4K Apple TV with a 1080p TV

AyeKay15

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Will there be any differences of a 4K Apple TV on 1080p TV's vs. the 4th gen Apple TV on 1080p TV's?
 

AyeKay15

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Depends! The new 5th generation have a 10 chip inside of it and would future proof yourself in case in couple years getting a 4K television!
Does the 4K Apple TV deliver Dolby Vision and HDR 10 with a 1080p TV? I'm not really too familiar with new TV features
 

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Does the 4K Apple TV give any video enhancements on a 1080p TV vs. the 4th gen Apple TV or is it the same?
 

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Does the 4K Apple TV deliver Dolby Vision and HDR 10 with a 1080p TV? I'm not really too familiar with new TV features
No. You need a tv that supports those things. I don't believe there is a single 1080 tv that does.
The new apple tv does nothing for you.
 

AppleMooseMan

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If you already have an Apple tv 4th gen and you have no 4k tv there's no real incentive to upgrade.

But if you were planning to buy an Apple TV anyway, you'd be best to get the new one which isn't all that more expensive than its predecessor considering the difference in graphical and processing power.
 

scouser75

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From what I have read, you can watch 4k material on a 1080p TV. Obviously you won't get 4k quality! But if you attach the ATV to an upscaling AVR you *might* get marginally better quality picture.
[doublepost=1505318298][/doublepost]PS will Apple also offer rental 4k films?
 

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It's also possible for 720p and 1080p contents to use HEVC codec (about 50% more efficient). So you might as well spend $20 more (or $50 for 64GB) for 4K, which also has Gigabit Ethernet and slightly revised remote.
 

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It's also possible for 720p and 1080p contents to use HEVC codec (about 50% more efficient). So you might as well spend $20 more (or $50 for 64GB) for 4K, which also has Gigabit Ethernet and slightly revised remote.
What is the slight revision to the remote?
 

2010mini

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Love the way the phrase "Future proof" is being tossed around the forums. I feel it's being used as an excuse to buy the latest and greatest whether you need it or can even use it.
There is no such thing as future proof with technology.

I do hope people who are “future proofing” also get a 4K UHD capable Home Theater receiver also if they currently don’t have one.
 

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It's also possible for 720p and 1080p contents to use HEVC codec (about 50% more efficient). So you might as well spend $20 more (or $50 for 64GB) for 4K, which also has Gigabit Ethernet and slightly revised remote.
HEVC is part of TVOS11 so ATV4 is getting that as well. And gigabit really isn't needed even for 4k streaming.
 

cynics

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Does the 4K Apple TV give any video enhancements on a 1080p TV vs. the 4th gen Apple TV or is it the same?
Potentially, yes.

At higher resolutions streaming services have higher bitrates. Since you weren't getting everything 1080p had to offer to begin with the extra bitrate can improve the image even after its been downscaled. The caveat here is streaming services are finicky with allowing 4k to devices they don't support 4k on or those devices don't have the supporting hardware (HDCP?).

While not a necessarily a visual improvement the ATV5 will be able to decode HEVC which is essentially a better form of video compression. So higher quality videos at the same file size as what the current ATV can handle.

Personally if I was buying one I would just get the ATV5. However if I already owned the ATV4 I wouldn't bother upgrading if you don't have a 4k TV.
 
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Only benefit will be if any decent games come to the system. As mentioned above, HEVC will be coming to the ATV4 and the A8 chip with 2 GB Ram should be enough to decode HEVC 1080p (but Apple probably won't move all their 1080p films away from h.264).
 

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Let them scream. They're wrong. Gigabit ethernet is one of those things people think they really need for streaming but don't. I have more than a dozen streaming devices in my home and never needed it.
I find a lot of people her a spec addicts. If hardware doesn’t have the greatest specs it must suck. Not realizing software/hardware optimization is what you should be more interested in.
 

archer75

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I find a lot of people her a spec addicts. If hardware doesn’t have the greatest specs it must suck. Not realizing software/hardware optimization is what you should be more interested in.
Yeah, I totally agree.
I just want HD audio bitstreaming as that's something I use often.
 

scouser75

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Guys, I have an Onkyo 3010 AVR which has 4K pass-through. If I connect the ATV4k to this AVR will I get the correct audio format through?
 

scouser75

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You will get whatever the apple tv outputs that your receiver supports.
Thanks archer for your reply. But I don't understand what you mean by "whatever outputs that you receiver supports". Do you mean audio formats?

I have HDMI on my avr which I'd connect the ATV to. Then connect the avr to my TV via hdmi.
 

archer75

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Thanks archer for your reply. But I don't understand what you mean by "whatever outputs that you receiver supports". Do you mean audio formats?

I have HDMI on my avr which I'd connect the ATV to. Then connect the avr to my TV via hdmi.
Your receiver has to support the audio formats that are being fed to it by the streaming device. If not then you don't get that audio format. I haven't looked up your receiver so I don't know what audio formats it supports. I assume it would be fine.
 
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