4.7-Inch iPhone to Feature Wireless Charging Next Year

[JohnStrass]

I'm too excited for the next iPhone to be this far from release

Why the heck does the "small" iPhone need to be "entry level" I hate my big clunker 7. An iPhone should be able to be used with one hand.

 

[rGiskard]

It had better keep the Lightning port so I can charge old school. Long range directed energy wireless charging is a fool's gold. It's too much EMR to beam around in vicinity of organic life forms.

 

[moonjelly]

That all sounds correct, but at present day we are only talking about devices that sit on pads.

No. There are posts in this thread discussing area charging who apparently dont understand these will be serious power hogs ( hundreds or thousands of watts) just to deliver a few milliwatts.

 

[zombierunner]

Will it work with a proper case and screen protector on?

 

[sulpfiction]

All things considered, it looks like iPhone 7 was nothing but filler.

You're absolutely right. And I (and many others) were actually pleasantly surprised when it launched because it is a beautiful, fast phone. I love my matte black 7....Which makes it a whole lot easier passing the time until Sept. 17.

 

[otternonsense]

You're absolutely right. And I (and many others) were actually pleasantly surprised when it launched because it is a beautiful, fast phone. I love my matte black 7....Which makes it a whole lot easier passing the time until Sept. 17.

I'm on the other boat with those who were bitterly disappointed to see Cook & Schiller announce a black 3.5" jack-less iPhone 6S as their next gen "breakthrough". Not that it was unexpected after months of intricate rumors and leaks, but come on. I was hoping Apple would pull an ace out of its sleeve. Those days are over.

 

[Rob_2811]

But your point is that people need a port to plug in and backup their iPhone, whether the AppleWatch has a port or not is irrelevant if the customer can't use it, as you suggest is necessary. So for all practical purposes the AppleWatch is portless as far as the customer -- and your point -- are concerned.

Sync and backup are indeed different, but if you're going to debate these points you really should read up on them. Wifi sync will backup to the Mac as part of its sync functions. So yes it is performing the exact same function whether it's called that or not.

Do you even read what I write? I specifically stated they would not remove the ability to use wired devices but change from Lightning to something sealed like a SmartConnector or the inductive charging puck on the AppleWatch. I'm asking for data on your various other baseless claims for masses of customers not buying the iPhone because it doesn't have a headphone jack.

The Lightning EarBuds not being compatible with a Mac or PC, or anything buy an iOS device is NOT moot. Anybody who needs to use the EarPods with anything else, most likely will chose the adapter.

And why am I concerned with someone buying a rMB and using it innificciently? If someone wants to spend that kind of money and plug a bunch of dongles into one port, that's their problem. What does that have to do with the iPad? The same people can plug all the dongles they want into an iPad, which I've already stated won't likely lose its Lightning port for a long while as there's no need to -- heck once the iPhone drops ports altogether, the iPad might actually get USB-C ports as the Mac and iPad converge.

Talk about moving the goalposts ... Yours are all over the place. Do developers currently use the so-called "diagnostic ports" on the Apple Watch? No. Yet somehow they devlop just fine with no effective ports. As for trouble shooting, when Apple removes the ports, as they have effectively done on the Watch, they will have a new method to troubleshoot which doesn't need to be plugged into anything, just as the Watch doesn't, a point you conveniently continue to ignore. And if that isn't enough, there's the possibility that a SmartConnector port would provide this interface.

I can already backup to my Mac wirelessly, and restore from iCloud, which is why I haven't needed to plug in my iPhone to my Mac for years. The last time I took my iPhone into an Apple Store, they ran all of their diagnostics wirelessly! There is clearly a future here that doesn't require the Lightning port, whether you're ready to accept it or not.

Wow.

A completely wireless future does not exist in the here and now, your comment about people using the Macbook inefficiently is completely out of touch with reality. People use wired solutions because they are far more efficient and secure than wireless.

Your point about sync and backup being the same thing is just plain wrong.

There is no way that the necessary changes to xCode, iTunes and iCloud are going to be in place in order to make this happen by next September. People who think they are are in fantasy land, there is just no way they could do it without pissing a lot of people off. Quote me next September when the next iPhone ships with a Lightning port. Bet you dont..

 

[geoff5093]

While Apple is studying the idea of wireless charging, the fact wireless charge phones tend to be fairly thick and the issues raised by the Samsung Galaxy 7 debacle could force Apple to kibosh that idea.

It barely adds any thickness to the phone, look at how thin the Galaxy S7 is.

Also, the Note7 fiasco had nothing to do with wireless charging.
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0 ports.
No cable.
Just the iPhone.
Wireless everything.
TAKE MY MONEY.

You realize this is what many Android phones have had for years, right?

 

[ackmondual]

The 10th generation iPhone will just be called "iPhone"

iPhone Air!

5 years after that... iPhone Pro!

 

[geoff5093]

Wireless charging will improve. I'm not an expert, but wireless charging is a bit like a transformer which are all around us.
Also you have much bigger fish to fry. Wasting a small amount of energy is insignificant compared to just about any other device out there. (Fridge, air con, tumble drier, car, train, plane, lighting, washing machine, dish washer)

A fast wireless charging mat uses around 15-30W, and that requires the phone to be resting on the surface. People also complain about how slow these charge. Can you imagine the amount of power required to charge your phone at the same rate or faster, anywhere in a room?

While I don't know if this is comparable, look at a wireless router. Lets say the output power at the antenna is 100mW. If you are say across the room with a still excellent signal at lets say -50dBm, the effective power your device is receiving is only 0.0001mw of RF energy. Now guess how much power the base unit would have to be in order to provide ~10-20W of power to a device in any direction across the room.

 

[Rob_2811]

It barely adds any thickness to the phone, look at how thin the Galaxy S7 is.

Also, the Note7 fiasco had nothing to do with wireless charging.
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You realize this is what many Android phones have had for years, right?

Which Android phones have no ports?

 

[geoff5093]

Which Android phones have no ports?

I'm referring to using it completely wirelessly. What's the downside in having a port if the phone is still water resistant?

 

[Glideslope]

No Wireless Charge for the 4.7" in 2017. Going to wait until 2018 for the 4.7". Blame Tim.

 

[Rob_2811]

I'm referring to using it completely wirelessly. What's the downside in having a port if the phone is still water resistant?

Ah ok. There isn't any, its some bizarre fantasy world people live in where things can be done as efficiently wirelessly that they can with a cable. Like you say no benefit to removing ports, wireless charging can still be an option.

Yeah loads of Android phones with inductive wireless charging. Apple backed themselves into a corner with it with the switch to full aluminum phones with the iPhone 5, this why they're going back to glass.

 

[johngordon]

the ease of it is amazing. you will be annoyed by charging cables after you've had the wireless charging mat. you also don't have to worry about those stupid lightn$ng cords breaking.

Because putting a phone on a dock isn't easy?

The lightning cable is permanently connected to the dock so really isn't about to break.

 

[sulpfiction]

I'm on the other boat with those who were bitterly disappointed to see Cook & Schiller announce a black 3.5" jack-less iPhone 6S as their next gen "breakthrough". Not that it was unexpected after months of intricate rumors and leaks, but come on. I was hoping Apple would pull an ace out of its sleeve. Those days are over.

That ace is coming in 2017. The fact that the "disappointing" 7 is very similar to the 6 should make you all the more excited for next years phone. Shareholders weren't ok with the 7 being like the 6 unless something REALLY big was coming. And it is.

 

[Mac 128]

Wow.

A completely wireless future does not exist in the here and now, your comment about people using the Macbook inefficiently is completely out of touch with reality. People use wired solutions because they are far more efficient and secure than wireless.

Your point about sync and backup being the same thing is just plain wrong.

There is no way that the necessary changes to xCode, iTunes and iCloud are going to be in place in order to make this happen by next September. People who think they are are in fantasy land, there is just no way they could do it without pissing a lot of people off. Quote me next September when the next iPhone ships with a Lightning port. Bet you dont..

No, you are.

 

[dilbert99]

No. There are posts in this thread discussing area charging who apparently dont understand these will be serious power hogs ( hundreds or thousands of watts) just to deliver a few milliwatts.

No product will ever be released that consumes hundreds or thousands of watts to do wireless charging so I don't see the point of your post

 

[keithjfuller]

Because putting a phone on a dock isn't easy?

The lightning cable is permanently connected to the dock so really isn't about to break.

you can say whatever you'd like to make yourself feel better about your bad purchases.

when apple "invents" wireless charging in a year or two i will put money on you professing your love to apple and their life-altering innovations.

 

[dilbert99]

A fast wireless charging mat uses around 15-30W, and that requires the phone to be resting on the surface. People also complain about how slow these charge. Can you imagine the amount of power required to charge your phone at the same rate or faster, anywhere in a room?

While I don't know if this is comparable, look at a wireless router. Lets say the output power at the antenna is 100mW. If you are say across the room with a still excellent signal at lets say -50dBm, the effective power your device is receiving is only 0.0001mw of RF energy. Now guess how much power the base unit would have to be in order to provide ~10-20W of power to a device in any direction across the room.

A fast wireless charger from QI standard rated at 15W and charges say a samsung phone in 90m (3A for 1.5h = 4.5Ah)
An iPhone charger is rated at 12W and charges the iPhone 7 plus in 3h (2.4A for 3h = 7.2Ah)
So seems that fast charging is more efficient than slow charging?
(Charge times taken from Anandtech - http://www.anandtech.com/show/10685/the-iphone-7-and-iphone-7-plus-review/5)
Which ones have you seen at 30W?

I haven't discussed distance charging because I have not seen any technology that does this further than 10cm, barring using lasers.
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Because putting a phone on a dock isn't easy?

The lightning cable is permanently connected to the dock so really isn't about to break.

It isn't easy with the iPhone 6, I have to fumble to put mine on its stand in low light. A pad is infinitely easier.
Also when connecting my phone in my car, I'd much rather put it in a stand that I don't have to connect a cable to the phone, much easier with wireless charging.

So I'm assuming when Apple add wireless charging in the 8, you'll not use it?
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Because putting a phone on a dock isn't easy?

The lightning cable is permanently connected to the dock so really isn't about to break.

It isn't easy with the iPhone 6, I have to fumble to put mine on its stand in low light. A pad is infinitely easier.
Also when connecting my phone in my car, I'd much rather put it in a stand that I don't have to connect a cable to the phone, much easier with wireless charging.

So I'm assuming when Apple add wireless charging in the 8, you'll not use it?

 

[apolloa]

Hmm well, I've gone back to the 6A because the camera is better, my 7 had too many bugs. But you can tell the other features are nice. So I'll probably buy next years model with a new design and what seems to be normal wireless charging, not the mythical beam it over several meters charging.
Hopefully it'll have a new camera that works and proper cellular speeds and not the different speeds we get now. Will it take a case though? Will look forward to what they make, hopefully something as iconic as the iPhone 4 was.

 

[geoff5093]

A fast wireless charger from QI standard rated at 15W and charges say a samsung phone in 90m (3A for 1.5h = 4.5Ah)
An iPhone charger is rated at 12W and charges the iPhone 7 plus in 3h (2.4A for 3h = 7.2Ah)
So seems that fast charging is more efficient than slow charging?
(Charge times taken from Anandtech - http://www.anandtech.com/show/10685/the-iphone-7-and-iphone-7-plus-review/5)
Which ones have you seen at 30W?

I haven't discussed distance charging because I have not seen any technology that does this further than 10cm, barring using lasers.
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It isn't easy with the iPhone 6, I have to fumble to put mine on its stand in low light. A pad is infinitely easier.
Also when connecting my phone in my car, I'd much rather put it in a stand that I don't have to connect a cable to the phone, much easier with wireless charging.

So I'm assuming when Apple add wireless charging in the 8, you'll not use it?
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It isn't easy with the iPhone 6, I have to fumble to put mine on its stand in low light. A pad is infinitely easier.
Also when connecting my phone in my car, I'd much rather put it in a stand that I don't have to connect a cable to the phone, much easier with wireless charging.

So I'm assuming when Apple add wireless charging in the 8, you'll not use it?

Quick charge chargers output up to 30W per port, but from what I've seen most phones and fast wireless chargers use around 15-20W, but the standard allows for more.

My main point was if it takes ~15W to charge a phone plugged in or via fast wireless charging, and seeing how much power is lost in the air, how much power would be consumed to charge a phone 10 feet away?

 

[dilbert99]

Quick charge chargers output up to 30W per port, but from what I've seen most phones and fast wireless chargers use around 15-20W, but the standard allows for more.

My main point was if it takes ~15W to charge a phone plugged in or via fast wireless charging, and seeing how much power is lost in the air, how much power would be consumed to charge a phone 10 feet away?

Fair enough but I didn't bring up charging across the room.
The QI standard I looked at stated 15W not 30W
https://www.wirelesspowerconsortium.com/developers/specification.html

The standard does allow higher power but that is for charging higher power devices, not really for phones.

The point I am trying to make is that wireless charging is getting more efficient as time goes on and there are bigger fish to fry than mobile charging and people stating that they wont use wireless charging because it is not efficient but then go on to use a ton of other less efficient devices in their house. A bit of perspective is required.

 

[geoff5093]

Fair enough but I didn't bring up charging across the room.
The QI standard I looked at stated 15W not 30W
https://www.wirelesspowerconsortium.com/developers/specification.html

The standard does allow higher power but that is for charging higher power devices, not really for phones.

The point I am trying to make is that wireless charging is getting more efficient as time goes on and there are bigger fish to fry than mobile charging and people stating that they wont use wireless charging because it is not efficient but then go on to use a ton of other less efficient devices in their house. A bit of perspective is required.

We're talking about two things simultaneously, the Qi standard is for wireless charging, but I'm talking about Quick Charge 2.0 allowing up to 30W or more. I know Samsung chargers require a Quick Charge 2.0 charger to use since they consume more power than a traditional wireless charger.

 

[dilbert99]

We're talking about two things simultaneously, the Qi standard is for wireless charging, but I'm talking about Quick Charge 2.0 allowing up to 30W or more. I know Samsung chargers require a Quick Charge 2.0 charger to use since they consume more power than a traditional wireless charger.

Quicker charging at higher amps, slower charging at lower amps and wireless charging is getting more efficient.

What point are you making?