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Oh my god, how incredibly boring this years iPhone is going to be.

I really love Apple products and all.. but seriously, I've never been so uninterested to update.
 
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Yup, and that's exactly what I would do. If Apple were to make phones that didn't meet my needs, or, if Toyota didn't manufacture the car that I'm looking for, or, if Levis all of a sudden made crap jeans, I'd simply look for a different phone, a different car, and a different brand of jeans. Easy. And I wouldn't accuse you of being selfish if you were to recommend that course of action to me - that would be silly and makes zero sense.

Encouraging others to take responsibility and look elsewhere if a company doesn't make products that meet your needs is hardly being selfish. It's simply being aware we all have choices, standing up, taking responsibility, and spending our $ elsewhere.

I get what I want by taking responsibility and making choices. You can do whatever.


Some of us, like myself and sounds like you, can look past camera bumps and antenna lines. We See past the physical characterstics. We see the camera, processor and software upgrades. I know I am in the minority, but so be it with the design of the iPhone 7. The overhaul change will be in 2017. Until then, give me incremental improvements and additional features to keep me satisfied until next year. I also upgrade annually, so this applies specifically to me.

The 3.5 Port will be inevitably deleted, which I will miss, but I understand, and I am accepting of this. Sure an adapter or dongle will suffice, not my current choice, but it will work for me.

This will be a battle room on Macrumors all the way up to the Keynote, then we will determine the move from here on out.

Change is uncomfortable at times, but acceptance only has two options. Leave or stay. See you on launch day.
 
Did anyone really doubt that Apple wants to increase the average price of the iPhone, especially after the unexpected success of the cheaper SE? They're being greedy as usual.
I doubt Apple will raise prices on anything but the Pro, if it actually happens. They can't afford to overprice the iPhone any more than it already is, considering it's already one of the most expensive on the market.
 
I doubt Apple will raise prices on anything but the Pro, if it actually happens. They can't afford to overprice the iPhone any more than it already is, considering it's already one of the most expensive on the market.
Exactly, which means that inevitably the average selling price of iPhones in general will increase due to the people that purchase the Pro model. In other words, iPhones won't get any more expensive than they already are, but the Pro will raise the average selling price of iPhones to counter the SE's cheaper price.
 
It should be obvious that Apple are successful due to more factors than external design.
Well documented greater considerations are intuitive ease of use, hardware-software integration, reliability, perceived higher security, after sales care. etc etc
The fact that they look and feel nice is an added bonus, but very few customers will buy - or not buy - a device because of camera bumps, thinness or other external facts.




I still use a 5 for travel, but much prefer my 6.
You seem to prefer the 5 to the 6.
Fine.



You'll agree that you do not represent everybody, perhaps not even "we".

"Well documented greater considerations are intuitive ease of use, hardware-software integration, reliability, perceived higher security, after sales care. etc etc"

Saying this is like saying Trump will be the greatest president. We all know how that gonna turn. If anything, iOS is opposite of ease of use. Give any smartphone regardless of OS, people can pick up relative fast. The fact iOS devices still have no file browser, no easy option to save file else where (aka, external storage), still unable to set default app. Anything wall gardened craps are anything but ease of use.

Speaking about quality, iPhone's quality is lengdary. I replaced my iPhone's screen twice under warranty due to dead pixel. This is my third screen, and dead pixel came back recently.

When I go travel, I use my Android with bigger battery and save all the pictures and videos to SD card. I refuse pay 200 dollars more for 128GB iPhone.
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Exactly, which means that inevitably the average selling price of iPhones in general will increase due to the people that purchase the Pro model. In other words, iPhones won't get any more expensive than they already are, but the Pro will raise the average selling price of iPhones to counter the SE's cheaper price.

iPhone need to be cheaper, not stay the same price or price increase.
 
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iPhone need to be cheaper, not stay the same price or price increase.
Tell that to Apple, not me! I wouldn't mind a price decrease, either!
[doublepost=1470619506][/doublepost]And the line-up will be so confusing: iPhone SE, iPhone 6s, iPhone 6s Plus, iPhone 7, iPhone 7 Plus, iPhone Pro.
 
Tell that to Apple, not me! I wouldn't mind a price decrease, either!
[doublepost=1470619506][/doublepost]And the line-up will be so confusing: iPhone SE, iPhone 6s, iPhone 6s Plus, iPhone 7, iPhone 7 Plus, iPhone Pro.

iPhone 6 could still be offered as low priced 4.7 and 5.5 inch iPhone. By then iPhone 6 would be 200 dollar cheaper.
 
iPhone 6 could still be offered as low priced 4.7 and 5.5 inch iPhone. By then iPhone 6 would be 200 dollar cheaper.
Highly doubt it. That's the whole purpose of the SE, so that they don't have to offer a "free" larger-screened iPhone in the fall. Those who want a larger screen and have been holding out will have to pay more, at least that's what Apple wants.
 
Ugh not a fan of all the leaks since the iPhone 5. It just sucks all the fun out of reveal day. I get it's a rumor website but it used to be 50/50 chance a rumor was real or fake now it's pretty much right on the money.
 
Ugh not a fan of all the leaks since the iPhone 5. It just sucks all the fun out of reveal day. I get it's a rumor website but it used to be 50/50 chance a rumor was real or fake now it's pretty much right on the money.

I never get what so fun about a product announcements. It is just one more phone out of a bunch. Especially, iPhone has been really underwhelming for so long, I stopped caring about it.
 
"Well documented greater considerations are intuitive ease of use, hardware-software integration, reliability, perceived higher security, after sales care. etc etc"

Saying this is like saying Trump will be the greatest president. We all know how that gonna turn. If anything, iOS is opposite of ease of use. Give any smartphone regardless of OS, people can pick up relative fast. The fact iOS devices still have no file browser, no easy option to save file else where (aka, external storage), still unable to set default app. Anything wall gardened craps are anything but ease of use.

Speaking about quality, iPhone's quality is lengdary. I replaced my iPhone's screen twice under warranty due to dead pixel. This is my third screen, and dead pixel came back recently.

When I go travel, I use my Android with bigger battery and save all the pictures and videos to SD card. I refuse pay 200 dollars more for 128GB iPhone.
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iPhone need to be cheaper, not stay the same price or price increase.
With 1 billion iPhones, you hit the unlucky lottery. We've had 3 iPhone 4, two iPad 2, two 5s, 1 6, 1 6s and two MacBook airs. Since 2010 only 1 issue.

When I travel I take my dslr, lenses and laptop. Everything gets backed up there(laptop). I've had sd cards fail, unless I drop my laptop...

Apple still made 43b last quarter, so people don't find iPhone "that underwhelming".
 
With 1 billion iPhones, you hit the unlucky lottery. We've had 3 iPhone 4, two iPad 2, two 5s, 1 6, 1 6s and two MacBook airs. Since 2010 only 1 issue.

When I travel I take my dslr, lenses and laptop. Everything gets backed up there(laptop). I've had sd cards fail, unless I drop my laptop...

When I travel, I bring two things: my Android phone and iPad. I primary use Android with 64GB SD card for filming and take pictures.

Talking about quality issue. I had 08 white MacBook logic board failed within warranty period. 2 iPad 2 went replacement because it always disconnect with my wifi network, iPhone 6 and 6S both went screen replacement because of dead pixels.

Apple's product quality at good. Certainly better than those cheap Android craps. But not as good as people claimed to me. I have bunch of Android phone, Windows laptops and desktops worked fine without issue for years.
 
When I travel, I bring two things: my Android phone and iPad. I primary use Android with 64GB SD card for filming and take pictures.

Talking about quality issue. I had 08 white MacBook logic board failed within warranty period. 2 iPad 2 went replacement because it always disconnect with my wifi network, iPhone 6 and 6S both went screen replacement because of dead pixels.

Apple's product quality at good. Certainly better than those cheap Android craps. But not as good as people claimed to me. I have bunch of Android phone, Windows laptops and desktops worked fine without issue for years.
The reason I use my laptop is that pictures get backed up to my website using wifi.

But I think you've been unlucky, I've really never had issues with any electronic device except for my bb storm 2, 5 replacements. I guess when tens of millions of iPhones are manufactured a small percentage slip through quality control.
 
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I doubt Apple will raise prices on anything but the Pro, if it actually happens. They can't afford to overprice the iPhone any more than it already is, considering it's already one of the most expensive on the market.

I'm not so sure anymore. I can see Apple doing a $50 price increase only because Apple can get away with it. It just wouldn't surprise me.
 
The reason I use my laptop is that pictures get backed up to my website using wifi.

But I think you've been unlucky, I've really never had issues with any electronic device except for my bb storm 2, 5 replacements. I guess when tens of millions of iPhones are manufactured a small percentage slip through quality control.

I do trust Apple in quality wise. I never bother to buy Apple Care plus in any of my iPhone purchase, because I expect t last long. However, Apple's quality start to decline, it shows up now.
 
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I do trust Apple in quality wise. I never bother to buy Apple Care plus in any of my iPhone purchase, because I expect t last long. However, Apple's quality start to decline, it shows up now.
I guess I don't see any quality decline. I always thought apples manufacturing quality was good. I do have AppleCare, the reason is that I'm a klutz.
 
I'm not so sure anymore. I can see Apple doing a $50 price increase only because Apple can get away with it. It just wouldn't surprise me.
If Apple can get away with it (i.e., make more in profit by raising prices because those here who vow to defect aren't economically significant) then they probably should. It makes fiscal sense.
 
It's like last year all over again. Everyone's like "ugh, no innovation. I'm not getting one" and then I think "fine by me, makes it easier to get one". Surprise surprise, out of stock for weeks.
 
Highly doubt it. That's the whole purpose of the SE, so that they don't have to offer a "free" larger-screened iPhone in the fall. Those who want a larger screen and have been holding out will have to pay more, at least that's what Apple wants.

I disagree. The purpose of the SE is to offer a sub $400 phone, which also satisfies all those 4" phone customers who were not upgrading while testing the market for a new $600 4" phone. What Apple needs to do is get a large screen phone down to the $449 range to draw in even more Android customers who want to switch but can't afford Apple. The SE will likely drop to $299 or $349 after the 6s drops to $549 in September.
 
Current SE is really-really good. Also features an amazing 3.5 mm audio jack to be plugged into just about anything. ;) It would make little sense for Apple to release a new 4" phone just several months after SE, so we might have it in the spring 2017 or later?
I can still hang onto the 6s until the next one comes out, even though I dislike it every day...
I bought the 6s simply due to the 2GB RAM and the improved camera comparing to the perfectly functional 5s (The 5s constantly restarts the apps when I switch to the other ones though)
I would be stunned if Apple put out a 4" phone in September 2016.

And equally stunned if they don't put out a 4" phone in September 2017.
Agreed and makes little business sense...

I wouldn't bank on it for September. They have so many of the current SE's being manufactured it doesn't make business sense to update it after only 6 months.

We can sure dream of it going to happen...although 0.000000001% is not the same as 0% chance...
(Looking at the ancient Mac lineup, sigh...)

They literally released that in 2016. It's called the iPhone SE.

hm...Nope, incorrect information.
Not the same Touch ID hardware. Also, no 128 GB storage option.
These would tempt me enough to take the loss of trading in the 6s even though Apple does not take 6s for trade in yet.
 
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