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I am so SICK of hearing about the iPhone! Since January of last year, MacRumors has EXCESSIVELY focused on the iPhone and left all other products screaming for attention. iPhone reports outnumber all other Apple products several times over. Just look at the MR front page and count iPhone stories vs. all others.


Could that be that there isn't a lot going on with other Apple products, which isn't the fault of MR, if you want to complain, go see Apple.
Nobody is forced to read anything on any website, you have complete control over your eyes, hands, mouse, keyboard....etc etc.
 
I would buy it if it has tethering and unlimited data. Then I would cancel my Internet:p I could actually save money-- if by chance they happened to roll it out in the us--- and did the impossible task of keeping the price the same.
 
MMS users are not the target buyers for the iPhone.
It is inferior in every way to email.
Lower res and you get charged for it.
This feature is for low cost phones with no email owned by mostly teenagers.

Your opinion.....I'm sure there are a fair few iPhone users who would disagree with you.
 
Your opinion.....I'm sure there are a fair few iPhone users who would disagree with you.
Disagree with the fact that MMS is inferior or that there is not a great demand for this old, outdated feature? It seems the major complaint about not having MMS is that they can't send a lo res photo to a cheap phone.
 
HSPA comes in a variety of speeds, however, and AT&T's implementation is said to offer 1.4 Mbps (~175KB/s) download and 800Kbps (100KB/s) upload speeds when complete.
Is this the first HSPA capable network in USA? In Finland we have 2 Mbit/s HSUPA countrywide and that will increase to 5 Mbit/s by the end of summer. And that will increase quite a lot next year.

And unlimited data costs 9 euros/month.
 
He said that "By Xmas this phone will be capable of 42mbs "

Now well... does that mean there will be yet ANOTHER iPhone out by Xmass or that the network will be capable to deliver those speeds at that time?

:eek::confused:
 
I am so SICK of hearing about the iPhone! Since January of last year, MacRumors has EXCESSIVELY focused on the iPhone and left all other products screaming for attention. iPhone reports outnumber all other Apple products several times over. Just look at the MR front page and count iPhone stories vs. all others.

I, on the other hand, am disappointed if I go a whole day of work and don't see a new iPhone rumor somewhere. One fewer thing to bring up around the ol' water cooler, so to speak.
 
I'm a little confused, what is the difference between these 42 Mbps (5250KB/s)???

I know the obvious answer of Megabits and Kilobits, I'm not stupid, but I just did a speed test of our internet here at my work on http://www.speedtest.net/ and it said download was "6161 kbps". So that would be about 50 Mbps right?

So how does that work when I am almost positive that at home I only get 3 Mbps with Quest but it is faster than at my work??? :confused:

Sorry, but can someone explain this to me a bit? lol

Mbps = Megabits per second
KB/s = kilobytes per second

note the capital vs lowercase "B"

6161 kbps (kilobits/s) = 6.1 Mbps (megabits/s) = ~770 KBps (kiloBYTES/s)

arn
 
Disagree with the fact that MMS is inferior or that there is not a great demand for this old, outdated feature? It seems the major complaint about not having MMS is that they can't send a lo res photo to a cheap phone.
Well, until Steve Jobs gives all my friends a free iPhone, don't you think it would make sense to support a standard feature of the mobile phones that most people own? If you don't want to use MMS, fine, but many would find it useful.
 
I just hope my new iPhone will make telephone calls. :D
Currently, it drops call, can not connect to the AT&T network to even get a signal, calls go right to voice mail, on & on...
As it is right now - it is the worst "cell phone" I have ever had.

Not here, mine works fantastic as a cell phone. Best ever. Just my experience. Your mileage may vary.
 
How can you blame a phone for living in a weak coverage area? :confused:

Good question..:rolleyes: not really blaming the phone... I guess im just curious will upgrading to a 3g phone make call reception any better? its just funny with verizon, the coverage is great.. and I am on the AT&T map... drive a half mile up the road or if I happen to be aligned properly with the powers that be I may get a call, but one false move.. :mad:
 
Mbps = Megabits per second
KB/s = kilobytes per second

note the capital vs lowercase "B"

6161 kbps (kilobits/s) = 6.1 Mbps (megabits/s) = ~770 KBps (kiloBYTES/s)

arn

So the iPhone will be 1.4 Mbps for now which is almost 5 times slower than my internet connection on my computer here at work right, or an average home internet connection??? Until AT&T beefs up their 3G to 7.2 Mbps next year, which will then finally be faster than most home internet connections and followed by 20 Mbps by 2010 which will be MUCH faster than the internet in our homes. Although the iPhone would be capable of 42 Mbps, AT&T has said they will only be capable of 20 Mbps with Evolved HSPA by 2010.

Is that all basically correct Arn? Thanks for the pointers :)
 
Well, until Steve Jobs gives all my friends a free iPhone, don't you think it would make sense to support a standard feature of the mobile phones that most people own? If you don't want to use MMS, fine, but many would find it useful.
Not if it is an old feature that very few people use or want at the iPhone level. Growing pains as new tech takes over old tech.
 
It makes up for it unless you wish to send or receive a picture from anyone that doesn't have an iPhone. Which is ... just about everyone I know.

There is no reason the iPhone can't do this, it can't be that hard to engineer... Apple just doesn't WANT to do it.

$10 says the next iPhone still won't MMS.

Every other picture phone I've had can email pictures as well as send them MMS. (Although I've only had three others; a Samsung, a Sony-Ericsson, and a Motorola.)
 
I just hope my new iPhone will make telephone calls. :D
Currently, it drops call, can not connect to the AT&T network to even get a signal, calls go right to voice mail, on & on...
As it is right now - it is the worst "cell phone" I have ever had.

Check your serial number, you may have a fake. LOL
Or you are in a fringe area, no fault of the iPhone.
Otherwise you have a warranty issue.
Or could this just be FUD?
 
MMS users are not the target buyers for the iPhone.
It is inferior in every way to email.
Lower res and you get charged for it.
This feature is for low cost phones with no email owned by mostly teenagers.

It's also included for free in messaging plans and is a feature that even the cheapest freebie phones include, and one which would take absolutely minimal effort to include.

Luckily, I'm guessing that someone will create a third-party app to support it, as SwirlyMMS has done for Jailbroken iPhones.
 
So the iPhone will be 1.4 Mbps for now which is almost 5 times slower than my internet connection on my computer here at work right, or an average home internet connection??? Until AT&T beefs up their 3G to 7.2 Mbps next year, which will then finally be faster than most home internet connections and followed by 20 Mbps by 2010 which will be MUCH faster than the internet in our homes. Although the iPhone would be capable of 42 Mbps, AT&T has said they will only be capable of 20 Mbps with Evolved HSPA by 2010.

Is that all basically correct Arn? Thanks for the pointers :)

No.

The general usage of data speed is in 'bits' per second. There are 8 bits in a byte. So while we refer to, for example, a floppy disk as "one point four megabytes capacity", we refer to DSL as "one point five megabits per second." In general, people use a lower-case 'b' for bits, and an upper-case 'B' for Bytes. Then we have "Mega" versus "Kilo". Kilo, in usual computer-speak means 1,024, while Mega means 1,048,576 (1024*1024.) Theoretically, both the K and M should be upper-case, as in SI prefixes, all greater-than-zero prefixes are upper-case, and all less-than-zero prefixes are lower-case. But in common usage, people often lower-case the K.

So, for example, my speed tests of my home cable connection show about 20 Mbps. This is Megabits per second. Or 20 times 1,048,576 bits per second. Or about 20,971,520 bits (ones and zeros) per second. If we convert this to the more commonly-used in storage terms "Bytes", then we divide by 8. So 20 Mbps is about 2.5 MBps. That means I can transfer the contents of a standard 1.4 MB floppy disk in a little over half a second.

Dial-up internet tops out at 56 Kbps. 56,000 bits per second. Not bytes. Current EDGE is about that same speed. HSDPA can reach theoretically 7.2 Mbps (bits, not bytes.) Or a little less than half my home internet connection. But, as you have mentioned, AT&T only lists about 1.4 Mbps. Which is about the same speed as your average DSL connection.

But, as another post of mine mentions, EDGE, HSDPA, and E-HSPA all have fairly high latency. While my cable internet has latency (ping times) of about 40 ms to most places in the US, my EDGE connection gets about 200-300 ms. Which is about the same as dial-up internet. From tests I have seen, HSDPA and E-HSPA are about equal to EDGE. So while the raw data transfer is fast, the latency is slow. This means that playing 'twich' shooter games would be difficult. (By comparison, the worst 'standard' type of broadband internet connection, as far as latency goes, is satellite, which suffers from the half second (500 ms) speed-of-light delay getting to geostationary orbit and back.)
 
I'm guessing that someone will create a third-party app to support it, as SwirlyMMS has done for Jailbroken iPhones.

I think that is the best solution and I agree, there will be a few 3rd party MMS apps available very soon for the users who would like it.
 
No.

The general usage of data speed is in 'bits' per second. There are 8 bits in a byte. So while we refer to, for example, a floppy disk as "one point four megabytes capacity", we refer to DSL as "one point five megabits per second." In general, people use a lower-case 'b' for bits, and an upper-case 'B' for Bytes. Then we have "Mega" versus "Kilo". Kilo, in usual computer-speak means 1,024, while Mega means 1,048,576 (1024*1024.) Theoretically, both the K and M should be upper-case, as in SI prefixes, all greater-than-zero prefixes are upper-case, and all less-than-zero prefixes are lower-case. But in common usage, people often lower-case the K.

So, for example, my speed tests of my home cable connection show about 20 Mbps. This is Megabits per second. Or 20 times 1,048,576 bits per second. Or about 20,971,520 bits (ones and zeros) per second. If we convert this to the more commonly-used in storage terms "Bytes", then we divide by 8. So 20 Mbps is about 2.5 MBps. That means I can transfer the contents of a standard 1.4 MB floppy disk in a little over half a second.

Dial-up internet tops out at 56 Kbps. 56,000 bits per second. Not bytes. Current EDGE is about that same speed. HSDPA can reach theoretically 7.2 Mbps (bits, not bytes.) Or a little less than half my home internet connection. But, as you have mentioned, AT&T only lists about 1.4 Mbps. Which is about the same speed as your average DSL connection.

But, as another post of mine mentions, EDGE, HSDPA, and E-HSPA all have fairly high latency. While my cable internet has latency (ping times) of about 40 ms to most places in the US, my EDGE connection gets about 200-300 ms. Which is about the same as dial-up internet. From tests I have seen, HSDPA and E-HSPA are about equal to EDGE. So while the raw data transfer is fast, the latency is slow. This means that playing 'twich' shooter games would be difficult. (By comparison, the worst 'standard' type of broadband internet connection, as far as latency goes, is satellite, which suffers from the half second (500 ms) speed-of-light delay getting to geostationary orbit and back.)

Thanks for the help :) Cool yet depressing at the same time lol! The US really needs to actually become the technology leader we claim to be and play some serious catch up in national infrastructure! Come on WIMAX!
 
How can you blame a phone for living in a weak coverage area? :confused:

Well, you could blame Apple for partnering with a phone company with a crappy network, and not letting people use the phone with other carriers. I don't know that Apple had much choice in the matter, nor do I know that T-Mobile (iIrc the only other GSM carrier in the U.S.) would be any better, but those limitations are still significant, are dependent on the phone even if they're not the phone's "fault", and are not the fault of the user.

(I don't have an iPhone myself, yet; one of the reasons I've been reluctant to get one is other folks' stories of AT&T's crappy coverage, and the fact that Verizon, as much as I hate them, seems to have a pretty good network for my purposes.)
 
Heh, absolute overkill for my needs. I just want something around 2mbps (to match my home connection) and I'll be happy. But still it's great this tech might be in the next iPhone and probably very great for the people who'll use it!

Even here we only get HSDPA coverage in the city. Ho hum!
 
I am so SICK of hearing about the iPhone! Since January of last year, MacRumors has EXCESSIVELY focused on the iPhone and left all other products screaming for attention. iPhone reports outnumber all other Apple products several times over. Just look at the MR front page and count iPhone stories vs. all others.

I'm even more sick of hearing about how people don't want to hear about the iPhone/any other product. Practice self-censorship. You don't have to read everything that is posted. And before you say anything about me doing likewise—this would normally apply to your comment as well, but when I'm already in the thread, I have to read everything to know what's going on.

I, on the other hand, am disappointed if I go a whole day of work and don't see a new iPhone rumor somewhere. One fewer thing to bring up around the ol' water cooler, so to speak.

Me too. There's a huge demand on these forums for them. I'm sad when nothing new comes out because that's less fodder to tide me over until they finally release the damn thing.

Well, until Steve Jobs gives all my friends a free iPhone, don't you think it would make sense to support a standard feature of the mobile phones that most people own? If you don't want to use MMS, fine, but many would find it useful.

Most phones can be sent a message through an email address that is roughly [phone number] @ [service's domain]. I don't know if pictures could be sent through there, but I don't really see why not. They'll receive it as a text message.
 
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