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The only way I could see it making sense is the camera is somehow on par with prosumer, or even entry level DSLRs.
Won't happen...due to physical limitations (mainly size of sensor and optics) mobile phones will produce one type of image (pretty sharp from very close all the way to infinity, with a very wide range of maximum sharpness) and will do so pretty good given the right conditions (maily good lighting).

If you want anything else (like bokeh or any other "normal" optical effect) there is currently no way around a propper camera.
After leaving my DSLR at home for a while (due to weight reasons) I "accidentaly" got into Olympus/Panasonic Micro Four Third...while being considerably lighter then full frame or aps DSLR, this system blows away any mobile phone camera by miles in regards to what a wide variety of pictures are possible.
 
Are you serious? It's not about being selfish - that's a red herring and not an argument at all. That feels very childish.

It's about taking responsibility in your life and the actions you take, rather than blaming others. If Ford, Apple, Epson, Sony, and Campbell's Soup don't offer products I want, I'll simply go elsewhere rather than whine or blame others.

"your response is basically you do NOT want the same camera in the smaller and bigger model because YOU want the better camera in the phablet size phone and don't really care about smaller iOS phone fans."

That's the silliest thing I've heard in awhile, as well as being untrue. I don't care what Apple does regarding their camera strategy, which models they put a better camera in etc. It's not a matter of me wanting Apple to do something that does or doesn't affect me. If Apple doesn't offer what I want, i.e. in this case a good camera, I'll simply go elsewhere. That's called taking responsibility for your choices. Give it a try sometime. You'll feel liberated. And you'll earn respect from others.

"But then you argue that point by telling the the fans of smaller iOS devices that criticise the camera differential to go and buy another brand then,..."

No, I'm telling people to vote with their wallet. If Apple or Samsung doesn't make what you want, go elsewhere. Simple.

"... because you want your better camera in a phablet, which is surprising being a photographer I would have thought cell phone camera are the last on your list instead of the first as they seem to be."

Why is that surprising? Are you a photographer? If you were you might understand why a good camera in a large phone is appealing, and as you put it, first on my list.

Here's a hint: Being a photographer and making compelling photographs that stir a viewer's imagination releasing narrative evoking an emotional response, has very little to do with gear.

So now your telling us all to take responsibility for our actions (that's one of the most ridiculous comments I've read on here), and not expect Apple to improve their products? Just go and buy another brand and dump access to all your iOS apps.
And if you don't care what Apple does why was your first comment complaining about my wish that the small and large iPhones get the same camera, because it would mean you wouldn't get your dual lens one? I think one thing we can determine from your argument is you most definitely care about the cameras that Apple put in this years iPhones.

I'm sure you can create emotion with a cell phone camera and I'm pretty sure the same shot is a thousand times better on a digital SLR. You wouldn't turn up to a wedding as a professional photographer and pull a cellphone out of your pocket.
 
So now your telling us all to take responsibility for our actions (that's one of the most ridiculous comments I've read on here), and not expect Apple to improve their products? Just go and buy another brand and dump access to all your iOS apps.
And if you don't care what Apple does why was your first comment complaining about my wish that the small and large iPhones get the same camera, because it would mean you wouldn't get your dual lens one? I think one thing we can determine from your argument is you most definitely care about the cameras that Apple put in this years iPhones.

I'm sure you can create emotion with a cell phone camera and I'm pretty sure the same shot is a thousand times better on a digital SLR. You wouldn't turn up to a wedding as a professional photographer and pull a cellphone out of your pocket.


No worries, I understand you taking responsibility for your purchase choices makes zero sense to you and is not what you are about. For many others, it does. Carry on with what you're doing.

Back to your original post, Apple will put a superior camera in their flagship "Plus" model because it fits, and the phone is a premium device, allowing them to charge a premium price. Don't like that they can't/won't put that in a smaller/cheaper phone, and you're steamed they have the gaul to put a better camera in a larger phone (because it fits), well, I guess you just need to carry on and be upset.

It's really precious you think Apple is listening to you looking at your complaints here and will adjust their strategy to your wishes. Keep on believing that. Others will simply go elsewhere if Apple doesn't make what they want. That will get noticed.

"I think one thing we can determine from your argument is you most definitely care about the cameras that Apple put in this years iPhones."

Absolutely, I sure do care about the dual camera Apple may put in. If Apple doesn't, I simply won't buy the phone - and may purchase another brand. Rather than whine here, accusing others of being selfish, of all things.

"I'm sure you can create emotion with a cell phone camera and I'm pretty sure the same shot is a thousand times better on a digital SLR."

Again, you seem to know very little about photography and what drives the creation of strong/compelling/emotive photographs. Saying a dSLR would make the same shot a thousand times better clearly demonstrates that.
 
No worries, I understand you taking responsibility for your purchase choices makes zero sense to you and is not what you are about. For many others, it does. Carry on with what you're doing.

Back to your original post, Apple will put a superior camera in their flagship "Plus" model because it fits, and the phone is a premium device, allowing them to charge a premium price. Don't like that they can't/won't put that in a smaller/cheaper phone, and you're steamed they have the gaul to put a better camera in a larger phone (because it fits), well, I guess you just need to carry on and be upset.

It's really precious you think Apple is listening to you looking at your complaints here and will adjust their strategy to your wishes. Keep on believing that. Others will simply go elsewhere if Apple doesn't make what they want. That will get noticed.

"I think one thing we can determine from your argument is you most definitely care about the cameras that Apple put in this years iPhones."

Absolutely, I sure do care about the dual camera Apple may put in. If Apple doesn't, I simply won't buy the phone - and may purchase another brand. Rather than whine here, accusing others of being selfish, of all things.

"I'm sure you can create emotion with a cell phone camera and I'm pretty sure the same shot is a thousand times better on a digital SLR."

Again, you seem to know very little about photography and what drives the creation of strong/compelling/emotive photographs. Saying a dSLR would make the same shot a thousand times better clearly demonstrates that.

I'm still pretty sure a professional photographer would not use a cell phone at a wedding, indeed the post above is from someone who claims the mini DSLR format blows a cell phone out of the water, but you carry on, let's hope they don't put a dual lens in it so you get egg on your face as their is no garuntee they will.
Also please don't refer to the iPhone as a premium device because it's most certainly not, it's not Vertu or a Tag Hueuer phone!

You also have totally failed to understand why your utterly ridiculous 'taking responsibility for your purchases' argument has fallen flat on its face before it even started.
 
I'm still pretty sure a professional photographer would not use a cell phone at a wedding, indeed the post above is from someone who claims the mini DSLR format blows a cell phone out of the water, but you carry on, let's hope they don't put a dual lens in it so you get egg on your face as their is no garuntee they will.
Also please don't refer to the iPhone as a premium device because it's most certainly not, it's not Vertu or a Tag Hueuer phone!

You also have totally failed to understand why your utterly ridiculous 'taking responsibility for your purchases' argument has fallen flat on its face before it even started.

As long as you believe photography is about gear, and in this case, a certain camera blowing another camera out of the water, you will never understand what photography is really about.

I'll continue to take responsibility for my purchase decisions, you go on insisting manufactures accede to your wishes of not offering better technology in flagship products unless also included in lesser lower-cost models that interest you.
 
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I have at least 5-6 defected iPhone 6 in a row.... talk about quality eh?
So, out of all the iPhones produced, which were all put together by different people at different times, you think you got 6 in a row that were faulty?

I'd suggest there's a different common denominator.
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It starting to appear they will have three iPhones during the September Keynote. It would not surprise me.
As long as they have a Chinese audio stream, I be ok with 3 new phone models.
 
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The Lynx Imaging technology that Apple acquired includes algorithms to combine data from two or more sources to produce a higher quality image than one of the sources could on its own.

The answer you are struggling to find is equivalence. And like your previous post, you can Google that too and report back with your findings.
 
The answer you are struggling to find is equivalence. And like your previous post, you can Google that too and report back with your findings.
I'm not struggling. You started this by saying that the dual-lens camera had a SOLE purpose, and suggested that the feature I wanted wasn't it. I said there were multiple benefits to be gained from dual-lens cameras. You softened your statement by saying that there was a MAIN purpose. I listed a main purpose from Apple's acquired technology.

Now, I think you should reveal what you think is the main purpose, even though it likely doesn't keep my anticipated feature from being supported, and doesn't make the phone that has such a feature less attractive to me.

No Googling required on my part. If you think the dual-lens camera is for some other purpose, tell us what it is. It may be even more exciting to me than better-quality photos!
 
AirDrop seems to do the job pretty easily.

My iPhone backs up automatically whenever connected to wifi and power.

My phone automatically uploads all my pictures to iCloud, which automatically sync with my Photos app. Every so often I plug it into my Mac to transfer and delete media automatically.

The people you describe are going to have problems no matter what device they use, nor how easy a task is to do. iOS couldn't be less confusing for my 85 year old mother, and we've yet to have a problem with her wanting it to do anything she needs it to do, or understanding how to do it.

The drag and drop file system along with sd cards etc.. is mostly my issue with Apple while I'm aware most just don't care or would never use it. Soon I will have to tell someone that once they record their video they need to move it over from the card and then leave back it up and then they can delete it from the card.

I think some of my family could use a Mac, iPad, iPhone without any issues because they are basic users. One does not even keep any files, never takes photos, makes no calls, watches no videos, stores no music, plays to app games, does.......oO what the hell do they do?!?!?! And that is why they don't have a smartphone.
 
I'm not struggling. You started this by saying that the dual-lens camera had a SOLE purpose, and suggested that the feature I wanted wasn't it. I said there were multiple benefits to be gained from dual-lens cameras. You softened your statement by saying that there was a MAIN purpose. I listed a main purpose from Apple's acquired technology.

Now, I think you should reveal what you think is the main purpose, even though it likely doesn't keep my anticipated feature from being supported, and doesn't make the phone that has such a feature less attractive to me.

No Googling required on my part. If you think the dual-lens camera is for some other purpose, tell us what it is. It may be even more exciting to me than better-quality photos!

I refer you to the first sentence of my previous post.
 
They could barely supply enough SE's to meet demand. The popularity took them by surprise and they admitted as much. So I'm sure there was no time to develop a 4" model for the IPhone 7 lineup between the time the SE was released and the release date for the new iPhones. These iPhones take a couple of years in R&D before they are ready for primetime. The SE isn't exactly a new face in the scene. Apple did really well to figure out how to put iPhone 6 specs into the iPhone 5 chassis. And even so, they still couldn't give it 3-D Touch.
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That is indeed a problem and why I decided to go dual device when the opportunity to add the SE at a very low cost came up. I still use my phablet as a pocket computer/day planner and have my SE running essential connectivity tasks and quick snapshot work.

When I want to make better pictures and videos for a family event or use organizational and lifestyle apps with recipes and medical record-keeping apps I use my 6S Plus with its OIS camera and 128 GB storage. I'll soon be transitioning those tasks to a Note 7 though.

But the SE is the only smart phone available that I can rely on to be with me at all times. Anything else is too big for me.

Ya thinking of doing something similar but use a 6P as my daily driver and keep my 5S mainly for running. Or wait till the Galaxy S7 gets cheaper as it is probably the right size to be an all round phone. I'm probably being really picky but I really hate samsung emojis and hate having to root to get rid of them. Just use the android blobs or standard emojis already
 
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My iPhone 6S Plus 64GB has a retail price of $849

But I didn't pay $849 at the time of purchase.

Many carriers, mine included, offer a payment plan.

My iPhone is $35/month... the upcoming Galaxy Note 7 will be $36/month... Galaxy S7 Edge is $33/month... etc.

I hear ya... smartphones have a ridiculous retail price. It's crazy that you can buy a laptop for what some of these phones cost.

But you don't have to pay that retail price all at once.

Remember the old days of contracts and subsidies? It was the same idea. You didn't have to pay the full price all at once then either. Just a $199 down-payment and then the rest of the phone's price was tucked in your bill every month.

Long ago the carriers figured out how to get people to buy expensive phones without having them pay a huge lump sum all at once. And they still do it today.

iPhones (and other premium smartphones) have always been expensive. But their high retail price wasn't an issue then... and it shouldn't be an issue now.

If your carrier offers a payment plan... take them up on the offer.
I see your point. However, even though you are on a payment plan that's still $1000 you are paying, and for something many people are only using for two years. The smartphone business is one of most successful ripoffs I've ever seen. The iPhone only costs Apple 1/3 of what the MSRP is to make, and it's likewise for Samsung, etc. I still intend to buy these phones because there isn't much of a choice, however now you have the note 7 at $850 and an iPhone pro that will probably be $900, it's getting out of hand.
 
I see your point. However, even though you are on a payment plan that's still $1000 you are paying, and for something many people are only using for two years.

Sure... after two years I will have spent the $850 retail price of the iPhone.

But after that... it's MINE. I get to keep it. Or give it to someone else. Or sell it to get some money back.

Two-year-old iPhones still have a lot of value in the end.

But it's not like I'm throwing away that $850. I got to use the phone for those two years for a low monthly payment... and I get to keep it and do whatever I want with it afterwards. That sounds good to me.

It's no different than buying anything else in monthly installments.

And don't forget... with the old "contracts and subsidies" method... you got to keep the phone after two years as well. You could keep it, sell it, etc. So nothing has really changed here.

The iPhone only costs Apple 1/3 of what the MSRP is to make, and it's likewise for Samsung, etc.

That's never a good argument. Bill of materials (BOM) doesn't even begin to tell the whole story.

I still intend to buy these phones because there isn't much of a choice, however now you have the note 7 at $850 and an iPhone pro that will probably be $900, it's getting out of hand.

You don't HAVE to buy a company's most expensive products. Samsung offers many phones that retail cheaper than their flagship Note 7

Apple is unique that they don't offer a "cheap" phone... unless you want a smaller screen iPhone SE.

But Apple have never done cheap. This is the same company whose cheapest laptop is $900... and that's for an 11" model!
 
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