Secondly, it's not only about the container but also about the HEVC/H265 profile.
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Yes. The others should note though that as of right now, Handbrake will encode to 4K hcv1 HEVC which will work in Apple Quicktime in High Sierra.
The full technical details would require a longer explanation, but basically perceptual codecs such as AC3 and DTS do not store samples with a fixed word length. The compression happens in what is called the "frequency domain", and the data is stored in frames. Anyway, both formats are perfectly capable of fully capturing 24 bit dynamic range, and all studios encode AC3 tracks from 24 bit sources these days.
Many people confuse perceptual compression and dynamic range compression, but they are very different things. In general, perceptual compression does not reduce the dynamic range at all. Rather, it introduces compression artifacts (i.e. noise).
I didn't think you would expect all kind of freedom in all manners.
Videos app on iPad Pro 12' still can't play 4K MKV files even though it's capable of doing, it just doesn't accept MKV files due to some political reasons.
It's similar with Apple TV, Infuse can play many formats even with existing hardware:
https://firecore.com/infuse
Video files and subtitle files:
https://firecore.com/blog/18308
So we do not need any mercy from Apple. They just need to deliver great OS and hardware so devs will take it from here
On the iPad, it's not political reasons. It's efficiency reasons. H264, and now h265, are hardware accelerated for decoding. Playing a 2 hour mkv will sick a lot more juice than a 2 hour h264 as a result. Obviously that doesn't stand for an AppleTV plugged into the wall but then you're into a situation where it seems arbitrary that a file can be played on ATV, but not on iOS devices.
I call BS.
It's political, I'm not even stating any codecs. It's purely lack of MKV support, and it's not efficiency, you can't play even the 480p file.
Yep, and there were lots of rumors that they manipulated the audio before encoding ...
True.
Well, the ATV4 does output 7.1 PCM (and many movies in the iTunes store now have DD+ 7.1 tracks if you stream them from the Internet).
Streaming providers don't use DD+ because it supports higher bandwidth, but because it has a low-bandwidth mode and because it supports 7.1 channels ...
You're entitled to your opinion but I believe it to be incorrect. 480p or 4K, software support isn't there on the OS because hardware support doesn't allow it to be decoded efficiently. If it was really political and Apple just didn't want MKVs played on iOS/ATV then they wouldn't allow the plethora of apps that can do so to be released in the "walled garden" App Store. It's more like, "we think this sucks and won't ship it, but have at it"
Software or hardware doesn't decode anything at all.
MKV is just a container and it can contain normal h264 track, and srt subtitles in another track.
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Hence, it's not my opinion. It's your lack of facts.
It can, but it rarely does. Saying "we support MKV" when it in fact wouldn't support the majority of them, or even a portion of them, wouldn't be very Apple-y.
Huh?
Apple TV supports .mov. However, you can create a bazillion different forms of mov which won't play on Apple TV. Cuz mov is just a container.
For many years, Apple wouldn't allow mkv at all. Apple TV 2 with jailbroken OS and Infuse installed used to go for big bucks.
You're playing the same "it's just a container" semantic games. In reality, how many MOV files have you have come across that don't play on ATV and iOS?
About a bazillion. Are you new to this? There are many website forums devoted to making .mov compatible with Apple TV and iTunes.
You're wrong again!
Man, just stop.
99% of files out there are H264:
Normal H264 files, Apple didn't want to support them, because they are mainly used for pirate reasons. It's political and being in favor of Hollywood studios.
I've always had to transcode my "Linux ISOs". I've never found one I could just change container and have it play.
And yet, in a decade, I have never encountered one. MOV files are nearly always target at Apple devices.
So, in other words you don't really have that much experience with this. It sounds like you're downloading pirated stuff with Apple-specific presets (like a lot of pirate stuff out there). Yeah, for mov they'll usually work, because they're using presets specifically to work on Apple devices. But if you try anything else, or do encoding yourself to mov, you'll run into problems.
For MKV it's moot, because mkv is not a native format on Apple devices. It's mainly a pirating format, so obviously Apple has little interest in supporting it. Just be glad that they're allowing stuff like Infuse on iDevices now. In the past they didn't. And yes, h.264 is hardware decoded in mkv on Apple devices.
Did I just read 4K/60 for AppleTV Ver 5?
LOLOLOLOLOLOLOL........
Please do your homework:
"Apple A10X: GPU, PowerVR GT7900 Plus 7XT (clocked at 16-cores) @ 1 GHz at about 2.1 TFLOPS"
http://forsythanalytics.tumblr.com/iphone7-gpu
Xbox One X has 6 TFLOPS and only SOME games will have 4K/60...
https://www.gamespot.com/articles/console-specs-compared-xbox-one-x-ps4-pro-switch-a/1100-6443665/
Will Apple make the mistake and price their new Apple TV closer to a very underwhelming game console, or closer to the competition that has taken over their market shared in the last couple of years?
I don't care what is driving the 4K Apple TV, charging $300+ for it will be criminal and goes against Tim's suggestion that they want to change the world and are not making products for rich people.
I don't care what is driving the 4K Apple TV, charging $300+ for it will be criminal and goes against Tim's suggestion that they want to change the world and are not making products for rich people.
If it's US$300, I won't be buying one. I was hoping more for CAD$200 (which is currently US$165, but a few months ago would have been US$150).
If that is what you want, Apple sells that too. It is called a "Mac Mini". If I wanted a computer gulping power 24/7 next to my TV that's what I would use.
That said, I believe you are confusing RAM, which is volatile memory, with Flash RAM or "On-Board Storage". I tried to verify your 16GB claim and could not find any references to large amounts of volatile RAM. Example: https://www.sony.com/electronics/televisions/xbr-x850d-series/specifications. We don't have any indication how much flash memory ATV5 will include (so far as I have seen at least), but the ATV4 had 32GB or 64GB for caching of content on-device, far more than "modern 4k TVs" have in general and 2-4 times as much as the otherwise largest-flash standalone streaming player (Amazon Fire TV and Nexus Player both have 8GB in "third place"; nVidia Shield has 16GB); hell, the ATV3 had 8GB of flash memory even, which puts it right in line with "modern" devices by your metric. (Note that nVidia also sells a Shield Pro with 500GB of onboard storage, but that storage is a spinning HD so not quite the same thing as the others, so I did not include it).
From a volatile RAM perspective, I couldn't find any data from the main TV manufacturers, but Roku has all of 1GB RAM in their latest high-end devices. Amazon FireTV (2nd gen) has 2GB RAM. The Shield (standard and Pro) is the only one with 3GB of RAM out there right now. No current stats on Chromecast Ultra, but the standard Chromecast boast a whopping half a GB (512MB) of RAM.
Umm, we stream our Plex library (Plex Server aimed at what used to be the iTunes library before iTunes Home Sharing inexplicably stopped working) to our Apple TV3 100% without issues. The streaming device isn't going to be the bottleneck, if any; it will be the NAS you have it served from.
Well, as far as I'm concerned the new Apple TV is my best chance to get Dolby Vision + Dolby Atmos output simultaneously. The Netflix app on my TV (LG OLED B6) doesn't support this combo and unfortunately it seems it never will. Netflix just added Dolby Atmos support for the latest model (B7) and for the Xbox One S only.
That would be illegal in the U.K. Virgin are not allowed to favour and throttle traffic. Also their network is undergoing huge investment and is more than capable of dealing with big increases in data traffic. The last thing they would do is 'cap' connections. Usage limits are almost a thing of the past in the U.K. They keep upping the speeds of their packages, not limiting.
Another thing is the UK has a pretty competitive ISP industry, people would just switch providers if they brought in limits. It would be a PR disaster for Virgin, it also just does not fit in with their plans.
