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bigjohn said:
The only way this works for switchers is to include either/both:

1) an a/b monitor switch so they can use an existing monitor
(either CRT or LCD), perhaps one they got with another low $
computer purchase

2) software to make that new monitor behave up to apple specs


ex.: dad purchases low grade dell for himself to play doom or run
quicken or whatever. kids want a mac, he gets this unit and
kvm's (without the k or m) into the existing monitor until he
can nut up and buy another display

I disagree that this is the only way for everybody. It is, however, the only way for wishy-washy types. For those people, a VGA switch is only as far away as about $30-$40 and a trip to their local Micro Center.

Including a DVI+DVI-VGA adapter or VGA output will suffice.


izzle22 said:
Has anyone even thought that this might be a unit that would stack on a reciever or cd player and connect to a tv and be a part of an entertainment center with a wireless keyboard or remote of some kind????
Yes sir, about two dozen people have not only had that thought cross their minds, but they've expressed that thought right here in this very thread. It's quite a popular idea. :)
 
Imagine this...

Stackable headless imacs with Tiger and Xgrid.

The Xserve for the rest of us.

so cool.
 
skcarter said:
I've heard rumors from a friend of mine that works for Apple that what could happen is that the eMacs would return to being an Education only option which would allow the miniMac to become the new low end consumer model. It's food for thought anyhow.


I have a friend and Apple too, and my friend says your friend is a Bull Sh*tter. Why wouldn't Apple make all their products available to everyone?
 
iRiKliAN said:
Imagine this...

Stackable headless imacs with Tiger and Xgrid.

The Xserve for the rest of us.

so cool.

I agree. I can see a headless mac in my basement wiring closet running OS X Server. Hopefully as a media center
 
AirUncleP said:
I have a friend and Apple too, and my friend says your friend is a Bull Sh*tter. Why wouldn't Apple make all their products available to everyone?

All of their products were not available to everyone two years (or so) ago when they released the eMac to educational institutions. What this person is suggesting is that perhaps they will make the eMac an educational machine again, and gear this new product towards the same market the eMac did.

Though, I think that the eMac will be around for a little longer.
 
Prediction: not until Tiger is pre-installed

I wouldn't be surprised if the power brick is the exact SAME one used by all Apple laptops. That's not bad at all--and can be plugged directly into the wall for one less cable, if you wish.

I've long imagined the ideal low-end Mac being an iBook minus the screen/battery/etc. Think how small that could be, even with a full-size HD and GPU. Small enough to make low-end PC towers look pretty clunky!

That's what this sounds like to me.

As for displays, all Apple really needs is a revised 17" display (widescreen). Maybe a CRT too, to give the cheapest buyers some Apple style--but Apple will already sell you a non-Apple CRT with your PowerMac, so they could just go that route. Or sell you an eMac if you don't need a flat panel.

Schedule prediction: they won't ship right away, but will wait to have Tiger pre-loaded. WWDC maybe.
 
macmax77 said:
What about Piece of mind?
2 months ago a Winblows Thing, maybe you want to call it computer made me loose 16748 dollars, thank you B gates.

As for paying 30 more bucks for something to open PDF's, well i do that without paying those in my Macs.

May be you might want to pay attention to what others say to save you from all emotional trauma that you have to go through talking about non mac products. I was says YOU CAN GENERATE PDF FILES NOT READ! EVERYBODY KNOWES ABOUT ACROBAT READER. and whole suit of basic photo etc apps.
 
SiliconAddict said:
And before people start crapping on such a device keep in mind that there are MANY Windows users who aren't looking for a fast GPU. Aren't looking to be able to run the latest and grestest games. If the average user can get a Mac for cheap to replace their ageing Windows 9x desktop so much the better for Apple. I know some are going to see such an idea as stupid but frankly if you want to see MS go down this is the only way.

YES! That's just it! I have an ageing PIII 450MHz w/ 64MB of RAM, 10GB HD, Riva 128 ZX and an amazingly crappy 48x cd-rom drive from Creative running Windows 2000 ( :eek: ), and needless to say, it's slow as hell (not Dell, Hell!). It has to be put into "hibernation mode" because it takes too much time to turn on, and it can't even run Firefox decently, so my parents are going nuts with it. They just refuse to use the thing, and I can't blame them.

Meanwhile, my gleaming iMac G5 20'' (just like it's older brother which I sold, a 17'' iMac G4), has written "USE ME" all over it, it's just plain irresistible, and I wouldn't be so cruel to prevent my family from using it... Which means, they use it A LOT. Even my father, which hates any changes made to his habits (again, I can't blame him, since he's a Windows user, and M$ seems to force people to adapt to every single stupid idea they come up with), can use any web browser in my Mac in a productive fashion! My mother gets a bit more confused, especially with the key combinations for characters like the "@", but since she doesn't use any other computer besides *my* Mac, she should get used to them eventually!

So, why couldn't we get another Mac to replace that POS? (unfortunately, I sold my old iMac to a friend of mine) Because Macs are f*cking expensive, that's the reason! I need a speedy Mac for doing graphics design stuff for my course, but my family would be fine with a low low level eMac. But... There's a psychological barrier here: that all-in-one philosophy sometimes just can't cut it! We have a nice 17'' CRT here, which isn't flat like the eMac's, but has a better resolution (1280x1024). My father would gladly sell that junk for $20 or even give it away, buy a new one, and keep the CRT, but we would end up with yet another PC, the first one in this home running XPee (my father's Toshiba laptop is running WinME :eek: )... And guess who would have to either fix it, or bear with my parents' whining, they day it got infested with malware? ME!

In my personal case, being kind of a "Mac evangelist" results from a curious mixture of romantism and selfishness. Here's why:

It would be very cool if everyone enjoyed Apple's digital lifestyle philosophy. I've seen with my very eyes two friends of mine playing with my former iMac for hours, having the time of their lives using Garageband. They're "hooked", but in a healthy way, because that piece of software actually gave them some new ideas, and the tools to bring them to life at the same time...

On the other side I've seen *some* people having severe issues with Windows (and I said "some" because I know lots of people that still manage to keep their Wintel boxes very usable), and a lot who had some glitches. That, besides making me sad, can turn out to be a pain in the a**, especially when those people turn up to you asking for advice! I, of course, try to give my best answer, but since I haven't used a Wintel box on a daily basis since Dec.'03, that is becoming harder and harder each day!

In >90% of the times, my Mac-using friends ask me for USEFUL advice, like "do you know of an application to do this?", or "do you know how to do this with application x?"; In >90% of the times, my Windows using friends ask me something like "Do you know how to fix this?", or "Do you know someone who can fix this?", or even worse, "Can you fix this?" :eek:

And then there's the old "There's no software for the Mac" issue, which some claim is non-existent; DAMN IT, there isn't ENOUGH software for the Mac!!! I want some games, do you hear me?? (I know that some cool ones are available, but I have trouble finding them and... must... try... HL2... :( ) I'd like to see my fellow architecture and industrial design colleagues being able to run AutoCAD on a Mac, otherwise they'll have to stick with PCs! I'd like to live in peace without thinking whether this or that software title will suddenly disappear from the Mac platform!

The only thing that should keep Apple from solving this problem once and for all could be some vicious technical problem, like with IBM G5 yields and such, not because of some other stubbornness from Steve! So, I'd LOVE to see Apple introducing a Flash iPod, a multi-button scroll-enabled state-of-the-art mouse, and a PIZZABOX MAC, because even if I'm not in the market for either an iPod or a Mac, those would eventually make a difference! G5 Powerbooks would be cool (or maybe hot :rolleyes: ), but for those to appear, Apple has to tackle some technical challenges. As for the first three items, no such problems exist, so they could have been real for quite some years now. Maybe it only makes sense to introduce them right now with the huge success of the iPod; anyway, BRING THEM ON!!!

PS- I just hope to heck you can upgrade the RAM....256MB :eek:

Yes, I hope so too. And I also think that Apple should revamp their whole line after they introduce this "thing": they should offer the FX 5200 Ultra only with this low-end Mac and maybe the low-end eMac and those specially configured iMacs without the optical drive, and they should offer at least 512MB of RAM across their line, with the same exceptions. That would shut the last "Macs are underpowered" whining from the press for a while and would surely make a lot of people happy... ;)
 
On the one hand I love the idea of this headless mac and if priced at 499 I'd buy one for my parents.

On the otherhand, if this thing took off like the iPod and became a huge success for Apple, I'd hate to think that all the virus and malware writers would take notice and start to attack OS X.

We've got a great OS and being small in market share and flying below the radar can be a good thing.
 
Mainyehc said:
YES! That's just it! I have an ageing PIII 450MHz w/ 64MB of RAM, 10GB HD, Riva 128 ZX and an amazingly crappy 48x cd-rom drive from Creative running Windows 2000 ( :eek: ), and needless to say, it's slow as hell (not Dell, Hell!).... can't even run Firefox decently, so my parents are going nuts with it.

OMG, sounds like you got a bad case of a spyware infestation.

I have a Pentium Pro 150mhz computer with 24MB RAM, 6GB HD and 4x CD-ROM from 1997 that runs Firefox decently. I'd die for a 450Mhz computer. But since the last 4 computer purchases have been Macs, I'll hold onto my P150 a little while longer.
 
ioinc said:
Hmmm.. toyota... best made cards in the world.

Man, it would be great if Porsche made a car everyone could afford... let everyone enjoy the great aspects of the Prosche.

Man it woud be great if Apple made a computer everyone cold afford... let everyone enjoy the greatness of the mac.

Absolutely, I don't look at the Mac as some kind of ultra exclusive country club. I think this would be an awesome product if the rumor is true. But, I would like to see such a machine with a slightly faster processor I see where Sonnet has 1.7 Ghz G4's. I would assume that Apple would produce a few different versions of this machine, maybe with one starting at 1.25 Ghz and going up to 1.7 Ghz. I just wonder what is going to be of the eMac.
 
MacG said:
I'd hate to think that all the virus and malware writers would take notice and start to attack OS X.

Would be extremely hard to do if you have a router with a firewall. Firewall is OSX. Outgoing rules in Little Snitch. Junk filtering in Mail, and Administrator permissions. It'd be damn hard to get past the built security of OSX, unless you were careless.

I believe Tiger will have stealth mode, so that if hackers tried to ping your machine, they can't, because they wouldn't even know to ping it.
 
I hope Apple fazes out the eMacs.

When SJ took hold of Apple in '97, he dramatically streamlined their product offerings to just 2 sectors, consumer and professional. I'd hate to see how Apple will market an eMac, a uMac, an iMac and a PowerMac to the masses.

>>uMac
>>>iMac
>>>>PowerMac

$500 >> $1300 >> $2800
 
Rod Rod said:
I disagree that this is the only way for everybody. It is, however, the only way for wishy-washy types. For those people, a VGA switch is only as far away as about $30-$40 and a trip to their local Micro Center.

Including a DVI+DVI-VGA adapter or VGA output will suffice.



Yes sir, about two dozen people have not only had that thought cross their minds, but they've expressed that thought right here in this very thread. It's quite a popular idea. :)

Sorry I just couldn't bring myself to read 600 threads, I also couldn't believe no one thought of the same thing.
 
LOL people, calm down and don't put the cart in front of the horse. :p

I'm not worried about TOO MANY people buying macs just yet. I imagine that's kinda the point as far as Apple's concerned. the more the merrier.

I'd gladly trade Apple's exclusivity and small market share for parallel software releases and falling prices. :D

Come one come all, buy the new Macs!
 
Sir_Giggles said:
Would be extremely hard to do if you have a router with a firewall. Firewall is OSX. Outgoing rules in Little Snitch. Junk filtering in Mail, and Administrator permissions. It'd be damn hard to get past the built security of OSX, unless you were careless.

I believe Tiger will have stealth mode, so that if hackers tried to ping your machine, they can't, because they wouldn't even know to ping it.
Yeah, but you can run an N-map and find pretty much anything. Pinging is for beginners.
 
Sir_Giggles said:
OMG, sounds like you got a bad case of a spyware infestation.

I have a Pentium Pro 150mhz computer with 24MB RAM, 6GB HD and 4x CD-ROM from 1997 that runs Firefox decently. I'd die for a 450Mhz computer. But since the last 4 computer purchases have been Macs, I'll hold onto my P150 a little while longer.

Ok... It DOES run Firefox decently, so I (as my parents) may have been exagerating. HOWEVER, as you can read in my excessively long post
:eek: , we are using an iMac G5 1,8GHz (and my older iMac was a 1,25GHz G4 with the stock 256MB of RAM, which was nice machine anyway), and what I haven't told you is that it has 1,25GB of RAM :cool:. The other thing I didn't tell you is that the PC used to have 190MB of RAM and it was running Windows 98 SE (but I resold the 128MB stick I had bought two years prior, because I was convinced we would install W98SE again instead of Win2k).

So, we raised the bar TOO high: First, we were used to a slow PC. Then, we got used to a medium-speed iMac. Then, we got used to a slightly faster iMac (because I didn't bump up the RAM right away), then, to a blazingly fast iMac, and then (meanwhile, I had already removed the RAM from the PC a long time before, but no one really used that thing much anyway), we formatted the PC and installed Win2k. And my parents were expecting it would magically perform like a bleeding edge iMac running Panther... HA!

But yes, the antivirus detected some stuff a few days ago, so you should be right... Ah, well, PCs... Yet another reason for buying one of those headless iMacs :D
 
corywoolf said:
they didn't do that when florida was hit...

cool imac idea though....
i would be very suprised.
maybe sugar is a codename for the box. it sounds more like an entertainment device to me... maybe the missing link with airport express, it could hook up to your TV or something? :rolleyes:

I think a tsumani that killed over 80,000 people in 10 countries, the most devestating natural disaster in modern history, is a just a little itty bit more important than the hurricanes that hit Florida and left people homeless, not dead (i know the hurricanes contributed to loss of life in poorer caribbiean nations, but you metioned florida) For once its not about you Florida...deal with it.

back to mac...
if this rumor is true. mac os will be in a prime position to do some serious expanding. and i think we all know how good apple is in making its customers passionate about their products. Imagine a world were people actually loved their technology, not hated it like my windows friends do.
 
izzle22 said:
Sorry I just couldn't bring myself to read 600 threads, I also couldn't believe no one thought of the same thing.

It's okay. All it would have taken is reading two out of the 25 pages (so far) of this thread. I suppose your bringing up the idea of an Apple DVR along with many others just proves that it's sort of intuitive on some level. This seems to be the zeitgeist of the Mac Rumors community as of December 29, 2004. :)
 
Heh, Apple did change their homepage when the Columbia Shuttle disintegrated during re-rentry.

Apple, at the time, were advertising the new line-up of Cinema Displays including intro'ing the 23" display. On the display, they had a picture of the Space Shuttle blasting off the pad. Upon news of the disaster, Apple changed the pictures to a city skyline.

What's funny was I thought it strange Apple changed the pictures. Something didn't feel right, then afterwards, I heard news of the disaster on TV.
 
At first i was thinking "no, not possible, a $500 mac? no"
then i realized. it's an ibook without the 2 most expensive parts, the battery and lcd screen.

now it sounds reasonable.
 
Sir_Giggles said:
What's funny was I thought it strange Apple changed the pictures. Something didn't feel right, then afterwards, I heard news of the disaster on TV.

What's funnier, is it sounds like you look at the Apple home page more often than the news :)

Seriously, though, when someone here mentioned here that Apple changed their page, I went over and saw it, and then suddenly I felt like it was 9/11 all over again. That's when it finally broke through, not the video footage or the CNN articles, but that a company changed their website over it. Oh, and Google added a link, also.
 
Mechcozmo said:
Borrowing, my friend, borrowing.
Read my sig...

Yah, I know. 80s was when MS-Windows came out, and businessmen were first exposed. Of course, xsol, etc., had been available for XWindows for some time previously, but solitaire wasn't thought of as a big PC game until Windows.
 
Reality Cheque said:
Now if they would only step out of that other insanity bubble just long enough to fix the one-button mouse into something usable (hey, we know they can do it -- and better than anyone else-- it's the why they don't that no one understands).

I think the One Button mouse it to emphasise the ease of use concept, and frankly, I'm fine with one button.

This sounds exactly like the iBox rumors of late, (TV outable, thin, special versions of software...)

Maybe everyone has forgotten about poor lil' iBox...
 
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