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I guess I don't see any quality decline. I always thought apples manufacturing quality was good. I do have AppleCare, the reason is that I'm a klutz.

I have at least 5-6 defected iPhone 6 in a row.... talk about quality eh?
 
Haha, I find myself in the same routine every year
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You sound like you're in denial. Whether you believe it's true or not, we are all looking at the new iPhone's.
So you still don't understand? Let me explain...
I was talking about the fact that they are dummy models and not genuine assembled units as some people may think. I seriously don't know what you thought I was saying - What I said did not mention and therefore was not about the design of the phones - That is common knowledge at this point and the next iPhones WILL look like the dummies shown (for the most part).
I am not in denial about the design -I'm not one of those people who hope Apple is faking all the leaks and going to surprise us with a new design. You just misunderstood what I was saying.
 
If anything, iOS is opposite of ease of use. (...)The fact iOS devices still have no file browser, no easy option to save file else where (aka, external storage), still unable to set default app. Anything wall gardened craps are anything but ease of use.

Your reply is amusing, bizarre and illustrates how little you understand of what so-called normal people use their smartphones for. "Intuitive ease of use" pertains to doing fun & work related stuff without hassle or requiring knowledge of how the device works..

Doing some research outside of tech sites might help you understand: most smartphone users do not care about file browsers, external storage or walled gardens.

Apple's products have always been aimed at people who want to enjoy a device without needing to concern themselves with the inner workings. It is designed for - and marketed to - people who want to switch it on, get onto facebook and skype, check emails and take pictures, go running and send iMessages. If you require file browsers etc: then you should recognize that the iPhone was not designed with you in mind.
 
Your reply is amusing, bizarre and illustrates how little you understand of what so-called normal people use their smartphones for. "Intuitive ease of use" pertains to doing fun & work related stuff without hassle or requiring knowledge of how the device works..

Doing some research outside of tech sites might help you understand: most smartphone users do not care about file browsers, external storage or walled gardens.

Apple's products have always been aimed at people who want to enjoy a device without needing to concern themselves with the inner workings. It is designed for - and marketed to - people who want to switch it on, get onto facebook and skype, check emails and take pictures, go running and send iMessages. If you require file browsers etc: then you should recognize that the iPhone was not designed with you in mind.

He does have a point though - iPhones have always been about ease of use (in theory) but in many ways regarding files and file transfer they couldn't be more frustrating. I know a lot of people with no tech interest at all who own iPhones, I would say that all of them, at one point or another, have asked me how to put films/music on their phone due to massive frustration with iTunes. It's not the iPhone's fault as such but iOS and its reliance on iTunes. iOS HAS become more complicated, less obvious in recent years too.

There is very very little between Android and iOS nowadays but many remain blinkered, I can only say that it was pretty deflating putting some films and music files on a friend's HTC a couple of years ago by simply plugging in a USB and dragging files to a folder - THAT is simple.
 
He does have a point though - iPhones have always been about ease of use (in theory) but in many ways regarding files and file transfer they couldn't be more frustrating. I know a lot of people with no tech interest at all who own iPhones, I would say that all of them, at one point or another, have asked me how to put films/music on their phone due to massive frustration with iTunes. It's not the iPhone's fault as such but iOS and its reliance on iTunes. iOS HAS become more complicated, less obvious in recent years too.

There is very very little between Android and iOS nowadays but many remain blinkered, I can only say that it was pretty deflating putting some films and music files on a friend's HTC a couple of years ago by simply plugging in a USB and dragging files to a folder - THAT is simple.

No drag and drop nor file system just makes everything harder yet I am aware that most users either do not care, don't know etc... plus likely never back anything up, leave everything on there in complete chaos until someone else has to fix it for them...........
 
I know a lot of people with no tech interest at all who own iPhones, I would say that all of them, at one point or another, have asked me how to put films/music on their phone due to massive frustration with iTunes. It's not the iPhone's fault as such but iOS and its reliance on iTunes. iOS HAS become more complicated, less obvious in recent years too..


Yes, I agree that iTunes is not a pleasure to work with. Nor easy to explain to my elderly family members.
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No drag and drop nor file system just makes everything harder yet I am aware that most users either do not care, don't know etc... plus likely never back anything up, leave everything on there in complete chaos until someone else has to fix it for them...........
I "force" my family to sync their phones every few days.
Then I help from time to time with "more difficult stuff", like getting videos into their video player apps etc
 
Ever try teaching elderly family computers, much less iTunes? I did it to my 80 year old aunt at the time. Lol, that was an experience.

It does amaze me that after all these years, with all the resources and feedback available to Apple that iTunes remains such a fiddly and un-intuitive system to use (even more so on PC), especially after the introduction of cloud services. It really is long overdue a complete revamp. I'd say it's by far the biggest stumbling block for those new to the eco-system yet it's at the core of it!
 
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Oh my god, how incredibly boring this years iPhone is going to be.

I really love Apple products and all.. but seriously, I've never been so uninterested to update.
I will need a compelling reason to drop another $1400
To switch from my 2 year old 6 plus( so that's $700 a year which is just stupid- on my part). It's 128 gig ,camera is good enough for the snaps I do and I love it. It's like the iPad I have a three year old one and see no reason to go a bit thinner and have a slightly better display and it's fast enough for me. I brought it out right too so am not eligible for an upgrade but looking at these why would I bother?? It's getting like a favourite pair of worn jeans I just don't want to give it up- the tears just make it more desirable for me
 
Yup, and that's exactly what I would do. If Apple were to make phones that didn't meet my needs, or, if Toyota didn't manufacture the car that I'm looking for, or, if Levis all of a sudden made crap jeans, I'd simply look for a different phone, a different car, and a different brand of jeans. Easy. And I wouldn't accuse you of being selfish if you were to recommend that course of action to me - that would be silly and makes zero sense.

Encouraging others to take responsibility and look elsewhere if a company doesn't make products that meet your needs is hardly being selfish. It's simply being aware we all have choices, standing up, taking responsibility, and spending our $ elsewhere.

I get what I want by taking responsibility and making choices. You can do whatever.

You are being selfish in your augment, your response is basically you do NOT want the same camera in the smaller and bigger model because YOU want the better camera in the phablet size phone and don't really care about smaller iOS phone fans. So long as you get what you want.
But then you argue that point by telling the the fans of smaller iOS devices that criticise the camera differential to go and buy another brand then, because you want your better camera in a phablet, which is surprising being a photographer, I would have thought cell phone cameras are the last on your list, instead of the first as they seem to be.
 
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Your reply is amusing, bizarre and illustrates how little you understand of what so-called normal people use their smartphones for. "Intuitive ease of use" pertains to doing fun & work related stuff without hassle or requiring knowledge of how the device works..

Doing some research outside of tech sites might help you understand: most smartphone users do not care about file browsers, external storage or walled gardens.

Apple's products have always been aimed at people who want to enjoy a device without needing to concern themselves with the inner workings. It is designed for - and marketed to - people who want to switch it on, get onto facebook and skype, check emails and take pictures, go running and send iMessages. If you require file browsers etc: then you should recognize that the iPhone was not designed with you in mind.


You will find lots of people asking how to transfer files between iOS devices and computers . How to simply transfer photos, music, videos to computer or from computer.

When you need download some file, you need download an app first before you can even save the file.

When you try to email multiple attachments, it is not always consist experience.

When you need more space for photo, you have no where to save before you delete whole bunch of things. With simple SD card, problem solved.

The point is, regardless of Android, iOS or Windows Phone. People can pick up a smartphone and use it right away. The ease of use is no longer advantage of iOS. All the limitations built with iOS are more of annoyances right now than ease of use.

You can argue all you want about normal user, but it still not disapprove iOS is harder to use in same cases.
 
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yay, who else remembers when pro actually meant something? Not just a tagline for a product line.

Yes, and who recalls when "revolution" meant millions of people overthrowing an oppressive regime? No just an improved screen resolution or thinner device.
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You can argue all you want about normal user, but it still not disapprove iOS is harder to use in same cases.


You might very well be right.
 
No drag and drop nor file system just makes everything harder yet I am aware that most users either do not care, don't know etc... plus likely never back anything up, leave everything on there in complete chaos until someone else has to fix it for them...........

AirDrop seems to do the job pretty easily.

My iPhone backs up automatically whenever connected to wifi and power.

My phone automatically uploads all my pictures to iCloud, which automatically sync with my Photos app. Every so often I plug it into my Mac to transfer and delete media automatically.

The people you describe are going to have problems no matter what device they use, nor how easy a task is to do. iOS couldn't be less confusing for my 85 year old mother, and we've yet to have a problem with her wanting it to do anything she needs it to do, or understanding how to do it.
 
Attention to those details is what made Apple great, the reason no-one whined about it in the 3G, 4 and 5 is because it was well designed, now it's all compromised to make the phone as thin as possible, one consideration overriding all others. Apple got where they are now because of their excellent design, now they don't seemingly care about that fact and the competition are doing it better. People can bury their heads in the sand and pretend it all doesn't matter but other companies are now pulling ahead and complacency has been then downfall of many. We bought Apple because it was the best, I'm not sure that's the case any more.

Yeah, I understand that but I don't think people are looking at the bigger picture which is the future of the iPhone in general. I agree that they haven't been as innovative as in the past or even as innovative as other companies are now. But what I can imagine is how Apple is moving towards the future with designs that are still excellent and I think they are setting themselves up for a breakthrough hopefully. This would mean new battery tech, new charging tech, making an overall better product from the ground up.

Yes, I've been a bit let down from past iPhone releases because we all expected them to blow us out of the water with one iPhone release, but realistically, they don't want to put tech into a phone if it's not worth it for the consumer. I think they are advancing as fast as they can with the current tech and they will eventually surprise us when they have the best solutions that the market doesn't even offer.
 
You are being selfish in your augment, your response is basically you do NOT want the same camera in the smaller and bigger model because YOU want the better camera in the phablet size phone and don't really care about smaller iOS phone fans. So long as you get what you want.
But then you argue that point by telling the the fans of smaller iOS devices that criticise the camera differential to go and buy another brand then, because you want your better camera in a phablet, which is surprising being a photographer I would have thought cell phone camera are the last on your list instead of the first as they seem to be.

Are you serious? It's not about being selfish - that's a red herring and not an argument at all. That feels very childish.

It's about taking responsibility in your life and the actions you take, rather than blaming others. If Ford, Apple, Epson, Sony, and Campbell's Soup don't offer products I want, I'll simply go elsewhere rather than whine or blame others.

"your response is basically you do NOT want the same camera in the smaller and bigger model because YOU want the better camera in the phablet size phone and don't really care about smaller iOS phone fans."

That's the silliest thing I've heard in awhile, as well as being untrue. I don't care what Apple does regarding their camera strategy, which models they put a better camera in etc. It's not a matter of me wanting Apple to do something that does or doesn't affect me. If Apple doesn't offer what I want, i.e. in this case a good camera, I'll simply go elsewhere. That's called taking responsibility for your choices. Give it a try sometime. You'll feel liberated. And you'll earn respect from others.

"But then you argue that point by telling the the fans of smaller iOS devices that criticise the camera differential to go and buy another brand then,..."

No, I'm telling people to vote with their wallet. If Apple or Samsung doesn't make what you want, go elsewhere. Simple.

"... because you want your better camera in a phablet, which is surprising being a photographer I would have thought cell phone camera are the last on your list instead of the first as they seem to be."

Why is that surprising? Are you a photographer? If you were you might understand why a good camera in a large phone is appealing, and as you put it, first on my list.

Here's a hint: Being a photographer and making compelling photographs that stir a viewer's imagination releasing narrative evoking an emotional response, has very little to do with gear.
 
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