6 or 6+ - they are both terrible

[packers85]

The 6 and 6 Plus take photos consistently better then the 5S, countless photoshoot outs show this, and my Plus takes noticeably better photos then the 5S i used to own, I am a pretty big photographer and I have heard of this noise reduction issue, it occurs only sometimes, but the photos are still noticeably better then the 5S, espcially in low light

We'll just have to agree to disagree then.

I will say this, I had no problems with the video on the 6 and it was absolutely outstanding, definitely top notch. But for photos, I noticed the noise reduction smudginess far too often in my photos. I'd say 75% of the time I can easily see some noise reduction. What bugs me the most is the noise reduction on skin tone, especially my skin tone for whatever reason. In every photo of myself, I can see it and it bugs the hell out of me. Plus, there is a severe contrast issue with the 6 compared to the 5s as well, which has been documented.

 

[Bobby Corwen]

More common than you think:
https://forums.macrumors.com/threads/1791582/

https://forums.macrumors.com/threads/1790320/

I did do a fresh restore and that didn't help. It's the GPU that runs out of breath with much more it has to work in downscaling to 1080p. It is underpowered by default in a way. Look at the GPU comparison charts and the 6+ has worse FPS performance than the 5S in a lot of cases because of the increased resolution.

The majority of people in those threads reported that they don't have stutter.

If you did a fresh restore you would have the same exact setup as me.

Unless your hardware is different than mine...

How do you explain that mine doesn't lag?

The wallpaper screen is probably a legit bug that can be fixed in a software update.

If you want to complain about something, complain about the damn Podcasts app lol.

 

[SomeGuyDude]

Without a doubt, one of my favorite things about anything new in tech is how many people show up to cry about tiny issues, and how this is the worst ever and the brand sucks now and wah wah wah.

Quite literally every new device that has ever come out has had some people who didn't get a perfect experience, some stutters and hiccups, every software update has a few people that had issues with it. You find me ANYTHING that has EVER been made with a 100% success rate and I will eat my office chair. It doesn't happen. Not phones, not cars, not bottles of wine, not toasters, not steakhouse steaks.

I've been using smartphones since the Droid Incredible on Verizon back in 2010 (I had phones before that, but there weren't exactly forum communities for old Kyocera dumbphones). I've since had that, the Thunderbolt, the Galaxy Nexus, the Galaxy S3, Galaxy S4, two iPhone 5s's, a Nexus 5, LG G3, and now the 6+. I've also had a Galaxy Tab Note, the Tab note 2014 edition, an iPad 3, an iPad mini retina, and a Galaxy Tab Pro 10.1.

You know what's funny? Literally ALL of them had people whining and crying that this was a step backwards, worst ever, jumping ship to a competing brand, _____ just lost me as a customer forever, I can't believe they released this piece of crap and so on and so forth. It just repeats every single time and it's hilarious to me.

 

[Alimar]

Not understanding on why you feel the need in informing us. I don't feel the need in informing the forum of why I hate rice krispies, nor do I think they would care.

You probably should just stop buying phones until 2025. Until then, you won't be happy.

The 'Rice Krispies' OS is out already?

 

[Bahroo]

To be fair, you're being quite hypocritical by saying you're talking to a brick wall, when you yourself added fluff words to swerve147's post just to reiterate your point.

And to your argument on Android devices running on legacy hardware--why does it matter? Obviously it doesn't bother the user base enough to switch. Not all of us are forefronts in technology. Why does this strike a nerve to you?

Back on topic, OP-- I'd test out an Android device if you find the iPhone and iOS to be terrible. Two things can happen: 1) a new appreciation on how iOS is designed, or 2) a new appreciation to the open nature of Android. Your personal expeerience far outweighs our suggestions.

It doesnt strike any nerve at all, he simply said and in his statement that "Android is a good OS, its user base is a example of that" right along those lines and I explained and said why it has such a massive user base and what makes up majority of the user base, thats all, and now people are trying to dispute fact with me lol?

I dont expect everyone to be forefront of technology, of course not

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We'll just have to agree to disagree then.

I will say this, I had no problems with the video on the 6 and it was absolutely outstanding, definitely top notch. But for photos, I noticed the noise reduction smudginess far too often in my photos. I'd say 75% of the time I can easily see some noise reduction. What bugs me the most is the noise reduction on skin tone, especially my skin tone for whatever reason. In every photo of myself, I can see it and it bugs the hell out of me. Plus, there is a severe contrast issue with the 6 compared to the 5s as well, which has been documented.

http://www.dxomark.com/Phones/Apple-iPhone-6-and-6-Plus-review-Bigger-and-better.-Apple-set-gold-standard-for-smartphone-image-quality

DxOmark doesnt report or show this, and I also have actually never had any contrast issues either on the 6 i used to own(now have the Plus)

 

[cababah]

The majority of people in those threads reported that they don't have stutter.

If you did a fresh restore you would have the same exact setup as me.

Unless your hardware is different than mine...

How do you explain that mine doesn't lag?

The wallpaper screen is probably a legit bug that can be fixed in a software update.

If you want to complain about something, complain about the damn Podcasts app lol.

The lag obviously depends on how each person uses their phone. Each person also defines "lag" a bit differently and some are just less perceptive to it. There is also a difference if you turn Reduce Motion --> On. Some apps also run more smoothly than others.

Hopefully, you can begin to see that there are many, many variables here. However, there is definitely lag on the 6+ for lots of users and you can do a quick search to get more evidence of this. It affects way too many people to be labeled as a "defect."

 

[Shredder96]

The answer to this problem is getting a nice case and jailbreaking.

 

[BigHonkingDeal]

I agree with the op that the 6/6+ are garbage phones. Keeping my 5S until it literally dies.

garbage phones? REALLY? Please tell us more.....

 

[nj1266]

I have an iPhone 6+ and the only thing that annoys me with it is the occasional performance stuttering. Absolutely unacceptable on a brand new phone.



I can only wonder how poorly it will run a year from now...I think I'll be forced to upgrade early to the "S" model next year when they actually upgrade the internals.



The 6/6+ are barely any faster than the 5S...Apple screwed up in that department. Other than that, I love the size and screen and battery life.

It could be the OS and not the hardware. iOS 7 was glitchy and stuttered when it was first introduced. Then gradually Apple improved it and 7.1.2 was as good as all the prior iOSes.

There is no reason to suspect that Apple will not do the same with 8.1 especially since there are 8.2 and 8.3 in the works. Smoothing out an OS takes time especially since Apple now has multiple devices to deal with.

The non S upgrades have always focused on appearance changes. We have seen this with the 4 and the 5. The internals on the 4/5 were slightly better than before but the design was totally different. The S upgrades have focused on internal changes. Apple does not do both in a the same year on the iPhone. So you are complaining about something that you already knew about.

I am in the non S cycle and I see a huge improvement over my iPhone 5. Almost everything is better. The only thing that is worse is the glitchy OS. I am having WiFi slowdowns and the speeds are not as fast as they should be. But it is not totally awful as some others have it. I am sure that Apple will fix the glitches in good time.

 

[Bobby Corwen]

The lag obviously depends on how each person uses their phone. Each person also defines "lag" a bit differently and some are just less perceptive to it. There is also a difference if you turn Reduce Motion --> On. Some apps also run more smoothly than others.

Hopefully, you can begin to see that there are many, many variables here. However, there is definitely lag on the 6+ for lots of users and you can do a quick search to get more evidence of this. It affects way too many people to be labeled as a "defect."

well to add even more variables; what about how many of those loaded from a backup vs clean install.. we don't have that data.

More people have buttery smooth phones than not.

So yeah for whatever reason, some aren't working as smooth as others. But the default is that it works smooth, and some people have bugs that others don't have. So the question is what is making that difference??

I would say its a large majority that have generally flawless phones in day to day behavior.

 

[cababah]

well to add even more variables; what about how many of those loaded from a backup vs clean install.. we don't have that data.

More people have buttery smooth phones than not.

So yeah for whatever reason, some aren't working as smooth as others. But the default is that it works smooth, and some people have bugs that others don't have. So the question is what is making that difference??

I would say its a large majority that have generally flawless phones in day to day behavior.

If I have to do a clean install every OS update and manually add my files in to get a smooth experience, then that is a problem with Apple's software engineering.

I've always loaded from backups for all my past iPhones and never had any performance issues so close to when it launched.

The 6+ stutters at times; this is a fact that is widely accepted by now. It makes more sense when you understand how the phone has to downscale to render content in 1080p. There's nothing mysterious about why it stutters; the 6+ taxes the hardware a lot more than the regular 6. You can look up side by side video reviews to see more evidence if you still refuse to acknowledge this.

 

[Bobby Corwen]

If I have to do a clean install every OS update and manually add my files in to get a smooth experience, then that is a problem with Apple's software engineering.

I've always loaded from backups for all my past iPhones and never had any performance issues so close to when it launched.

The 6+ stutters at times; this is a fact that is widely accepted by now. It makes more sense when you understand how the phone has to downscale to render content in 1080p. There's nothing mysterious about why it stutters; the 6+ taxes the hardware a lot more than the regular 6. You can look up side by side video reviews to see more evidence if you still refuse to acknowledge this.

YOUR 6+ stutters at times. Not mine. its not widely accepted, there was a poll, and a majority claimed to not have problems. And even further helps the stat to note that people were more likely to come vote if they had an issue. So only like 100 people claimed that.

If you go further and consider its an issue that is being fixed and some of the lag is just perception, it gives even less credibility to some widespread problem.

Then the rest of the ones who have actual glitches probably haven't done a clean install for years and now its time to sorry.

Again, mine is flawless... you can't explain that...

 

[ET iPhone Home]

Oh wow, I like your candor. Please tells me more, before I open my wallet.

 

[cababah]

YOUR 6+ stutters at times. Not mine. its not widely accepted, there was a poll, and a majority claimed to not have problems. And even further helps the stat to note that people were more likely to come vote if they had an issue. So only like 100 people claimed that.

If you go further and consider its an issue that is being fixed and some of the lag is just perception, it gives even less credibility to some widespread problem.

Then the rest of the ones who have actual glitches probably haven't done a clean install for years and now its time to sorry.

Again, mine is flawless... you can't explain that...

As I said I have done a clean install, twice actually and it does not fix the 6+ occasional stutter. Just because you use your phone so lightly or in a way that doesn't push it, does not mean that the vast majority experience no issue.

I think you're being ignorant and stubborn about something that is a fact. However, due to the wide variation in how people use their phones, not everyone experiences it. Has nothing to do with fresh installs; that's a load of garbage.

Anyway, enjoy your "flawless" phone lol....remember to occasionally come up for air after sticking your head back in the sand.

 

[Bobby Corwen]

As I said I have done a clean install, twice actually and it does not fix the 6+ occasional stutter. Just because you use your phone so lightly or in a way that doesn't push it, does not mean that the vast majority experience no issue.

I think you're being ignorant and stubborn about something that is a fact. However, due to the wide variation in how people use their phones, not everyone experiences it. Has nothing to do with fresh installs; that's a load of garbage.

Anyway, enjoy your "flawless" phone lol....remember to occasionally come up for air after sticking your head back in the sand.

What do you "push" it to do?

Ive played the latest games. They are flawless.

I have browsed the web, aggressively.

I have scrolled, swiped, and not noticed any hiccups.

I have seen only the spotlight->landscape glitch and the scrolling the wallpapers glitch. What else is there?

What does it really take to make it hesitate?? If its so obvious why can't you tell me what to look for and how to re-create it?

And how much of this is due to being a new OS version with lots of dramatic screen changes? It will be patched again soon.

 

[Septembersrain]

I don't think everyone agrees with this opinion. I use Transcopy so I don't have sync issues with specific items. Now I'm not a fan of the 6 or 6+ right now either but for some they works perfectly. I don't find the camera to be that bad as my friend sends me photos from his and they seem nice.

iOS 8 killed a couple of my devices performance wise but it's okay, I knew there would come a time. I was ready to upgrade. To each their own really.

 

[cababah]

What do you "push" it to do?

Ive played the latest games. They are flawless.

I have browsed the web, aggressively.

I have scrolled, swiped, and not noticed any hiccups.

I have seen only the spotlight->landscape glitch and the scrolling the wallpapers glitch. What else is there?

What does it really take to make it hesitate?? If its so obvious why can't you tell me what to look for and how to re-create it?

And how much of this is due to being a new OS version with lots of dramatic screen changes? It will be patched again soon.

It's not so much using 1 app or safari but trying to quickly move in and out of apps very quickly where the animation will stutter. Setting wallpaper then quickly exiting will sometimes get a little lag, intensive use of the photo app in and out switching is also not smooth a lot of the time.

So if I could recommend you do anything to "stress" the UI and GPU, open and exit a lot of apps and pay attention to the smoothness of the transitions.

 

[Aximalli147]

Congratulations. Pardon me while I continue loving my 6+ more than any other inanimate object in my life.

 

[trlyka]

Sorry. I have to disagree here.

iOS 7 is the worst FisherPrice/Playschool inspired, unicorn color spewing version of iOS I have used so far.

If there was any way to get my jailbroken iPhone 5 on 7.1.2 back to the iOS 6.1 I had to give up I would do it.

Unfortunately, Apple's engorgement on and overemphasis of primary colors (thanks, I've got two kids and don't need more primary colors) continues unabated.

I agree, 8 is worse then 7 and 6 is better then both. HATE the colors after 6…..One can only hope they wise up and stop trying to force change. It's not always good

 

[woody55]

I have tried most other phones and keep coming back to the iPhone. I currently have an iPhone 6, which I am very pleased with. I certainly don't have any problems with storing this phone in my pocket on a daily basis.
They all have there little quirks, but the iPhone is great.

 

[rasputin1969]

I went from a

5S->6

6->6 Plus. Exchanged because it just felt uncomfortable and slippery. Although a case helped i figured I'd try a 6 plus as the screen size might overcome the form factor issues.

6 Plus->5S. The form factor issues remained and I quickly realized how important one handed use is to me.

That is not to say the 6/6+ are bad phones, it's just that for me the size combined with the flatness and curved sides make for an unergonomic experience.

Really, it has made me appreciate the 5S for being the great phone it is, the only thing I'd changed about it is the battery life.

 

[swerve147]

My whole point was that the reason why Android has such a huge marketshare is because of cheap Android devices , and that basically any OEM can just make a cheap 1GB , 5 megapixel shooter with a simple old dual core and stick 4.1/4.2 on it and sell it for really cheap which is a fact.

...while completely disregarding another fact, that Android is a very good OS that on its own merit, in terms of its apps and services. This is irregardless of who you perceive buys it. It'a an ecosystem completely separate from iOS and a viable alternative to it, which is why I brought it up in the first place.

This is why I dislike Macrumors. Because it's filled with people like you who, at the first sign of someone presenting something positive other than anything Apple, and especially Android, go into attack mode. Now, back on my ignore list.

 

[Bahroo]

...while completely disregarding another fact, that Android is a very good OS that on its own merit, in terms of its apps and services. This is irregardless of who you perceive buys it. It'a an ecosystem completely separate from iOS and a viable alternative to it, which is why I brought it up in the first place.

This is why I dislike Macrumors. Because it's filled with people like you who, at the first sign of someone presenting something positive other than anything Apple, and especially Android, go into attack mode. Now, back on my ignore list.

I never said Android is a bad OS LMAO, or that it isnt a option and that it sucks and isn't good. why are your insecurities coming out now? I happen to actually like Android aswell , which Is why I have bought Galaxy devices before and a few others, and also own a Nexus 7 2013 on 4.4.4 running in ART mode aswell....if I didnt like Android I would of never have purchased or own or used Android devices then lol...I have for a fact have used and owned more Android devices then you have, yes Android is a great OS, But it isn't 85% global marketshare better then iOS, that is the point, why get mad over a fact? I was simply stating the main reason why it has such a high marketshare and you seem to be offended now, what a troll. Stick me on your ignore list lmao could care less honestly your essentially a piece of paper to me, 0.1 bits of data,little johnny boy is gonna block me lmao, can't seem to have a legit, mature, factual and punctuated discussion over here I see, judging by your post, I can tell you are no older then 18 years old, which explains alot

This is why sometimes I dont like Macrumors, we have Android fanboys in diguise over here crying at the first sign of any negativeness torwards Android, they cant even hold a proper mature dicussion , Macrumors is being filled with new generation childish fanboys that post senseless nonsense now like your own post...what I said is nothing but the truth on why Android has such a commanding 85% global marketshare, that is a fact, not once in my post did I ever say Android is bad, your insecurities are coming out and showing? Lol....like I said I could care less if you ignore me I'd honestly rather not have to deal with your childish nonsense crybaby games, you are not able to provide me with any knowledge or provide me with anything sensible, your opinion and integrity and credibility on Macrumors just basically all went down the drain with your post here, but anyways really your post is just laughable. I had a good laugh at , good day sir, and wisen up, and grow up aswell, dont get too serious and hurtful and take these smartphones so seriously , there just inanimate electronic devices....Smh, let me guess, your a real life friend of OP/possibly the OP just on a different account trying to support your own topic ?

 

[recklesslife85]

I actually agree on design, both are badly designed and slip like mad in the hand. You'll get the fanboys on here who claim its lovely to hold and easy to use. I have the Plus and a Note 4 and the Note 4 is leaps and bounds above the Plus design wise, which is saying something as Samsung used to be horrible!

Used a OnePlus One the other day and the feel of that device is pretty awesome, no lag either. Great what a small company can do, better than the big boys. OnePlus Two i'll be getting if its around the same quality. Owned every iPhone to date and the 6/6+ is the worst one yet in my opinion (design wise) - You can tell Steve is no longer there.

 

[veedubshafer]

I love my 6+.