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3rd Generation iPad Reviews: Retina Display "Stunning", LTE Speeds Impressive

*LTD* said:
Complete baloney.

It's all done according to Apple's design and specs. If it doesn't come from Samsung it'll come from someone else. Samsung is a major supplier, that's it.

Why is there no "retina" Samsung tablet??

No, I'll thank Apple for being Apple. That's the one and only reason I've got an iPad in my hands today and not a slab of crap that we saw pre-iPad.
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No, it's not complete baloney. Yes, Apple determined the requirements and most likely designed / was responsible for the engineering of the retina display. But the fact is...YOU (as well as myself), do not know exactly what kind of collaboration between Apple and Samsung occurred to support the engineering of this display .

In addition to that, per your comment "If it doesn't come from Samsung it'll come from someone else"... if that's the case, then why isn't the new iPad being released with retina displays from other companies? Give credit where it's due. Being able to produce a display that meets retina specs and being able to do it in mass quantity with a certain level of quality does deserve recognition.

You do realize that it's possible to appreciate what Samsung and Apple both do, right? That appreciation isn't mutually exclusive.
 
newyorksole said:
I'm pretty sure the 3rd Gen iPad is not slower than the iPad 2, that wouldn't make sense. The new iPad also has more RAM. A5X + 1GB RAM doesn't make for a slower iPad.

Despite that benchmark, it's not slower.
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At less than a 2% difference between the two, it's fairly likely that the difference can be accounted for by a very slight difference in CPU load between the two devices. (For example, one may have been processing a pushed notification, or email during the run.)

It's also supremely unlikely that someone would be able to notice such a small difference without actually running a benchmark on it. In other words, even if it actually *is* 2% slower, nobody's going to be able to tell without consulting benchmark results.
 
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For the such competition in the phone market its amazing that no1 else can compete with the ipad. For all the haters of it whats the best option? There is nothing else at the mo. Maybe windows 8 may show something different. But I do think apple needs to pull finger with the next iphone after 4 years with basically the same ui its getting kinda boring. The sgs3 sounds pretty nice if you believe the rumours. Lets hope so apple.
 
For 3D gaming it is about 50% faster at 720p (1280x720) resolution. See the 'GLBenchmark 2.1 Egypt Offscreen 720p' test at the link below. Don't go by the non 'offscreen' benchmarks at the top because the ipad caps the frame rate at 60fps for them.


This compares the ipad 2, ipad gen 3, and asus transformer prime

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http://www.glbenchmark.com/compare....Pad 3&D3=Asus Eee Pad Transformer Prime TF201
 
In regards to the Verge Video:

What keyboard is he using at 1:37 of the clip and what game is that at 2:01?
 
From reading these reviews, I think it's pretty hilarious to see the analogy of how gorgeous the screen is on this device (compared to the iPad 2) and getting a pair of glasses/contact lenses continue to pop up.

I don't have super awful vision like some, but bad enough that I benefit from wearing glasses most of the time. I know when I got them for the first time, I was like "OMG EVERYTHING IS SO SHARP, IT'S LIKE 3D." I can imagine the experience of the retina display is actually pretty similar.
 
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JHankwitz said:
shanmugam said:
i said it earlier, let me say it again, they should have improved the front facing camera not the back facing camera.
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You're so egotistical. You're willing to sacrifice performance just to make yourself look better? Good grief!
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The front facing camera has more use on a tablet than the back for skype, facetime etc.. When do you use the rear camera ona tablet??
 
nozebleed said:
NYT did a hit piece on them almost immediately after Jobs passed, as a result got left out of 10.8 preview. Of course they are going to be like "meh". You don't think so? Give it a few weeks and there will be another trumped up story about something ridiculous, like Siri being advertised more that what its capable of....o wait

what a rag

edit: i broke my own rule of not reading the entire thread before responding with the same point, glad some others see the same thing i did
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The rumor that Pogue was left out of the 10.8 preview is false. Gruber himself confirmed that Pogue got a briefing, and Pogue's preview of Mountain Lion ran in the paper.

Pogue didn't write the foxcon stories, and doesn't work with the NYT newsdesk. Chances are he didn't know about those stories until they ran.

Also Apple doesn't have relationships with publications, they have them with journalist. They like Pouge, they trust him to be fair, and so he gets access. Case in point Topolsky left engadget, and now they don't get review units but he still does.

This is not meant as defense of Pouge. I don't like him, just not for this silly made up gossip. It's not like he gave it a bad review, he just didn't scream quite as loud as everybody else. He still says (correctly) that no other tablet is close.

I just think it's funny that all Apple people think he has a beef against Apple, and all the Android people think he is on the Apple payroll.

(And on a personal note: I wish we, the hardcore Apple fans, had thicker skin about this stuff. It makes us look petty that if everyone doesn't agree with everything we think we flip out.)
 
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spiderman0616 said:
The NY Times has something up their butt about Apple lately. I didn't expect a good review from Pogue.
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Poor David Pogue. He gets slammed as an Apple enthusiast (phanbuoy) if he says anything good about the company or its products. And slammed here if he doesn't wax ecstatic.

I read his review, and it seemed reasonable to me. His main beef was with the fact that non-optimized Apps looked a little grainy - hardly Apple's fault and something that will be rectified in the coming weeks.

I doubt, very strongly, that there is any serious rift between the people at the New York Times and Apple. And even if there was, I doubt seriously if it would influence a technical reviewers writeup on a new product.
 
What will be even funnier is when Apple loyalists get a LTE iPad and test out LTE speeds. All that Sh-talking about "We dont need that in our iPhone yet," "Its not wildly adopted" "Data caps" etc. After this weekend I imagine a LOT of people will be singing a different toon.

ON the other hand, if you can step out of the apple RDF you could of enjoyed LTE speeds for well over a year! The new iPad will make a nice companion device to my Galaxy Nexus!

Can't wait to see that screen!:)
 
dgree03 said:
What will be even funnier is when Apple loyalists get a LTE iPad and test out LTE speeds. All that Sh-talking about "We dont need that in our iPhone yet," "Its not wildly adopted" "Data caps" etc. After this weekend I imagine a LOT of people will be singing a different toon.

ON the other hand, if you can step out of the apple RDF you could of enjoyed LTE speeds for well over a year! The new iPad will make a nice companion device to my Galaxy Nexus!

Can't wait to see that screen!:)
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I certainly would have appreciated LTE last year (anyone with AT&T's "4G" HSPA+ in Manhattan would), but I can also see why Apple waited. LTE just was officially launched here about 2 months ago, and the chips used are still battery hogs. It's less of an issue on the iPad, but I'm content waiting until the next iPhone to get LTE, when more power-efficient chips are available.
 
Even with all the kudos in these reviews I think it STILL is being underreported what an achievement the new screen is.

Let's have some perspective.

1) The highest res. mobile screen ever.
2) Higher res. than any Mac screen ever shipped except for the 27 inch (very close) and 30 inch screens.
3) Despite being a low power mobile device the new iPad still retains the unmatched speed and fluidity of previous iPads (and yet still unmatched by any competitor) despite having 4 TIMES the pixels to push that often require huge graphic processors to run in desktop and laptop Macs.
4) IMHO such a leap in technology we won't see similar resolution screens in competing tablets for 12-24 months or LONGER. the phone industry still has not matched the resolution and dpi of the iPhone 4 screen 2 years later.

for the next year or two when shoppers LOOK at tablets in a target or walmart or best buy the difference between the iPad and all others will be obvious.
 
GeniusJon said:
NY Times can suck it.
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Because they have an objective veiwpoint? :confused:

I see a lot of neck and shoulders in this thread. ;)

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newyorksole said:
I'm pretty sure the 3rd Gen iPad is not slower than the iPad 2, that wouldn't make sense. The new iPad also has more RAM. A5X + 1GB RAM doesn't make for a slower iPad.

Despite that benchmark, it's not slower.
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Better specs does not necessarily equate to faster performance.
Just like an overclocked i5 can smoke a top of the line -7 CPU on certain performance tasks.
It all depends on how the OS is implemented and if it can maximize the HW.
If seems Apple missed the mark on this HW upgrade other than upgrading the screen.
 
bawbac said:
If seems Apple missed the mark on this HW upgrade other than upgrading the screen.
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They upgraded the screen and upgraded the (graphics) processing power and added a larger battery. Unfortunately the effect gets cancelled out because of what's needed to drive the new screen, so what we appear to get is an iPad with a better screen and pretty much "it's the same" on everything else.

So I see both sides as being right.

On the one hand, wow, what a technical feat to put in this crazy new screen and the stuff under the hood to drive it smoothly, without changing the size, shape, weight, overall performance, or battery life!

On the other hand, ho-hum, no change to the size, shape, weight, overall performance, or battery life...

It all depends on how you look at it. Of course if you already own an iPad 2 it's only an incremental upgrade. If you own anything else (I had an iPad 1), it's time to seriously look at upgrading.
 
MythicFrost said:
Did the NYT's review seem a little angry to anyone else? :p
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Angry and downplays how big of a spec bump this is. This was a lot more than the iphone 4 to 4S under the hood.

The only thing I found of any use in that review (that almost felt like he hadn't used the device or even seen one till he talked about video) was discussion of app size.

The app size wasn't something I broadly thought about prior to reading the NYT review. If apps take up 2-3X the storage space across all IOS devices, that's going to be a big hit to people's storage space. I can see where it would be a mess having multiple versions, but apps optimized for both the iPhone and iPad will get pretty huge... I now feel better about being impatient and snapping up a 32GB iPhone and not waiting for a 16. MIght need that space after all.
 
*LTD* said:
Complete baloney.

It's all done according to Apple's design and specs. If it doesn't come from Samsung it'll come from someone else. Samsung is a major supplier, that's it.

Why is there no "retina" Samsung tablet??

No, I'll thank Apple for being Apple. That's the one and only reason I've got an iPad in my hands today and not a slab of crap that we saw pre-iPad.
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That's not true. I would bet cash money that Apple does not own the IP behind this display. Why isn't Samsung using this display? Well there seems to be a consensus over at their HQ that a key differentiator for their mobile devices is their AMOLED technology, with its eye-catching saturation. Another possible reason might be that Samsung's divisions have a harder time talking to each other; Samsung is huge conglomerate the likes that have never been seen before in the world really, Samsung Display is probably significantly autonomous from Samsung Electronics.

I mean, come on, recall that Samsung actually showed off a 2560x1600 Super IPS LCD panel at FPD International Expo in October 2011. It was all over Engadget, and I spent some time looking for their vid so I could imagine what the iPad 3 is like.

Alot of people have way too rosy/fanboyish views of Apple's particular business strengths. Even Isaacson's book mentions that Apple is rarely lauded for its purely technical know-how. Their strength is simplifying complex technology for the consumer, and beautiful design, which is all very laudable and good. But they aren't optical scientist powerhouses, Siri's not going to kill Google, and there's no way they will come up with a product that competes with Maps.
 
MacAddict1978 said:
Angry and downplays how big of a spec bump this is. This was a lot more than the iphone 4 to 4S under the hood.

The only thing I found of any use in that review (that almost felt like he hadn't used the device or even seen one till he talked about video) was discussion of app size.

The app size wasn't something I broadly thought about prior to reading the NYT review. If apps take up 2-3X the storage space across all IOS devices, that's going to be a big hit to people's storage space. I can see where it would be a mess having multiple versions, but apps optimized for both the iPhone and iPad will get pretty huge... I now feel better about being impatient and snapping up a 32GB iPhone and not waiting for a 16. MIght need that space after all.
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I can't believe people would be foolish enough to consider this a an 'S' upgrade. I look at the new models as major noticable revisions of hardware. The S ones would be minor refreshes and specifications bumps (or adding software which actually could work on the previous model like Siri on 4S). I suspect that you will not be able to see this new one sitting next to an iPad 2 and wonder which one is which. Maybe if you left your iPad turned off and never looked at the screen you would consider this a iPad 2S.
 
ks-man said:
If somebody doesn’t care about the screen very much and doesn’t see value in the upgrade, clearly they shouldn’t get one. Likewise, people who don’t care much about the retina display shouldn’t assume that others don’t see a vast improvement and diminish the upgrade as pointless.
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Everyone that is focusing on whether it's a good "upgrade" is missing the bigger part of the market. There are still a lot of people who haven't jumped into the market yet. This will be my and many other's first iPad. I have been waiting specifically for better display and LTE. Now is a great time to buy your first iPad.
 
edwurtle said:
Everyone that is focusing on whether it's a good "upgrade" is missing the bigger part of the market. There are still a lot of people who haven't jumped into the market yet. This will be my and many other's first iPad. I have been waiting specifically for better display and LTE. Now is a great time to buy your first iPad.
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I don't think it's a good enough upgrade if you have the iPad 2, but definitely a great upgrade if you have the original iPad.
 
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