6 of 6 iPad Pros have dead pixels!!!!

bufffilm said:
It is improbable that he has a dead pixel?

I think you need to do a reality check
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6 in a row ? More than improbable, it's almost impossible.
I still have to see a single iPad with a dead pixel, and I saw hundreds (literally).
One could be. Two is improbable. Three is almost impossible .... more than that in a row is impossible.

Ulenspiegel said:
You became a member today and your first post is about 6 units with defective screens in a row.
Then, you want to see the date when the iPPs of members were manufactured providing a link.
When do we learn to ignore troll baits?
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The real question is : why people do that ?

jqc said:
Why is this troll bait? You can't believe Apple would release iPads into the wild with stuck pixels? My first two had very apparent stuck pixels, and the Apple Store employee who processed both returns agreed right away when they saw them. My third is fine. I've bought and and exchanged/returned a handful of iPads and iPhones over the years for the same issue. In each case the store employee saw it right away and agreed. It DOES happen and even if it's a small percentage, they ship tens of millions of these things per quarter. And with the screen being the thing whole reason usage case of these devices, no one should EVER accept units with stuck pixels.

Having said that, to the OP I don't think it has anything to do with production dates. A batch produced a year from now are just as likely to have a number of units with stuck pixels as the batch you just bought from.
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again, 6 in a row is not possible.
 
[QUOTE="jqc, post: 22334068, member: 113740" Having said that, to the OP I don't think it has anything to do with production dates. A batch produced a year from now are just as likely to have a number of units with stuck pixels as the batch you just bought from.[/QUOTE]

I just wonder if (1) whether QC was less tight early on as they were rushing to market or (2) this is actually dust under the screen and they had some kind of dust issue at the plant. Another possibility is (3) change in LCD supplier. We've seen that before.
 
Max(IT) said:
6 in a row ? More than improbable, it's almost impossible.
I still have to see a single iPad with a dead pixel, and I saw hundreds (literally).
One could be. Two is improbable. Three is almost impossible .... more than that in a row is impossible.


The real question is : why people do that ?


again, 6 in a row is not possible.
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Well it happened to me. Don't know what else to say. Don't know why I would make it up.

Don't know why you day that more than a few in a row is "impossible". The probability of getting a bad screen is not contingent on the status of prior screens. It's a totally independent event.

If there are a very small number of bad screens out there, then yes, it would be highly improbable to get 6 in a row (but not impossible). Indeed, it is possible to roll a dice 100 times and get '6' every time. Not only is that not impossible, you can easily calculate the probability of that happening.

So either (1) I am very very unlucky or (2) there are more bad screens out there than you/we think.

It is also likely that I looked over the screens more carefully than most. Is it possible that you haven't looked carefully for dead pixels?
 
jqc said:
Why is this troll bait? You can't believe Apple would release iPads into the wild with stuck pixels? My first two had very apparent stuck pixels, and the Apple Store employee who processed both returns agreed right away when they saw them. My third is fine. I've bought and and exchanged/returned a handful of iPads and iPhones over the years for the same issue. In each case the store employee saw it right away and agreed. It DOES happen and even if it's a small percentage, they ship tens of millions of these things per quarter. And with the screen being the thing whole reason usage case of these devices, no one should EVER accept units with stuck pixels.

Having said that, to the OP I don't think it has anything to do with production dates. A batch produced a year from now are just as likely to have a number of units with stuck pixels as the batch you just bought from.
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I changed my mind... Because this is def troll bait. Apple does release defective units and some people may even have the terrible misfortune of receiving more than one, but not six... and to take it one step further - if anyone purchased/exchanged/traded/inspected 6 iPad pros and they all had dead pixels/production issues Apple would make damn sure that you would leave that store with an IPP or one would be overnighted to you.

If I was the purchaser I would have insisted on that...

This officially smells like troll.
 
FrancoRumors said:
I changed my mind... Because this is def troll bait. Apple does release defective units and some people may even have the terrible misfortune of receiving more than one, but not six... and to take it one step further - if anyone purchased/exchanged/traded/inspected 6 iPad pros and they all had dead pixels/production issues Apple would make damn sure that you would leave that store with an IPP or one would be overnighted to you.

If I was the purchaser I would have insisted on that...

This officially smells like troll.
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Or they need to put away the magnifying glass for pixel hunting and just be happy with the coolness.
 
FrancoRumors said:
I changed my mind... Because this is def troll bait. Apple does release defective units and some people may even have the terrible misfortune of receiving more than one, but not six... and to take it one step further - if anyone purchased/exchanged/traded/inspected 6 iPad pros and they all had dead pixels/production issues Apple would make damn sure that you would leave that store with an IPP or one would be overnighted to you.

If I was the purchaser I would have insisted on that...

This officially smells like troll.
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Was in the store Saturday. Checked every brown box swap they had in stock. They ordered another one to come in for Tuesday so I'll report back then. I think I'm done defending myself. Later.
 
rapdo123 said:
Well it happened to me. Don't know what else to say. Don't know why I would make it up.

Don't know why you day that more than a few in a row is "impossible". The probability of getting a bad screen is not contingent on the status of prior screens. It's a totally independent event.

If there are a very small number of bad screens out there, then yes, it would be highly improbable to get 6 in a row (but not impossible). Indeed, it is possible to roll a dice 100 times and get '6' every time. Not only is that not impossible, you can easily calculate the probability of that happening.

So either (1) I am very very unlucky or (2) there are more bad screens out there than you/we think.

It is also likely that I looked over the screens more carefully than most. Is it possible that you haven't looked carefully for dead pixels?
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dead pixels are quite an obvious defect.
I stand my position: six in a row is impossible.

rapdo123 said:
Was in the store Saturday. Checked every brown box swap they had in stock. They ordered another one to come in for Tuesday so I'll report back then. I think I'm done defending myself. Later.
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You were in the store, checked ALL the replacement units, and found all of them defective ?
ok you are trolling ....
 
The sad thing is that most rationale and logical people would consider the OPs post as trolling, what's the chances of 6 units in a row having an issue, though I know there are members who did not just join that have returned this many units looking for a perfect one.

OP, I believe your expectations are far above the average person. And if you want to find an issue with a product you will. It's just a tool, it's not the holy grail.
 
rapdo123 said:
Between Genius bar swaps and potential Genius bar swaps that I have rejected before they officially logged the swap, fully six of all six iPad Pros I have tried have dead pixels and/or dust under the screen, varying in severity and location. How prevelant are pixels anomalies out there? I'm wondering if there was a bad batch?

I would love to see what weeks your iPad Pros were manufactured, both for units with perfect screens and for those with dead pixels. Maybe that way we can see if there is a trend as to which batch is bad. You can use this link to find out: http://sndeep.info/en

The two most recent ones I had were made in week 44 (2 Nov-8 Nov) and in week 41 (12 Oct - 18 Oct). The first one had a massive dead pixel in the center right of the screen, the latter a smaller dead pixel in the far lower left.
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I currently have an iPad pro, but I have not found any dead or stuck pixels yet. This one will however get swapped as it has a noticeable tint gradient along the screen. I did however go trough a lot (more than I'd like to admit) iPad mini's 1st gen because of dust under the screen and uneven tint's, I did however finally get one that was near perfect. Same story with the iPad air 2, had several swaps, this time only four though, and the fourth was actually really nice. A little yellow overall but no noticible tint gradient and very little book spine.

I recommend you to keep going if the Pro is what you want. I'm going to do so myself and I won't stop till I have a screen that is up to my standards.
 
MH01 said:
The sad thing is that most rationale and logical people would consider the OPs post as trolling, what's the chances of 6 units in a row having an issue, though I know there are members who did not just join that have returned this many units looking for a perfect one.

OP, I believe your expectations are far above the average person. And if you want to find an issue with a product you will. It's just a tool, it's not the holy grail.
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I actually don't believe it is that far fetched. I've gone trough several iPad mini (which should make it technically a lot easier to produce them without dust under the screen as the screen is so much smaller) because they al had dust specs that were actually quite obtrusive. It's probably still just bad luck but I do not believe the OP is trolling or that it is that unlikely.
 
jqc said:
Why is this troll bait? You can't believe Apple would release iPads into the wild with stuck pixels? My first two had very apparent stuck pixels, and the Apple Store employee who processed both returns agreed right away when they saw them. My third is fine. I've bought and and exchanged/returned a handful of iPads and iPhones over the years for the same issue. In each case the store employee saw it right away and agreed. It DOES happen and even if it's a small percentage, they ship tens of millions of these things per quarter. And with the screen being the thing whole reason usage case of these devices, no one should EVER accept units with stuck pixels.

Having said that, to the OP I don't think it has anything to do with production dates. A batch produced a year from now are just as likely to have a number of units with stuck pixels as the batch you just bought from.
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It's got nothing to do with production dates. It's all actually to do with the customer. If the customer sits there and slowly analyses the complete LCD in every colour combination, yeah, they will probably find a stuck or dead pixel. The average user, just uses the product.

I've have found one dead pixel on a 27 iMac , of all the apple products I have owned. If I pixel peeped into every product I have owned, no doubt most of them would have had an issue.

of the devices you returned, most people would have kept as perfectly normal , in my opinion.
 
fenjen said:
I actually don't believe it is that far fetched. I've gone trough several iPad mini (which should make it technically a lot easier to produce them without dust under the screen as the screen is so much smaller) because they al had dust specs that were actually quite obtrusive. It's probably still just bad luck but I do not believe the OP is trolling or that it is that unlikely.
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I'm not sure it's dust they are seeing, of variations of the LCD itself. Technically speaking , am LCD cannot be uniformly perfect.
 
Max(IT) said:
You were in the store, checked ALL the replacement units, and found all of them defective ?
ok you are trolling ....
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They had only two IPP 128 space grey cellular models in stock in their brown box (swap) inventory. The genius allowed me to check both of them and they both had very obvious dead pixels. The prior night I was in a different apple store where there was one such model in stock and it also had an obvious dead pixel. So that's three of my six count.

I did look at the models on display on the floor and was unable to find any with dead pixels. So that's why I asked about production dates. All the brown box swaps had very close together serial numbers.

Agree that part of the problem is that I'm picky. Fully accept that.
 
rapdo123 said:
They had only two IPP 128 space grey cellular models in stock in their brown box (swap) inventory. The genius allowed me to check both of them and they both had very obvious dead pixels. The prior night I was in a different apple store where there was one such model in stock and it also had an obvious dead pixel. So that's three of my six count.

I did look at the models on display on the floor and was unable to find any with dead pixels. So that's why I asked about production dates. All the brown box swaps had very close together serial numbers.

Agree that part of the problem is that I'm picky. Fully accept that.
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Yes the problem is with you ;) And nothing wrong with that mate. It's your money to spend, and the worth is decided by the quality of the product.

Most of us no doubt have defects we would never notice or consider as defects, Well until the day we actually do , and drives us crazy!

just expect to cope a bit of flack on here. :)

As I say, one man's trash is another man's treasure . Exactly the same device varies between two individuals in relation to how perfect it is.

Good luck getting what you are after! And enjoy it !
 
rapdo123 said:
They had only two IPP 128 space grey cellular models in stock in their brown box (swap) inventory. The genius allowed me to check both of them and they both had very obvious dead pixels. The prior night I was in a different apple store where there was one such model in stock and it also had an obvious dead pixel. So that's three of my six count.

I did look at the models on display on the floor and was unable to find any with dead pixels. So that's why I asked about production dates. All the brown box swaps had very close together serial numbers.

Agree that part of the problem is that I'm picky. Fully accept that.
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Actually not. If you were speaking about gradient or backlight bleeds I would have spoken about a picky customer. But you are speaking about dead pixels. They are an obvious and evident defect. Nothing subjective.
You found six in a row, I still have to find ONE in several hundreds I checked (literally I have 3 hundreds).
 
Max(IT) said:
Actually not. If you were speaking about gradient or backlight bleeds I would have spoken about a picky customer. But you are speaking about dead pixels. They are an obvious and evident defect. Nothing subjective.
You found six in a row, I still have to find ONE in several hundreds I checked (literally I have 3 hundreds).
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Max. Maybe you just have bad eyesight ;)
 
The thing is this forum is full of picky people, me included. And while there are many reports of uniformity issues (e.g. dark corners, colour gradients etc), the number of stuck or dead pixel reports is near zero. So while I haven't see any of these 6 to comment, it is undoubtedly not representative of the wider user base. (And yes, I am the type that puts on R G B test patterns, black screens, white screens checking a display fully)
 
Sounds like the OP got trapped in a bad manufacture batch. Mine (launch day devices) and a co-workers (also a launch day device) are perfect with no dust or dead pixels and no yellow tint. And it's not that I don't know what to look for either - my first two iPhone 4's had horrible displays with screwed up greyscales and yellow tints.
 
xraydoc said:
Sounds like the OP got trapped in a bad manufacture batch. Mine (launch day devices) and a co-workers (also a launch day device) are perfect with no dust or dead pixels and no yellow tint. And it's not that I don't know what to look for either - my first two iPhone 4's had horrible displays with screwed up greyscales and yellow tints.
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That's the most likely cause. It is pretty common in electronic manufacturing to have minor calibration issues early in a production run. Some issues are identified by the QC teams. If the issue doesn't cross tolerance boundaries that have been established then the necessary adjustments are made but the affected units go out (they meet the specs). If the issue is significant enough to exceed permissible limits, then they're removed and salvaged.

It would be interesting to know what Apple's tolerances are for dead/hot pixels.

My own personal experience is that I have not ever encountered an Apple device that had a dead or hot pixel. But that's my own experience. (that's for all that I've purchased for the family which is 2-3 dozen devices)
 
I returned an IPP this morning that had a cluster of dead pixels or dust under the screen. I spotted it on the welcome screen and put it right back in the box - didn't spend time trying to figure out if it was pixels or dust. I dropped it off at FedEx along with an IPP that had a prominent yellow-blue gradient. Sigh.
 
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