairman of O2's owner Telefónica Europe) Matthew Key says the 3G iPhone will be unveiled "in the coming weeks".
So it's officially time to pester the hell out of Customer services. First to get a rep to crack and confirm there's a large Apple related announcement on June 9th wins a prize* (*or hearty cheers..)
Key reconfirmed that O2 has a multi-year exclusive in UK and Ireland for the iPhone.
Things you could do with an iPhone
Using BeamYourScreen - a web app, you can get desktop and screen sharing and web conferences started through the iPhone.
The iPhone user calls in for an audio conference, then starts Safari, pops in the BeamYourScreen ID for the session. This then starts showing the desktop/ screen share of the meeting organiser.
Quite an enterprise feature? Tell me when RIM has this...
During the session, the organiser can file share e.g. word documents, pdfs etc.
I have a feeling that the Enterprise functions of the iPhone may have something similar to this. Rocking!
your somewhat incorrect
stylus will not work nor will SJ include that, when the announcement came of the iphone SJ had specifically indicated that stylus were stupid and awkward, also the multi touch screen doesnt recognize non conductive contact, you must use your skin to touch the screen, gloves wont even work.
3G is be dead slow, if it doesnt have at LEAST 3.6mbit HSDPA it will suck ass,
3G is UMTS is 384kbit which is slow as hell
3.5G is HSDPA and can go to 19mbit
32gb static memory? why not an SDHC Card slot? (current SD's i believe go to 64GB) then you choose the amout of storage you have, also 150x speed SDHC's are faster than the samsung chips that are used in the current ipods
1st video phone? WTF have you been for the last 3 years? 3G Video calling has been out since 2004, the Razr V3x was released in 2005
having a non removable battery means your stuck with apples garbage batteries (cheap chinese li-ion), if you have a removable battery, you can choose to have a li-poly battery or even a double sized li-poly battery for extended battery life
its OBVIOUS, apple wants to nickle and dime you for everything, google android is based on opensource software, this is AGAINST EVERYTHING that apple wants because apple doesnt care what you want, it cares about making money and its share holders happy (hence, which is why the iphone software blows chunks)
t0mat0
macrumors 603
Easy there pr5owner - You're quoting from page 1, several months back.
And the second post sounds like a troll quote. It's not like Apple has pushed for fairer DRM, less DRM, open standards like H.264...
They ain't perfect. If you don't like what they're offering, you can move along. You don't have to buy.
If you want to talk specifics, please do, but at least back it up...
e.g.
- Styluses - Find the SJ quote
- Mention the likely SGOLD 3H chip does decent 3G speeds in all likelihood. AT&T's 3G network has recently got good reviews, and the iPhone is kick-starting the U.S.'s 3G networks to an extent.
- memory - Additional stick in chips. Can you remember the last device Apple made that did one?
- Video phones - totally with you on this one. At least Apple will be in all likelihood be bringing a large U.S. consumer base to this technology. (Other markets already have it, but don't use it much. Apple will hopefully change this also).
- Non removable batteries. It's a contentious area, and I don't much like going into it. There are options, e.g. het a Movi Juicer or similar - an additional removable battery for extended battery life.
That's an opinion you're entitled to have. A wrong one, due to the sweeping statements used.
The fact that Apple listens in on what users want from the next iPhone, have been collating feedback like bug reports, user thoughts etc is an indication your position is incorrect to say they're absolutely only about the money. I see you've already been locked out of threads before, named as a troll, and from your posting absences, probably met Time out before.
Anyhow. On with the show.
And the second post sounds like a troll quote. It's not like Apple has pushed for fairer DRM, less DRM, open standards like H.264...
They ain't perfect. If you don't like what they're offering, you can move along. You don't have to buy.
If you want to talk specifics, please do, but at least back it up...
e.g.
- Styluses - Find the SJ quote
- Mention the likely SGOLD 3H chip does decent 3G speeds in all likelihood. AT&T's 3G network has recently got good reviews, and the iPhone is kick-starting the U.S.'s 3G networks to an extent.
- memory - Additional stick in chips. Can you remember the last device Apple made that did one?
- Video phones - totally with you on this one. At least Apple will be in all likelihood be bringing a large U.S. consumer base to this technology. (Other markets already have it, but don't use it much. Apple will hopefully change this also).
- Non removable batteries. It's a contentious area, and I don't much like going into it. There are options, e.g. het a Movi Juicer or similar - an additional removable battery for extended battery life.
Everything? My. No need for sweeping outlandish statements, because one small logical breeze and they fall over.
That's an opinion you're entitled to have. A wrong one, due to the sweeping statements used.
The fact that Apple listens in on what users want from the next iPhone, have been collating feedback like bug reports, user thoughts etc is an indication your position is incorrect to say they're absolutely only about the money. I see you've already been locked out of threads before, named as a troll, and from your posting absences, probably met Time out before.
It's good to have incisive views though, but just back it up with the good stuffBlue Velvet said:
Anyhow. On with the show.
iMerlin
macrumors 6502a
Every company in the history of companies is out to make money. There isn't one company that has survived by caring more about the consumer than the bottom line. Apple is no different.
The new iPhone will have just enough to keep the fan base happy until other devices get more goodies. And I will be there waiting to get my hands on it!!
By the way, this is my second post on these boards. Thanks to the OP for starting this thread. t0mat0, I joined this forum exclusively for your thread. Very insightful and well written. Nicely done.
radtuesday
macrumors newbie
Well said t0mat0.
t0mat0
macrumors 603
Monkeys - knew I should have looked the Atom info up previously. Oh well:
From Kim & the front page:
Intel Confirms Atom-based Larger iPhone (Mini-Tablet)?
"According to ZDNet.de, Intel Germany CEO Hannes Schwaderer confirmed that Apple would be using the Intel Atom processor in a future version of the iPhone. The new model will reportedly be a larger model with a larger display, correlating with circulating rumors about a mini-tablet device rumored to be coming from Apple. English translation":
Quote:
Article Link
https://www.macrumors.com/2008/05/14/intel-confirms-atom-based-larger-iphone-mini-tablet/
At Germany's CeBIT - Intel kicked off Atom's offical unveiling. It's tailored to MIDs and UMPCs. When they say iPhone, they mean Tablet. Unless Intel has done something amazing with the power usage, and made an "Apple special"
- then the Atom's currently too power hungry (0.2-0.6W but the stats vary) for a phone device like the current iPhone.
UMPC or MiniTablet to Tablet - sure.
E.g. the basic Atom processor can draw 2.5 Watts. From here
The Centrino Atom, can include a main chipset and also chipsets 3G cellular access, wifi, WiMAX... "The device using the platform must also have a 6.5-inch screen or smaller, measure one inch thick or less, and support running solely on battery power."
(No idea why yet...)
Apple was already rumored to be using Atom for "multiple products" throughout 2008, "one of which would include a multi-touch tablet roughly 50 percent larger than the iPhone."
So what the hell is it? a mini tablet, a maxi iPhone? An iMID?
An OLED kick a** gamer slate?
Intel is pushing the Atom as a MID/UMPC chip now, and a iPhone sized chip by 2009 - i.e. an embedded and mobile competitor to ARM and PowerPC.
Just when the whiners were starting to go "oooh , how can Apple stop selling iPhones for so long?"...
Artist depiction from AppleInsider - audiopollution is referenced.
P.S. The chip isn't to scale
From Kim & the front page:
Intel Confirms Atom-based Larger iPhone (Mini-Tablet)?
"According to ZDNet.de, Intel Germany CEO Hannes Schwaderer confirmed that Apple would be using the Intel Atom processor in a future version of the iPhone. The new model will reportedly be a larger model with a larger display, correlating with circulating rumors about a mini-tablet device rumored to be coming from Apple. English translation":
Quote:
Article Link
https://www.macrumors.com/2008/05/14/intel-confirms-atom-based-larger-iphone-mini-tablet/
At Germany's CeBIT - Intel kicked off Atom's offical unveiling. It's tailored to MIDs and UMPCs. When they say iPhone, they mean Tablet. Unless Intel has done something amazing with the power usage, and made an "Apple special"
- then the Atom's currently too power hungry (0.2-0.6W but the stats vary) for a phone device like the current iPhone.
UMPC or MiniTablet to Tablet - sure.
E.g. the basic Atom processor can draw 2.5 Watts. From here
The Centrino Atom, can include a main chipset and also chipsets 3G cellular access, wifi, WiMAX... "The device using the platform must also have a 6.5-inch screen or smaller, measure one inch thick or less, and support running solely on battery power."
(No idea why yet...)
Apple was already rumored to be using Atom for "multiple products" throughout 2008, "one of which would include a multi-touch tablet roughly 50 percent larger than the iPhone."
So what the hell is it? a mini tablet, a maxi iPhone? An iMID?
An OLED kick a** gamer slate?
Intel is pushing the Atom as a MID/UMPC chip now, and a iPhone sized chip by 2009 - i.e. an embedded and mobile competitor to ARM and PowerPC.
Just when the whiners were starting to go "oooh , how can Apple stop selling iPhones for so long?"...
Artist depiction from AppleInsider - audiopollution is referenced.
P.S. The chip isn't to scale
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speeddevil45678
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Counting down the days...
t0mat0
macrumors 603
In April 2008, at the Developer Forum, Intel released the 1st Atom processors. They also hinted at Apple having them come 2009.
The Atom range is currently comprising of 5 chips covering a wider range than mentioned at it's unveiling the previous month.
4 of the 5 are sub-notebook UMPC chips, (clock speeds 1.1 to 1.86GHz, Drawing 2-2.4 W in normal use). A tenth of a Core2Duo, but much more than what's the iPhone uses at present.
Excepting the 1.1GHz chip they all support hyperthreading.
The 5th processor is for smaller than UMPC devices, which fits with the larger than iPhone. Whilst I wouldn't say that the 3G iPhone with a similar size to the current v1 will have Atom, a 2nd Gen larger version might.
Running at 800MHz, it will use roughly 0.65 Watts and doesn't need active cooling. Primarily for MIDs (Mobile Internet Devices) this was presumably in the device that got held up a while back at a conference, when Intel wanted to gain some kudos and wanted to show "who is the daddy"...
A MID in this context is Portable Media Player come Internet dvevice. We've seen them in previous guises, but they haven't caught on in any big way (From DVD players with no internet, to Gaming PSPs to PDAs etc).
Accelerated media playback - sound, HD video, Core Animations...
AppleInsider pointed in 2007 that "the Mac maker would use the UMPC platform extensively in a range of devices,"
http://www.appleinsider.com/article...to_adopt_intels_ultra_mobile_pc_platform.html
Interesting. So a Infineon core for the 3G iPhone, and possibly ala MacBook Air - a bespoke Atom chip for a MID/mini UMPC?
(Info courtesy of this article ).
Interestingly
http://www.appleinsider.com/article...to_adopt_intels_ultra_mobile_pc_platform.html
"Apple Inc. will form a closer bond with once-rival Intel Corp. early next year when it begins building a new breed of ultra-mobile processors from the chipmaker into a fresh generation of handheld devices, AppleInsider has learned"
All those analysts saying the chip purchase by Apple was a move away from Intel. When it so wasn't hehe.
The photo - At the IDF, Intel execs showed off the unnamed Moorestown processor, saying it was the "chip the iPhone would have wanted."
SoC goodness from Intel?
The press circa Sept 2007 slated the "Moorestown" processor's time to market as not realistically until 2009 or 2010
Making super-slim UMPCage look well, quite svelt.
https://forums.macrumors.com/posts/5090301/
and https://forums.macrumors.com/posts/5090301/
Nearly. But then knocked out this picture prior to the MWSF
(will edit to add in)
The Atom range is currently comprising of 5 chips covering a wider range than mentioned at it's unveiling the previous month.
4 of the 5 are sub-notebook UMPC chips, (clock speeds 1.1 to 1.86GHz, Drawing 2-2.4 W in normal use). A tenth of a Core2Duo, but much more than what's the iPhone uses at present.
Excepting the 1.1GHz chip they all support hyperthreading.
The 5th processor is for smaller than UMPC devices, which fits with the larger than iPhone. Whilst I wouldn't say that the 3G iPhone with a similar size to the current v1 will have Atom, a 2nd Gen larger version might.
Running at 800MHz, it will use roughly 0.65 Watts and doesn't need active cooling. Primarily for MIDs (Mobile Internet Devices) this was presumably in the device that got held up a while back at a conference, when Intel wanted to gain some kudos and wanted to show "who is the daddy"...
A MID in this context is Portable Media Player come Internet dvevice. We've seen them in previous guises, but they haven't caught on in any big way (From DVD players with no internet, to Gaming PSPs to PDAs etc).
Accelerated media playback - sound, HD video, Core Animations...
AppleInsider pointed in 2007 that "the Mac maker would use the UMPC platform extensively in a range of devices,"
http://www.appleinsider.com/article...to_adopt_intels_ultra_mobile_pc_platform.html
Interesting. So a Infineon core for the 3G iPhone, and possibly ala MacBook Air - a bespoke Atom chip for a MID/mini UMPC?
(Info courtesy of this article ).
Interestingly
http://www.appleinsider.com/article...to_adopt_intels_ultra_mobile_pc_platform.html
"Apple Inc. will form a closer bond with once-rival Intel Corp. early next year when it begins building a new breed of ultra-mobile processors from the chipmaker into a fresh generation of handheld devices, AppleInsider has learned"
All those analysts saying the chip purchase by Apple was a move away from Intel. When it so wasn't hehe.
The photo - At the IDF, Intel execs showed off the unnamed Moorestown processor, saying it was the "chip the iPhone would have wanted."
SoC goodness from Intel?
The press circa Sept 2007 slated the "Moorestown" processor's time to market as not realistically until 2009 or 2010
Making super-slim UMPCage look well, quite svelt.
https://forums.macrumors.com/posts/5090301/
and https://forums.macrumors.com/posts/5090301/
Nearly. But then knocked out this picture prior to the MWSF
(will edit to add in)
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t0mat0
macrumors 603
Oh, the irony
Bill Gates' speech for members of the Windows Digital Lifestyle Consortium in Tokyo last week
I think i've quoted most of the speech actually. Directly below is a summarised form. Gold, pure Apple Microsoft gold.
Please take the time to savour over the irony, the pathos, the oh, you get the drift.
(For those that don't:
1) Gates acknowledges GUI was a great challenge. It still is Gates. It still is...
2) Gates acknowledges that taking the Internet together with great hardware and software, and using it in new ways "is more exciting today than it's ever been".
3) "Gates acknowledges "The way that we really want to use not only images, but video and audio, and those things, requires the broadband connection" or more specifically, a decent bandwidth. Like HSDPA 3G. Or WiMax. Or broadband...
4) "Of course, we want to see that connection not just to every home, to schools, to libraries, pervasive in business, and then, of course, with the new data services, we want this kind of connection taking place wherever people go, and so you never have to give up the connection to the business data, electronic mail, the information that's out there on the Internet." **cough** Wireless **cough**
5) Gates acknowledges another great trend is that video is such a mainstream thing on the Internet, that it's being used in various ways at universities, e.g. putting their lectures out on the Internet for free. (No mention of Apple's iTunes U library on this).
or how MIT lecturers that he uses as an example, topped the iTunes U top 10 in 2007 and Kinda show how well Apple's got into this sector.
6) And the Personal Computer "fits in in an important way, but there are other devices that are also important. The mobile phone is really at the top of that list because it's getting so powerful. And, of course, the kind of communications, and games, and social networking, and mapping, digital purchases you can do on that cell phone are getting better and better." "so we should think in terms of the user's needs"
Oh rly?
7) "For example, even though it hasn't happened yet, I think that a lot of TV watching will move to be on the Internet."
I'd be interested to see the stats. A huge chunk of UK and US broadband bandwidth is p2p TV shows.
unless you mean DVB-H. Isn't that a module on the SGOLD 3H chip, and something Swisscom is talking about?
8) "And you could start to watch something in your living room, you could keep watching it on your portable Windows machine, you could watch the end of it on your mobile phone, and so that ought to be very simple to move back and forth. "
zomg - I can has plagiarism?
9)"...thinking about the mobile phone, and how that works with the PC is important. When I walk up to a PC, if I'm on the phone, I should be able to have the call, if it's connected through the Internet, run on the PC, and then if the person on the other end has a large screen, we should be able to bring up documents and edit them together at the same time we're talking with each other"
Did you know you can do screen casting, and file sharing over the iPhone now?
10)"We need content, we need hardware and software, and we need that not only on the personal computer, but the other elements, as well."
11) "One of the big changes in this second digital decade will be that instead of just using the keyboard and the mouse to interact, we'll be interacting in a number of new ways.
[Multi-touch perhaps?
"Now, many of you have been around the industry as we and others have been investing in speech recognition, and ink recognition, and touch screens and those things, and you probably see that now those are becoming really mature."
Uh huh.
12)"A good example of this is " ......
<adopt Jon Stewart voice> [ Go onnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnn]
"...Microsoft Surface...that it was just a touch surface, a natural interface, made it far more natural".
" Which of these interfaces will take off, which applications, that's hard to predict, but we need to get out there, and try these new things out, to achieve the full potential of this new digital decade."
13)"These things like digital commerce, and mapping, getting those available, getting them to be high quality, getting traffic information available, those are valuable for all these different applications."
You know my position on maps. Traffic etc. Google's gonna bring in its big guns hopefully come June 9th. Digital commerce? See iTunes and the App Store.
14)"Throughout the history of the personal computer there's always been skepticism about the new activities, and what things would take off, and it's been amazing that, in fact, in every case, as the hardware got better and the software got better, that came together. I think there is an understanding of how the magic of the chip level, and the software level has been key to that. "
> Atom.
15)15)"I thought I'd give you an update that 140 million PCs have been shipped with Vista, so that within a year of its launch is actually the fastest we've ever had, in terms of a new version."
Did you know they count XP sales as Vista sales? Srsly.
16) Comedic gold even if untouched: ". Also the effort to upgrade, I think that's an area we got a lot of feedback in Vista, that we need to invest in that, and we're going to make that very, very simple for people. So Vista is doing well, and we're hard at work putting even more investment now in the version that comes after that."
17)
Lets say it together. Apple is rumored to have another iPhone like device in the wings. iPlay iTable iSlate iMID i....
18) "This is a business where thinking for the long-term is very important."
19) "I see Windows, a major new version of Windows every two to three years." I can see. I can see purrrfectly...
So when's IE8 coming Billy boy?
"I see those things being updated on an even more regular basis. So it's a very dynamic environment, where getting the feedback from the customers is very important to that."
Ah.
******
The long version. Below
From a transcript of Gates’ remarks:
“We’re hard at work, I would say, on the next version, which we call Windows 7. I’m very excited about the work being done there. The ability to be lower power, take less memory, be more efficient, and have lots more connections up to the mobile phone, so those scenarios connect up well to make it a great platform for the best gaming that can be done, to connect up to the thing being done out on the Internet, so that, for example, if you have two personal computers, that your files automatically are synchronized between them, and so you don’t have a lot of work to move that data back and forth.”
The file synchronization capability to which Gates refers is the Live Mesh collaboration/synchronization platform/service which Microsoft recently unveiled. But Gates made it sound like there’s something beyond Mesh that could be in the works for Windows 7. Again, from the transcript:
“We’re also a participant in building software for the mobile phones, and our proposition is to build a great mobile operating system, but also to have it be the one that connects best to the Windows PCs. So we’re working hard on both of those things….
“For a customer there are going to be phones with larger screens, and PCs with smaller screens. In fact, there will be even an overlap, but I think the key for us is to drive all the applications, and let the user move easily back and forth. Our best customers are going to have a great mobile phone, and they’re going to have a great personal computer. And if we don’t make those scenarios work well together, that will hold back both of those markets.”
Gates also told the audience that Microsoft is going to deliver a “major new version of Windows” every two to three years. (A caveat: Gates also said not too long ago that Microsoft would deliver a new version of Internet Explorer every 9 to 12 months. IE 7 shipped in October 2006; we’re still only at Beta 1 for IE 8.)
What’s your take? What kinds of new features in Windows 7 — and Windows Mobile 7, allegedly due out in 2009 — might improve PC-to-mobile connectivity and what kinds of applications/services would benefit?
http://blogs.zdnet.com/microsoft/?p=1394&tag=nl.e539Ful transcript at http://www.microsoft.com/presspass/exec/billg/speeches/2008/05-07japanwdlc.mspx
The talk was about Windows, PCs and where it can go in the future, "connecting to all the great innovations taking place".
"Most of the interesting scenarios involve moving back and forth. If you want to be notified of things, that's great to be mobile, but the large screen that you have on the PC makes it play a unique role that's complementary to all of the other devices. And so thinking about the mobile phone, and how that works with the PC is important. When I walk up to a PC, if I'm on the phone, I should be able to have the call, if it's connected through the Internet, run on the PC, and then if the person on the other end has a large screen, we should be able to bring up documents and edit them together at the same time we're talking with each other. And so even a phone call should be seamless moving onto the device that I want to work with. And so I think thinking through these scenarios, whether it's TV, or reading, or digital curriculum, or healthcare records, e-government, every one of those we can make the PC even better as a tool for those scenarios. And through those joint investments make it clear what the innovation should be in these new types of PCs.
"One of the big changes in this second digital decade will be that instead of just using the keyboard and the mouse to interact, we'll be interacting in a number of new ways. And I often call these, broadly, natural user interface. Now, many of you have been around the industry as we and others have been investing in speech recognition, and ink recognition, and touch screens and those things, and you probably see that now those are becoming really mature. The quality, the speed of the hardware is allowing those things to come to life."
"A good example of this is that Microsoft took a Windows machine with a camera and created a table-like device we call Microsoft Surface. And today it's still fairly expensive, but that will come down in price so that the desk in the office will be a surface, and you can touch documents, you can look at business data, expand on that. You've seen this in science fiction films, but in fact, it's becoming a reality now."
LOL
[What? No mention of the iPhone? hehe]
"Which of these interfaces will take off, which applications, that's hard to predict, but we need to get out there, and try these new things out, to achieve the full potential of this new digital decade."
"One thing the PC has not been very good at is two people working together, because it's been very focused on one person sitting at that keyboard. If you want to have your family looking at photos, or organizing those, picking the best one, if you want to sit and talk about organizing a trip or something like that, it hasn't been that easy. As we get these new interfaces, and bigger screens, cheap screen-type things, then that will be very different."
"These things like digital commerce, and mapping, getting those available, getting them to be high quality, getting traffic information available, those are valuable for all these different applications."
What Gates is talking about dewy eyed, is what Apple is about to deliver.
"Throughout the history of the PC there's always been skepticism about the new activities, and what things would take off, and it's been amazing that, in fact, in every case, as the hardware got better and the software got better, that came together. I think there is an understanding of how the magic of the chip level, and the software level has been key to that."
"The ability to be lower power, take less memory, be more efficient, and have lots more connections up to the mobile phone, so those scenarios connect up well to make it a great platform for the best gaming that can be done, to connect up to the thing being done out on the Internet, so that, for example, if you have two personal computers, that your files automatically are synchronized between them, and so you don't have a lot of work to move that data back and forth."
Oh sweet lordie, I'm roflcoptering!
"Also the effort to upgrade, I think that's an area we got a lot of feedback in Vista, that we need to invest in that, and we're going to make that very, very simple for people. So Vista is doing well, and we're hard at work putting even more investment now in the version that comes after that."
LOL
Jobs is about to run a bulldozing 3G iPhone through Windows Live Mail
"We're also building into Windows, of course, things that connect through the Internet. We broadly talk about those as Windows Live. This would include things like photo sharing, and social networking, electronic mail. There's a variety of things available, and we'll obviously give third parties a great way to plug in to Windows to do these things, but we'll have some native services like this ability to synchronize your files, or like the free mail and things, and we'll be making those dramatically better."
"We're also a participant in building software for the mobile phones, and our proposition is to build a great mobile operating system, but also to have it be the one that connects best to the Windows PCs. So we're working hard on both of those things. This is an area where we've had a lot of growth in the last couple of years now, up to about 20 million. I was looking at some of the new phones in this market, and I'm very excited about what's going on there.
For a customer there are going to be phones with larger screens, and PCs with smaller screens. In fact, there will be even an overlap, but I think the key for us is to drive all the applications, and let the user move easily back and forth. Our best customers are going to have a great mobile phone, and they're going to have a great personal computer. And if we don't make those scenarios work well together, that will hold back both of those markets."
This is a business where thinking for the long-term is very important. If we think about things like handwriting recognition, or speech, or Internet TV, Microsoft has been investing in those things for more than 10 years, and yet they're not yet mainstream. Were able to make that kind of bet, make an investment. We have our research that is there to work closely with your research groups on those kinds of fundamental advances that will allow us to bring in things like natural user interface, that will allow us to take advantage of these multi-core architectures, will allow us to do security in a new and different way.
So it is a there will be constant change. I see Windows, a major new version of Windows every two to three years. I see the services that Windows connects up to, like the social networking, or the file synchronization, I see those things being updated on an even more regular basis. So it's a very dynamic environment, where getting the feedback from the customers is very important to that.
So this is how we think about this second digital decade, and this is how we say that the PC will change business more, be more pervasive, be in the desk, on the desk, in the meeting room, in the whiteboard, it will be in the home, in different form factors, and there will be this great connection between the PC and other devices. When you carry you phone up, if you want to use the full screen to display what's there that should be very straightforward.
So these are new experiences, these are connected experiences, and I think one thing that this group can come together on is not just the innovation to make these experiences possible, but also how we get the word out to customers about these new opportunities. And that's why I'm very excited at the response to this initiative. And let me just state that Microsoft has a huge commitment to it, and all of our key partners are here. That's very pleasing to us, and I'm excited to see what we can do together.
Thank you.
Bill Gates' speech for members of the Windows Digital Lifestyle Consortium in Tokyo last week
I think i've quoted most of the speech actually. Directly below is a summarised form. Gold, pure Apple Microsoft gold.
Please take the time to savour over the irony, the pathos, the oh, you get the drift.
(For those that don't:
1) Gates acknowledges GUI was a great challenge. It still is Gates. It still is...
2) Gates acknowledges that taking the Internet together with great hardware and software, and using it in new ways "is more exciting today than it's ever been".
3) "Gates acknowledges "The way that we really want to use not only images, but video and audio, and those things, requires the broadband connection" or more specifically, a decent bandwidth. Like HSDPA 3G. Or WiMax. Or broadband...
4) "Of course, we want to see that connection not just to every home, to schools, to libraries, pervasive in business, and then, of course, with the new data services, we want this kind of connection taking place wherever people go, and so you never have to give up the connection to the business data, electronic mail, the information that's out there on the Internet." **cough** Wireless **cough**
5) Gates acknowledges another great trend is that video is such a mainstream thing on the Internet, that it's being used in various ways at universities, e.g. putting their lectures out on the Internet for free. (No mention of Apple's iTunes U library on this).
or how MIT lecturers that he uses as an example, topped the iTunes U top 10 in 2007 and Kinda show how well Apple's got into this sector.
6) And the Personal Computer "fits in in an important way, but there are other devices that are also important. The mobile phone is really at the top of that list because it's getting so powerful. And, of course, the kind of communications, and games, and social networking, and mapping, digital purchases you can do on that cell phone are getting better and better." "so we should think in terms of the user's needs"
Oh rly?
7) "For example, even though it hasn't happened yet, I think that a lot of TV watching will move to be on the Internet."
I'd be interested to see the stats. A huge chunk of UK and US broadband bandwidth is p2p TV shows.
unless you mean DVB-H. Isn't that a module on the SGOLD 3H chip, and something Swisscom is talking about?
8) "And you could start to watch something in your living room, you could keep watching it on your portable Windows machine, you could watch the end of it on your mobile phone, and so that ought to be very simple to move back and forth. "
zomg - I can has plagiarism?
9)"...thinking about the mobile phone, and how that works with the PC is important. When I walk up to a PC, if I'm on the phone, I should be able to have the call, if it's connected through the Internet, run on the PC, and then if the person on the other end has a large screen, we should be able to bring up documents and edit them together at the same time we're talking with each other"
Did you know you can do screen casting, and file sharing over the iPhone now?
10)"We need content, we need hardware and software, and we need that not only on the personal computer, but the other elements, as well."
11) "One of the big changes in this second digital decade will be that instead of just using the keyboard and the mouse to interact, we'll be interacting in a number of new ways.
[Multi-touch perhaps?
"Now, many of you have been around the industry as we and others have been investing in speech recognition, and ink recognition, and touch screens and those things, and you probably see that now those are becoming really mature."
Uh huh.
12)"A good example of this is " ......
<adopt Jon Stewart voice> [ Go onnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnn]
"...Microsoft Surface...that it was just a touch surface, a natural interface, made it far more natural".
" Which of these interfaces will take off, which applications, that's hard to predict, but we need to get out there, and try these new things out, to achieve the full potential of this new digital decade."
13)"These things like digital commerce, and mapping, getting those available, getting them to be high quality, getting traffic information available, those are valuable for all these different applications."
You know my position on maps. Traffic etc. Google's gonna bring in its big guns hopefully come June 9th. Digital commerce? See iTunes and the App Store.
14)"Throughout the history of the personal computer there's always been skepticism about the new activities, and what things would take off, and it's been amazing that, in fact, in every case, as the hardware got better and the software got better, that came together. I think there is an understanding of how the magic of the chip level, and the software level has been key to that. "
> Atom.
15)15)"I thought I'd give you an update that 140 million PCs have been shipped with Vista, so that within a year of its launch is actually the fastest we've ever had, in terms of a new version."
Did you know they count XP sales as Vista sales? Srsly.
16) Comedic gold even if untouched: ". Also the effort to upgrade, I think that's an area we got a lot of feedback in Vista, that we need to invest in that, and we're going to make that very, very simple for people. So Vista is doing well, and we're hard at work putting even more investment now in the version that comes after that."
17)
Lets say it together. Apple is rumored to have another iPhone like device in the wings. iPlay iTable iSlate iMID i....
18) "This is a business where thinking for the long-term is very important."
19) "I see Windows, a major new version of Windows every two to three years." I can see. I can see purrrfectly...
So when's IE8 coming Billy boy?
"I see those things being updated on an even more regular basis. So it's a very dynamic environment, where getting the feedback from the customers is very important to that."
Ah.
******
The long version. Below
From a transcript of Gates’ remarks:
“We’re hard at work, I would say, on the next version, which we call Windows 7. I’m very excited about the work being done there. The ability to be lower power, take less memory, be more efficient, and have lots more connections up to the mobile phone, so those scenarios connect up well to make it a great platform for the best gaming that can be done, to connect up to the thing being done out on the Internet, so that, for example, if you have two personal computers, that your files automatically are synchronized between them, and so you don’t have a lot of work to move that data back and forth.”
The file synchronization capability to which Gates refers is the Live Mesh collaboration/synchronization platform/service which Microsoft recently unveiled. But Gates made it sound like there’s something beyond Mesh that could be in the works for Windows 7. Again, from the transcript:
“We’re also a participant in building software for the mobile phones, and our proposition is to build a great mobile operating system, but also to have it be the one that connects best to the Windows PCs. So we’re working hard on both of those things….
“For a customer there are going to be phones with larger screens, and PCs with smaller screens. In fact, there will be even an overlap, but I think the key for us is to drive all the applications, and let the user move easily back and forth. Our best customers are going to have a great mobile phone, and they’re going to have a great personal computer. And if we don’t make those scenarios work well together, that will hold back both of those markets.”
Gates also told the audience that Microsoft is going to deliver a “major new version of Windows” every two to three years. (A caveat: Gates also said not too long ago that Microsoft would deliver a new version of Internet Explorer every 9 to 12 months. IE 7 shipped in October 2006; we’re still only at Beta 1 for IE 8.)
What’s your take? What kinds of new features in Windows 7 — and Windows Mobile 7, allegedly due out in 2009 — might improve PC-to-mobile connectivity and what kinds of applications/services would benefit?
http://blogs.zdnet.com/microsoft/?p=1394&tag=nl.e539Ful transcript at http://www.microsoft.com/presspass/exec/billg/speeches/2008/05-07japanwdlc.mspx
The talk was about Windows, PCs and where it can go in the future, "connecting to all the great innovations taking place".
"Most of the interesting scenarios involve moving back and forth. If you want to be notified of things, that's great to be mobile, but the large screen that you have on the PC makes it play a unique role that's complementary to all of the other devices. And so thinking about the mobile phone, and how that works with the PC is important. When I walk up to a PC, if I'm on the phone, I should be able to have the call, if it's connected through the Internet, run on the PC, and then if the person on the other end has a large screen, we should be able to bring up documents and edit them together at the same time we're talking with each other. And so even a phone call should be seamless moving onto the device that I want to work with. And so I think thinking through these scenarios, whether it's TV, or reading, or digital curriculum, or healthcare records, e-government, every one of those we can make the PC even better as a tool for those scenarios. And through those joint investments make it clear what the innovation should be in these new types of PCs.
"One of the big changes in this second digital decade will be that instead of just using the keyboard and the mouse to interact, we'll be interacting in a number of new ways. And I often call these, broadly, natural user interface. Now, many of you have been around the industry as we and others have been investing in speech recognition, and ink recognition, and touch screens and those things, and you probably see that now those are becoming really mature. The quality, the speed of the hardware is allowing those things to come to life."
"A good example of this is that Microsoft took a Windows machine with a camera and created a table-like device we call Microsoft Surface. And today it's still fairly expensive, but that will come down in price so that the desk in the office will be a surface, and you can touch documents, you can look at business data, expand on that. You've seen this in science fiction films, but in fact, it's becoming a reality now."
LOL
[What? No mention of the iPhone? hehe]
"Which of these interfaces will take off, which applications, that's hard to predict, but we need to get out there, and try these new things out, to achieve the full potential of this new digital decade."
"One thing the PC has not been very good at is two people working together, because it's been very focused on one person sitting at that keyboard. If you want to have your family looking at photos, or organizing those, picking the best one, if you want to sit and talk about organizing a trip or something like that, it hasn't been that easy. As we get these new interfaces, and bigger screens, cheap screen-type things, then that will be very different."
"These things like digital commerce, and mapping, getting those available, getting them to be high quality, getting traffic information available, those are valuable for all these different applications."
What Gates is talking about dewy eyed, is what Apple is about to deliver.
"Throughout the history of the PC there's always been skepticism about the new activities, and what things would take off, and it's been amazing that, in fact, in every case, as the hardware got better and the software got better, that came together. I think there is an understanding of how the magic of the chip level, and the software level has been key to that."
"The ability to be lower power, take less memory, be more efficient, and have lots more connections up to the mobile phone, so those scenarios connect up well to make it a great platform for the best gaming that can be done, to connect up to the thing being done out on the Internet, so that, for example, if you have two personal computers, that your files automatically are synchronized between them, and so you don't have a lot of work to move that data back and forth."
Oh sweet lordie, I'm roflcoptering!
"Also the effort to upgrade, I think that's an area we got a lot of feedback in Vista, that we need to invest in that, and we're going to make that very, very simple for people. So Vista is doing well, and we're hard at work putting even more investment now in the version that comes after that."
LOL
Jobs is about to run a bulldozing 3G iPhone through Windows Live Mail
"We're also building into Windows, of course, things that connect through the Internet. We broadly talk about those as Windows Live. This would include things like photo sharing, and social networking, electronic mail. There's a variety of things available, and we'll obviously give third parties a great way to plug in to Windows to do these things, but we'll have some native services like this ability to synchronize your files, or like the free mail and things, and we'll be making those dramatically better."
"We're also a participant in building software for the mobile phones, and our proposition is to build a great mobile operating system, but also to have it be the one that connects best to the Windows PCs. So we're working hard on both of those things. This is an area where we've had a lot of growth in the last couple of years now, up to about 20 million. I was looking at some of the new phones in this market, and I'm very excited about what's going on there.
For a customer there are going to be phones with larger screens, and PCs with smaller screens. In fact, there will be even an overlap, but I think the key for us is to drive all the applications, and let the user move easily back and forth. Our best customers are going to have a great mobile phone, and they're going to have a great personal computer. And if we don't make those scenarios work well together, that will hold back both of those markets."
This is a business where thinking for the long-term is very important. If we think about things like handwriting recognition, or speech, or Internet TV, Microsoft has been investing in those things for more than 10 years, and yet they're not yet mainstream. Were able to make that kind of bet, make an investment. We have our research that is there to work closely with your research groups on those kinds of fundamental advances that will allow us to bring in things like natural user interface, that will allow us to take advantage of these multi-core architectures, will allow us to do security in a new and different way.
So it is a there will be constant change. I see Windows, a major new version of Windows every two to three years. I see the services that Windows connects up to, like the social networking, or the file synchronization, I see those things being updated on an even more regular basis. So it's a very dynamic environment, where getting the feedback from the customers is very important to that.
So this is how we think about this second digital decade, and this is how we say that the PC will change business more, be more pervasive, be in the desk, on the desk, in the meeting room, in the whiteboard, it will be in the home, in different form factors, and there will be this great connection between the PC and other devices. When you carry you phone up, if you want to use the full screen to display what's there that should be very straightforward.
So these are new experiences, these are connected experiences, and I think one thing that this group can come together on is not just the innovation to make these experiences possible, but also how we get the word out to customers about these new opportunities. And that's why I'm very excited at the response to this initiative. And let me just state that Microsoft has a huge commitment to it, and all of our key partners are here. That's very pleasing to us, and I'm excited to see what we can do together.
Thank you.
t0mat0
macrumors 603
I'm guessing you haven't googled it recently
e.g. A2DP iPhone 2.0
Gets you This page
Hence I think the SDK/ OS has already leaked info saying yes to A2DP. Sure someone can help fill you in. Google is your friend.
A look back in time
You see rumours like in a new light.
You heard it in December 07
(Or in September or prior if you're being pedantic)."A Seekingalpha [url=http://seekingalpha.com/article/58345-apple-s-mysterious-new-portable-device]article claims to have details on an upcoming Apple portable device which is described as a touch screen device. The details are claimed to come from "several different sources" over the past 6 months.
- Touch Screen device Larger than iPhone featuring one distinguishing button or depression on each side
- 5.2" 800x480 pixel touch screen by Balda
- No keyboard, multi-touch only
SeekingAlpha accepts outside article submissions and it appears that this author is simply a new contributor. And the content of his article appears to simply be reprints from his own blog. As a result the information should be considered unreliable until further data can be collected.
The concept of a Apple Mini-Tablet device is not new with first claims coming from Appleinsider in September. At that time, Appleinsider claimed that Apple had an ongoing PDA project described as an ultra-thin slate about 1.5 times the size of the existing iPhone with a high resolution (720x480) screen. "
Sept 07: Macrumors quotes Appleinsider
Remember Jobs has already admitted previously that Apple had been working on an Apple PDA in the labs, but had never shipped it. "Certainly back in 2003 all the rumors had aligned pointing to the imminent release of an Apple Tablet from traditionally reliable sources. The product never came to light."
Would make up for the damp squib MWSF keynote ending. (Is the Air it? feeling).
Would explain the Balda 5.2" 800 x 480 pixel touch screen design rumours
(Have fun googling "David Sieger" Apple turns up all sorts)
Would explain the driveless MacBook Air, and related innovations.
Would explain where the advanced multi-touch gestures are going to be 1st demo'd.
Starbucks and wifi for Apple = wifi for iPods in general v. soon.
More to come, but it took way too long annotating Gates' Apple lust speech.
koobcamuk
macrumors 68040
t0mat0
macrumors 603
So will Apple start a poster campaign, similar to the (MWSF) conference centre style ones of old, within current carrier shops (AT&T stores, O2 stores?)
Some mock ups that came from the MWSF roundup thread. I'll back to back post so I can show some more. It seems the "thing" - lets call it the iMID for now (If it's an enlarged iPhone, it should have phone hardware - which hasn't been confirmed (and yes enlarged is a simplistic way of looking at it)).
So what if... the rumours about [url=https://forums.macrumors.com/posts/4648405/]haptics were for the iMID or both the new iPhone and the iMID?
Old territory
We've had the wide touch-pad patents , and the patents on ignoring hands on multi-touch surface areas - these have been dragged over in January's MWSF rumour run through, but are worthy of airing.
Obviously using the iSight may not be relevant for an iMID to determine whether input on the screen is deliberate or just a byproduct of typing. But then that's what advanced multi-touch analysis is for through sensors in the . (infrared (IR) sensors that look “upward” or optical emitter-detector pairs)."
Rejection of accidental contact could come from having any contact with the f or j key rejected (home positions).Determining where the hand is wouldn't be that hard - as there are only so many angles fingers thumbs and wrists could be.Point, drag, tap, double tap, scrolling, panning, zooming, and rotating images , plus pinching, expanding etc.
Remember that if they did go the iSight route (How long have ACDs been not refreshed?) then they'd also be able to put a sensor in that would recognise an iPhone being used with its accelerometers for e.g. gaming => iPhone on the PC/ Big screen. Wouldn't it be cool to do head to head gaming through a Apple Pro/iMac, projected onto a wall? Think Bonjour for iPhone here too. These iPhones OS 2.0 have Bonjour in. It surely ain't 1 player only
As for tactility, haptic feedback of such a device wouldn't be a problem, as it's already out in the wild elsewhere.
Problems that need solving:
- Connections remain an issue. You don't really want cables.
- The tablet spans an issue Apple needs to get sorted fast (meshtastic?). Syncing.
As Bill Gates said at MIX06:
Then your mini-tablet/MID can sync with your other Apple computer(s). It can be independent, you can link it to a BT keyboard/mouse and make it into a UMPC in it's own right, or it can be "slaved to be used as a multitouch pad for use with an existing iMac/ other mac"
Philippe Phillope
Might be fun to watch the flip-flop on the Apple- Intel relationship as reported now (before, after PA Semi purchase and now after Intel announcement on Atom).
http://www.appleinsider.com/article...to_adopt_intels_ultra_mobile_pc_platform.html
"Apple Inc. will form a closer bond with once-rival Intel Corp. early next year when it begins building a new breed of UMPCs from the chipmaker into a fresh generation of handheld devices, AppleInsider has learned"
The photo of the Intel MID from the Fall IDF, was an unnamed Moorestown processor, with Intel saying it was the "chip the iPhone would have wanted." SoC goodness from Intel?
The press circa Sept 2007 slated the "Moorestown" processor's time to market as not realistically until 2009 or 2010. Has the Apple-Intel relationship moved this forward, ala MacBook Air?
Making super-slim UMPCage look well, quite svelt.
Remember the rumours about 5.2 inch 800 x 480 pixel touch screens?
480p = 720×480
720p = 1280 x 720
1080p = 1920x1080
Maybe you agree with the move away slightly from physical keyboards. Maybe you're shouting: "Give me a real keyboard none of that freaky "TOUCH" crap!
We'll see.
Some mock ups that came from the MWSF roundup thread. I'll back to back post so I can show some more. It seems the "thing" - lets call it the iMID for now (If it's an enlarged iPhone, it should have phone hardware - which hasn't been confirmed (and yes enlarged is a simplistic way of looking at it)).
So what if... the rumours about [url=https://forums.macrumors.com/posts/4648405/]haptics were for the iMID or both the new iPhone and the iMID?
Old territory
We've had the wide touch-pad patents , and the patents on ignoring hands on multi-touch surface areas - these have been dragged over in January's MWSF rumour run through, but are worthy of airing.
Obviously using the iSight may not be relevant for an iMID to determine whether input on the screen is deliberate or just a byproduct of typing. But then that's what advanced multi-touch analysis is for through sensors in the . (infrared (IR) sensors that look “upward” or optical emitter-detector pairs)."
Rejection of accidental contact could come from having any contact with the f or j key rejected (home positions).Determining where the hand is wouldn't be that hard - as there are only so many angles fingers thumbs and wrists could be.Point, drag, tap, double tap, scrolling, panning, zooming, and rotating images , plus pinching, expanding etc.
Remember that if they did go the iSight route (How long have ACDs been not refreshed?
) then they'd also be able to put a sensor in that would recognise an iPhone being used with its accelerometers for e.g. gaming => iPhone on the PC/ Big screen. Wouldn't it be cool to do head to head gaming through a Apple Pro/iMac, projected onto a wall? Think Bonjour for iPhone here too. These iPhones OS 2.0 have Bonjour in. It surely ain't 1 player onlyAs for tactility, haptic feedback of such a device wouldn't be a problem, as it's already out in the wild elsewhere.
Problems that need solving:
- Connections remain an issue. You don't really want cables.
- The tablet spans an issue Apple needs to get sorted fast (meshtastic?). Syncing.
As Bill Gates said at MIX06:
Then your mini-tablet/MID can sync with your other Apple computer(s). It can be independent, you can link it to a BT keyboard/mouse and make it into a UMPC in it's own right, or it can be "slaved to be used as a multitouch pad for use with an existing iMac/ other mac"
Philippe Phillope
Might be fun to watch the flip-flop on the Apple- Intel relationship as reported now (before, after PA Semi purchase and now after Intel announcement on Atom).
http://www.appleinsider.com/article...to_adopt_intels_ultra_mobile_pc_platform.html
"Apple Inc. will form a closer bond with once-rival Intel Corp. early next year when it begins building a new breed of UMPCs from the chipmaker into a fresh generation of handheld devices, AppleInsider has learned"
The photo of the Intel MID from the Fall IDF, was an unnamed Moorestown processor, with Intel saying it was the "chip the iPhone would have wanted." SoC goodness from Intel?
The press circa Sept 2007 slated the "Moorestown" processor's time to market as not realistically until 2009 or 2010. Has the Apple-Intel relationship moved this forward, ala MacBook Air?
Making super-slim UMPCage look well, quite svelt.
Remember the rumours about 5.2 inch 800 x 480 pixel touch screens?
480p = 720×480
720p = 1280 x 720
1080p = 1920x1080
Maybe you agree with the move away slightly from physical keyboards. Maybe you're shouting: "Give me a real keyboard none of that freaky "TOUCH" crap!
We'll see.
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In this link:
http://www.iphonebuzz.com/iphone-sd...gps-and-ominous-bricking-reference-102167.php
It shows a bricking reference!
PLEASE don't do this apple, I AM getting an iPhone, I want a V2 but if you make it silly to unlock then you just loose out on £300 of my money as im NOT getting a O2 contract, thats for sure.
It'll be broken anyway but my k750i is dying and I neeeeeed a new phone ASAP!
http://www.iphonebuzz.com/iphone-sd...gps-and-ominous-bricking-reference-102167.php
It shows a bricking reference!
PLEASE don't do this apple, I AM getting an iPhone, I want a V2 but if you make it silly to unlock then you just loose out on £300 of my money as im NOT getting a O2 contract, thats for sure.
It'll be broken anyway but my k750i is dying and I neeeeeed a new phone ASAP!