4K Apple TV with a 1080p TV

Discussion in 'Apple TV and Home Theater' started by AyeKay15, Sep 13, 2017.

  1. AyeKay15 macrumors member

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    Will there be any differences of a 4K Apple TV on 1080p TV's vs. the 4th gen Apple TV on 1080p TV's?
     
  2. satcomer macrumors 603

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    Depends! The new 5th generation have a 10 chip inside of it and would future proof yourself in case in couple years getting a 4K television!
     
  3. AyeKay15 thread starter macrumors member

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    Does the 4K Apple TV deliver Dolby Vision and HDR 10 with a 1080p TV? I'm not really too familiar with new TV features
     
  4. satcomer macrumors 603

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    Yes but a 1080 TV doesn't have the internals to handle those features!
     
  5. AyeKay15 thread starter macrumors member

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    Does the 4K Apple TV give any video enhancements on a 1080p TV vs. the 4th gen Apple TV or is it the same?
     
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    Love the way the phrase "Future proof" is being tossed around the forums. I feel it's being used as an excuse to buy the latest and greatest whether you need it or can even use it.
     
  7. archer75 macrumors 65816

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    No. You need a tv that supports those things. I don't believe there is a single 1080 tv that does.
    The new apple tv does nothing for you.
     
  8. PaulMoore macrumors regular

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    ...by which time there will be an even newer Apple TV
     
  9. AppleMooseMan macrumors regular

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    If you already have an Apple tv 4th gen and you have no 4k tv there's no real incentive to upgrade.

    But if you were planning to buy an Apple TV anyway, you'd be best to get the new one which isn't all that more expensive than its predecessor considering the difference in graphical and processing power.
     
  10. scouser75 macrumors 6502a

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    From what I have read, you can watch 4k material on a 1080p TV. Obviously you won't get 4k quality! But if you attach the ATV to an upscaling AVR you *might* get marginally better quality picture.
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    PS will Apple also offer rental 4k films?
     
  11. nutmac macrumors 68040

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    It's also possible for 720p and 1080p contents to use HEVC codec (about 50% more efficient). So you might as well spend $20 more (or $50 for 64GB) for 4K, which also has Gigabit Ethernet and slightly revised remote.
     
  12. mic j macrumors 68030

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    What is the slight revision to the remote?
     
  13. nutmac macrumors 68040

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    White circle around the Menu button.

    Also, AirPlay 2 might be exclusive to Apple TV 4K.
     
  14. 2010mini macrumors 68040

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    There is no such thing as future proof with technology.

    I do hope people who are “future proofing” also get a 4K UHD capable Home Theater receiver also if they currently don’t have one.
     
  15. archer75 macrumors 65816

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    HEVC is part of TVOS11 so ATV4 is getting that as well. And gigabit really isn't needed even for 4k streaming.
     
  16. 2010mini macrumors 68040

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    Yeah but MR were screaming that the current ATV was useless without gigabit Ethernet.
     
  17. archer75 macrumors 65816

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    Let them scream. They're wrong. Gigabit ethernet is one of those things people think they really need for streaming but don't. I have more than a dozen streaming devices in my home and never needed it.
     
  18. cynics macrumors G3

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    Potentially, yes.

    At higher resolutions streaming services have higher bitrates. Since you weren't getting everything 1080p had to offer to begin with the extra bitrate can improve the image even after its been downscaled. The caveat here is streaming services are finicky with allowing 4k to devices they don't support 4k on or those devices don't have the supporting hardware (HDCP?).

    While not a necessarily a visual improvement the ATV5 will be able to decode HEVC which is essentially a better form of video compression. So higher quality videos at the same file size as what the current ATV can handle.

    Personally if I was buying one I would just get the ATV5. However if I already owned the ATV4 I wouldn't bother upgrading if you don't have a 4k TV.
     
  19. kiranmk2 macrumors 6502a

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    Only benefit will be if any decent games come to the system. As mentioned above, HEVC will be coming to the ATV4 and the A8 chip with 2 GB Ram should be enough to decode HEVC 1080p (but Apple probably won't move all their 1080p films away from h.264).
     
  20. 2010mini macrumors 68040

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    I find a lot of people her a spec addicts. If hardware doesn’t have the greatest specs it must suck. Not realizing software/hardware optimization is what you should be more interested in.
     
  21. archer75 macrumors 65816

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    Yeah, I totally agree.
    I just want HD audio bitstreaming as that's something I use often.
     
  22. scouser75 macrumors 6502a

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    Guys, I have an Onkyo 3010 AVR which has 4K pass-through. If I connect the ATV4k to this AVR will I get the correct audio format through?
     
  23. archer75 macrumors 65816

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    You will get whatever the apple tv outputs that your receiver supports.
     
  24. scouser75 macrumors 6502a

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    Thanks archer for your reply. But I don't understand what you mean by "whatever outputs that you receiver supports". Do you mean audio formats?

    I have HDMI on my avr which I'd connect the ATV to. Then connect the avr to my TV via hdmi.
     
  25. archer75 macrumors 65816

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    Your receiver has to support the audio formats that are being fed to it by the streaming device. If not then you don't get that audio format. I haven't looked up your receiver so I don't know what audio formats it supports. I assume it would be fine.
     

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