$499 Headless iMac?

[mattmack]

Excuse me, my bad. Where did he mention "desktop", BTW.... Anyway, my Dell workstations PW 450/470/650/670 all have "Xeon" processors - that's just the Intel branding for a Pentium 4 with dual CPU enabled.

(But if you think that the Xeon DP is an "entirely different chip", you aren't really aware of how Intel does product stratification....)

Intel Corporation Intel D925XECV2 motherboard(2.8E GHz, Intel Pentium 4 proces 1 core, 1 chip, 1 core/chip with HT Technology enabled 1286 1290 
Intel Corporation Intel D925XECV2 motherboard(3.0E GHz, Intel Pentium 4 proces 1 core, 1 chip, 1 core/chip with HT Technology enabled 1365 1369
Intel Corporation Intel D925XECV2 motherboard(3.46 GHz, Intel Pentium 4 proces 1 core, 1 chip, 1 core/chip with HT Technology enabled 1701 1772 
Intel Corporation Intel D925XECV2 motherboard(3.80 GHz, Intel Pentium 4 proces 1 core, 1 chip, 1 core/chip with HT Technology enabled 1666 1671

Ooops, it still gets faster at higher GHz.... (The 3.46 has 2 MiB L3 and a 1066 MHz bus - oops, another mistake in the original post.)

It was in the post he had quoted they were talking about the P4 desktop. My bad I thought it was a different chip altogether. Just one question why are the numbers smaller for the 3.8 as opposed to the 3.46?

It really doesn't matter all that much for consumer uses anything now a days is pretty much "fast enough"

 

[AidenShaw]

I'm not an expert on chips, but doesn't your chart show that the 3.8 actually performs slower than the 3.46?

Yes, and as I explained, the 3.46 has a larger 2 MiB cache and a faster 1066 MHz FSB - double the cache and a 25% faster bus have an effect, d'oh.

My point is that the original post was FOS - making the claim that the faster chips ran slower because of heat.

Going back to my earlier post (the dual CPU servers) you'll see that when conditions are more controlled there is a steady improvement with clock speed - not the original claim of reduced performance at faster clock rates.

Too bad Apple doesn't participate in the industry standard SPEC benchmarks.... Did you see that there's now a SPECmaya standard?

 

[mattmack]

Too bad Apple doesn't participate in the industry standard SPEC benchmarks.... Did you see that there's now a SPECmaya standard?

It would be nice to see them measure up. But it would be interesting to try and make the performance optimized for the two different architectures

 

[Kagetenshi]

The only people who screech like monkeys on crack about how clock speeds are completely meaningless are Mac users who use to have craptastic performance with the G4. Amazing isn't it that the hollering has died down now that the G5 is on the scene.

Just because it's a lie that now looks good for Macusers doesn't mean it isn't still a lie.

~J

 

[Jsmit]

Yes, and as I explained, the 3.46 has a larger 2 MiB cache and a faster 1066 MHz FSB - double the cache and a 25% faster bus have an effect, d'oh.

I must have missed where you gave the cache specs for the 3.8. Thanks for the quick lesson.

Even though the 1.25 G4 is not the fattest processor on the market, the only programs where it will really show how slow is, are newer games and some pro apps which this machine is clearly not meant to run. For such a low price that is all you get. I never thought I would have to make the decision on whether to buy a new iPod or computer. I'm glad it will hvte a G4 and not an updated G3. Glass is half-full.

 

[mattmack]

I must have missed where you gave the cache specs for the 3.8. Thanks for the quick lesson.

Even though the 1.25 G4 is not the fattest processor on the market, the only programs where it will really show how slow is, are newer games and some pro apps which this machine is clearly not meant to run. For such a low price that is all you get. I never thought I would have to make the decision on whether to buy a new iPod or computer. I'm glad it will hvte a G4 and not an updated G3. Glass is half-full.

I agree I am probably going to buy one for the kids. I could never justify an emac with the space and price considerations

 

[GFLPraxis]

For those of you who look forwards to seeing the masses switching from their Windows PCs to this rumoured new iMac to get away from viruses and adware etc, will you not be concerned when Macs take a large enough userbase for virus writers and spammers to start taking notice?

I'm sure OSX is inherently more secure than the hole-infested mess that is Windows, but you know these guys always find a way...

OS X is still inherently more secure. Viruses would require the user to type in a password to install, rather than just installing instantly before you can blink like they do on Windows. It could hit dumb users, but power users who can tell whats a virus would be saved.

 

[macmax77]

ditch it, and then

i have FF in both my macs , i just wanted to know if i could ditch it, i don't know, i think i have not use IE in one or 2 years now, thanks.

 

[GFLPraxis]

LOL - what a load of bull....

HPaq DL380 - Xeon, ServerWorks

  Speed      Cache        Bus     SPECint   SPECfp
3.06 GHz    512 KiB L2  533 MHz     1068     1065
3.06 GHz   1024 KiB L3  533 MHz     1258     1184
3.2 GHz    1024 KiB L3  533 MHz     1313     1197
3.2 GHz    2048 KiB L3  533 MHz     1534     1349
3.4 GHz    1024 KiB L2  800 MHz     1477     1453
3.6 GHz    1024 KiB L2  800 MHz     1553     1514

http://www.spec.org/cpu2000/results/cint2000.html
http://www.spec.org/cpu2000/results/cfp2000.html

You're wrong about the cache sizes, wrong about the bus speeds, and wrong about the performance.

Now, what were you claiming about the chips slowing down?

I wasn't, I was ARGUING with the guy claiming the chips are slowing down. Scroll back, man.

However, there was a few tests i recall where the 3.6 was outperformed by the 3.4 due to heat issues, but it was an exception, not the rule.

 

[JGowan]

they didn't do that (change homepage) when florida was hit...

The Florida hits didn't wipe out 150,000 people either. Devastation to homes & buildings, but loss of life was nothing comparatively speaking. However, I believe Florida deserved a homepage, too, with ways to help.

Speaking of pages changing,... I remember the George Harrison page. What a sad time that was. Does anyone have a screenshot of that? Thanks in advance!

 

[Sir_Giggles]

Hey, perhaps we can rebuff his statements again, later in this thread, when the death count jumps to 150,000.

Aha! I knew it.

https://forums.macrumors.com/posts/1184611/

 

[mms]

Speaking of pages changing,... I remember the George Harrison page. What a sad time that was. Does anyone have a screenshot of that? Thanks in advance!

http://www.macobserver.com/article/2001/12/03.2.shtml

 

[remingtonhill]

I have trashed it. It won't do anything to your system since it is a mac it is only an application and had no underlying ties to the OS. I believe it is still availablle on Microsofts website if you ever want to install it again

I would not trash internet explorer. Safari has too many unexpected quits sometimes. Plus some sites with flash or java don't seem to run well or stable under safari.

 

[rariasjr]

Any chance this could be a media server type Mac (Photos, Video, Music to your TV)? They're becoming pretty popular on the PC end. I like my Tivo, but Apple could do it better.

 

[aswitcher]

Any chance this could be a media server type Mac (Photos, Video, Music to your TV)? They're becoming pretty popular on the PC end. I like my Tivo, but Apple could do it better.

Whilst I agree with the sentiment, Mr Jobs has already poo pooed that concept, saying that people want stable tv/video, and that a computer unless dedicated, cannot really provide that. But here's hoping.

 

[Sir_Giggles]

I would not trash internet explorer. Safari has too many unexpected quits sometimes. Plus some sites with flash or java don't seem to run well or stable under safari.

IE still has some uses. Like for archiving web pages. Great for offline viewing when away from an internet connection.

 

[ibjoshua]

OT: HAs asomeone thrown away IE in their Macs, i feel like i want to but i am not so sure if i will need it later, thou i haven't in the last 2 years.

Will it be safe to do it?

Haven't used IE since I deleted it after my Panther install nearly a year ago.
I'm using Camino now but tempted to go back to Safari or Firefox.

i_b_joshua

 

[Sir_Giggles]

Haven't used IE since I deleted it after my Panther insatll nearly a year ago.
I'm using Camino now but tempted to go back to Safari or Firefox.

i_b_joshua

For some reason Firefox still feels flakey. I switched back to Safari within a day.

 

[ibjoshua]

How many people died when Florida was hit? You know the death toll in the South Pacific is something like 148K+ now.

The tidal wave disaster was in the Indian Ocean not the Pacific.

Not everything does or should revolve around the US you know...

How true.

This is something I really don't get from most of the Mac crowd. Why do you think Apple has to sell you everything?
<snip>
Not everything has to come from Apple.

Look, I don't have an MBA or any business or marketing qualifications but it's pretty obvious that as a retailer Apple is in the market of selling stuff. Isn't it in their interests to sell as much stuff to their customers as they can? It may be third party stuff and it may not. Plenty of folk don't shop around for individual items. They want to buy it all at once with one warranty.

I would NOT be surprised if this headless Mac were $599 instead of $499. Or if it lacks a Combo drive. Or if it has almost no software bundle.

As noted I'm not an MBA but it seems to me that most of the R&D, testing and production for the software that Apple bundles is already paid for. Apple is not operating at a loss here. Sooo, they can afford to bundle as much consumer level software as they want -- at no real cost. This contrasts with PC makers who by-and-large have to pay MS and others for the software they bundle.


i_b_joshua

 

[sunilraman]

Hope the new baby will get this :

http://www.freescale.com/webapp/sps...ncsg/09-28-04_DUALPROC.htm&title=News Release

whoa... i think you're the rare poster that has actually speculated dualcore g4 for iMac mini

i think we forget so often that apple's computer division is basically about technology... yet they have packaged and presented technology to such a level that you take it for granted ... meaning....

for example, when i was reading the freescale website i was expecting at least a diagram showing two boxes of the two dual cores... instead of a wall of text i just glazed over

i've been spoilt by the glossy benchmark bars, slick product photography, clean design and marketing hype ("dual core. two computers for the price of one") ... yeah you know that's how they'll be pimpin' dualcore

 

[sunilraman]

damn... quite a few other rumors have popped up but i am still hooked on this thread on macrumors and appleinsider

 

[Sir_Giggles]

Simplicity

This be a great addition to the mac lineup and what a good thing to do with all of the remaining ppc G4s. $599 would be an awesome price!!!

I may have to get one of these for the house, but first i buy some Apple stock, cuz i have a tingling feeling 2005 is going tp be the year that Apple rises.

headless imac
ilife 05
flash ipods
powerbook G5s
emac G5s
Tiger...its gonna be GRRRREAT.

 

[Eric_Z]

for example, when i was reading the freescale website i was expecting at least a diagram showing two boxes of the two dual cores... instead of a wall of text i just glazed over

i've been spoilt by the glossy benchmark bars, slick product photography, clean design and marketing hype ("dual core. two computers for the price of one") ... yeah you know that's how they'll be pimpin' dualcore

Heh, when it comes to Freescale those things are usually hidden away in .pdfs, I'm guessing since that's what there customers look at first rather then the pressrelease. Take a peak here if you are interested. (2.7MB pdf)

 

[Platform]

Somewhat slower in processor (this will be about equal to a 2 or 2.2 GHz P4 at best), half the HD, and if we're lucky equivilant graphics card, but we don't know what kind of graphics card.

We're talking about the cheapest model ($499), the $599 model will probably be better.

Thank you, so to add a few hunded would make it a compareable and replaceble if more ram and better HD or something else?? and will tiger make it run better since the p4 is better but it runs windows ??

 

[MacSA]

If this rumoured new Mac isn't going to be shipping until early spring, by then the technical specs are going to look even less impressive than they do now