Fashion marketing as in Gucci/Rolex/BMW etc. Watch colors, matching bands, and exorbitant prices. Then they started with how fashionably eco-concious they were by using solar power. Apple, Inc. is different than they were as Apple Computer, Inc. Apple has become a fashion brand.
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71% of College Students Prefer Macs Over PCs According to Jamf Survey
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Fashion marketing as in Gucci/Rolex/BMW etc. Watch colors, matching bands, and exorbitant prices. Then they started with how fashionably eco-concious they were by using solar power. Apple, Inc. is different than they were as Apple Computer, Inc. Apple has become a fashion brand.
That is a completely false assessment of Windows 10. OS X and iOS look antiquated compared to the latest build of Windows 10.
That's BS. I have 3 MBPs going back to 2009. The plastic cover over the LCD screen broke simply from me holding the laptop from the end with one hand (thumb on top, four fingers on the bottom). The hinge on my 2012 came loose and Apple refused to repair it even under AppleCare. My 2017 MBP had two stuck butterfly keys, but it finally broke when sliding off a sofa a whole 18 inches, landing on my rug. The bottom 10% of the display stopped working and apple care replaced it with a 2018.
My last windows laptop was a Thinkpad, which survived falls onto hard surfaces, and I even stepped on it walking down my stairs in the dark. It was fine.
That figure is misleading. Macs are a phenomenal success in their price bracket. Once you toss out everything that's less than $1000, Macs absolutely dominate--they have something like a 90% market share.
The only reason why Apple has a less than 10% overall market share is that there is a ton of cheap crap that everyone buys--you know the type, HP and Dell selling big plastic and thin sheetmetal boxes full of the cheapest possible off-the-shelf parts for $500.
Apple doesn't want to make cheap crap with razor thin margins, so they don't even bother to enter that space. They don't compete with econoboxes, and frankly, they shouldn't. Doing so would harm the brand and reduce profit margins.
arbitrary goal post is arbitrary.
this isn't about "designer" or "high end" computers only. Nor can you claim that it's about price bracket when Apple is intentionally setting their price bracket higher than most others.
"Apple is the best seller on Laptops over $2500"!
when equal performance laptops from Windows are $1000... (Hyperbolic numbers used for emphasis).
simple fact. Nobody cares about the price point when you're tlaking about market share. 1 windows device that cost $200 is still a windows device. it's still a ONE on the metrics of how many people are using what.
the idea that the only numbers that should matter are ones that you define to fit Apple's sales into a leading position in the market is laughable at best and nobody but people here are going to agree with you.
Here's the link to the survey but it reads more like Jamf marketing material on why you should introduce Macs to your workplace so you can use their management software. Most industries are predominantly Windows PC and the remaining 29% of students are probably CSEE types that need specialized professional engineering software that only run on Windows.
https://resources.jamf.com/document...ent-device-choice-in-the-modern-workplace.pdf
https://resources.jamf.com/document...ent-device-choice-in-the-modern-workplace.pdf
Dude they aren't even good for Content Creation anymore. Mac hardware is so far behind compared to PC's that cost half as much that nobody uses them for serious creative work anymore. I replaced my 2015 MacBook Pro with a Lenovo that cost half as much as the Mac did and was easily 4 times faster.
Yeah, they run Windows. But their keyboards totally suck when you use Windows or Linux for that matter.
Also, when you run Windows or Linux on the Mac, then why did you buy them in the first place? Spending extra money only to eventually admit that their default operating system is not up to the job?
It is interesting when companies 'commission' other people to conduct surveys and suprise, suprise, they always are in the company's favour. Look at all the backhanded results from coca cola, the dairy industry etc.
Granted this could be a fair survey but I'm going to go with the obvious common sense approach here. What I see from a personal perspective, most kids are too poor to afford Macs.
When Microsoft conducts surveys, they come out on top.
Try again.
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All about them profit margins.
Your post reminds me of the scene from Anchorman... "You know those rating systems are flawed. They don't take into account houses with more than 2 television sets!"
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Honestly think the whole Windows vs Mac comparison a little hyperbole. There are specific tasks both might be better at but if you are a casual computer user, like most college kids, both get the job done well and are pretty stable at this point.
I think Mac's are the nicer looking and usually have higher quality feel to there hardware but you're also paying for it.
I'm not going to argue with personal preference and what a user is already used to but for general use they both get er done. I'm personally comfortable using either.
Yes, I know you think iOS is the future. Hate to break it to you, but I can count on one hand the number of iPads I've seen on campus in almost three years.
They're awful for university students. Not that MS Surface is a exactly common sight.
It wouldn't really make much sense.
If you are using Mac, you are using it because you prefer to use it over a PC. You wouldn't buy a more expensive machine if your preferred platform that cost cheaper. And even then, If you don't, you would sell it and buy a cheaper PC. If you are using PC, you are using it because you prefer it over the Mac, or because it is cheaper than Mac and you wouldn't want to spend twice the price for a Mac, that you would prefer.
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No arguments here, but that's why I started my list in the previous post with: "That said, this is why I love it".
It's all personal opinion, really.
I use Windows 10 daily for work. It's the best Windows by FAR. Really stable, having multiple desktops is nice (if a bit clunky), and as always it feels faster than the macOS.
I dare say I'm a bit techier than the average iOS user (that Apple is targeting with their Macs these days), given I'm a System Engineer for a major telecom and ssh to Linux and Solaris boxes daily (from my work-issued Lenovo ThinkPad). So I A/B my work with home experiences daily and find that while I could live with Windows going forward, I still prefer macOS for the reasons I mentioned.
Technically, I could use an iPad for work (if I could find an SSH client that I likedas much as puTTY and my work MDM didn't prevent me from doing so), but I wouldn't be happy. I like to have an attached keyboard & screen stand built-in. And Office for productivity just can't be beat (meaning, it'd be too much work for me to use an alternative).
What a time to be alive though, where we have all around GREAT choices in how we get our "computing" done: Android, iOS, Mac, Windows, Linux, Chrome, tablets of all sizes, laptop-first 2-in-1s, tablet-first 2-in-1s, laptops, desktops, mobile phones, wearables, etc.
It's ALL good in my view.
I admin Macs and Windows PCs. From my experience with both, I have to tell you that fixing Windows issues is much more painful that fixing macOS issues. The accepted solution to fixing Windows issues in many enterprise environments is to just throw a new image on the PC and be done with it. Most end users have the experience of working with tens of computers in their lifetimes, while admins will work with thousands. It's quite a different perspective.
Just FYI - millennials are way out of college and now are mid-career. They’re in their 30’s and 40’s and have a family. I’m guessing the generation you’re looking to disparage are those born post 2000. Gen Z, Net Gen, Snowflake Gen or just post-millennials. (i.e. the first generation to never have lived without access to the internet.)
Yea, great. You’ve got a plastic functional box that runs Windows. I’m happy you’re so happy you’ve that you’ve outsmarted this latest generation with your pre-millennial superciliousness.
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Yes, I know you think iOS is the future. Hate to break it to you, but I can count on one hand the number of iPads I've seen on campus in almost three years.
That's cool I guess? I wouldn't expect them to be popular for a college student considering the Safari limitations, specific app needs, and the lack of mouse support.
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Except, Price, performance, and options
All of which can be found better in Windows systems and options. the only downside is Windows. and to many, they just don't care.
now yes, Windows machines that cost $500 are going to be crap compared to a mac that costs $2000. But there are plenty of windows options that are also priced similar to Macs. But they tend to be more featured packed, and in many cases better performing
I am only going by the data presented, not anything beyond that. I just found it amusing that price was the main reason people went with a PC. It reminds me of Android - always comes down to price.
Off topic, but have you tried Termius? Cross platform, iOS, MacOS, and Windows. One subscription grants you access to all 3 platforms, supports dark mode, etc. It could use some improvement but has been good to me.No arguments here, but that's why I started my list in the previous post with: "That said, this is why I love it".
It's all personal opinion, really.
I use Windows 10 daily for work. It's the best Windows by FAR. Really stable, having multiple desktops is nice (if a bit clunky), and as always it feels faster than the macOS.
I dare say I'm a bit techier than the average iOS user (that Apple is targeting with their Macs these days), given I'm a System Engineer for a major telecom and ssh to Linux and Solaris boxes daily (from my work-issued Lenovo ThinkPad). So I A/B my work with home experiences daily and find that while I could live with Windows going forward, I still prefer macOS for the reasons I mentioned.
Technically, I could use an iPad for work (if I could find an SSH client that I likedas much as puTTY and my work MDM didn't prevent me from doing so), but I wouldn't be happy. I like to have an attached keyboard & screen stand built-in. And Office for productivity just can't be beat (meaning, it'd be too much work for me to use an alternative).
What a time to be alive though, where we have all around GREAT choices in how we get our "computing" done: Android, iOS, Mac, Windows, Linux, Chrome, tablets of all sizes, laptop-first 2-in-1s, tablet-first 2-in-1s, laptops, desktops, mobile phones, wearables, etc.
It's ALL good in my view.
I personally prefer to use MobaXTerm on Windows though.... I wish that software had a Mac Variant.
On another note:
My ThinkPad is my most reliable computer, has a better display than my Retina MacBook Pro, twice as much RAM, really loud speakers, but lesser battery life naturally.
My Mac integrates perfectly with my iPhone and Apple Watch, but Apple really doesn't provide quality or price-worthy hardware anymore.
I like MacOS but the ThinkPad W541 is the best computer I've owned... And I got it for 72% off open box because the original [idiot] purchaser accidentally upgraded to Win 10, returned it, then another purchaser bought it, tried restoring the computer, failed restoration, returned it, third person bought it, found there was no OS and returned it, then I bought it.
Lenovo overnighted me a copy of the Windows 7 restoration disks and provided me a download link to the Windows 8.1 version of their restoration disks. I have had beer and water spilled on the computer that Lenovo repaired under warranty even though the damage was accidental, repaired a damaged display also, all under three separate occasions. Lenovo has the best customer service of any computer company that I've dealt with.
I have never had a good Apple experience, the "geniuses" don't know anything at all. Apple tries to nickle and dime their customers and deny warranty claims.
This study or survey is of course naturally very biased in favor of Apple. If the company didn't exclusively serve the Mac market, the results would be very different.
Survey those same college kids when it comes to Apple "customer service" (haha funny words to have next to Apple), you'd find that the number would drop drastically.
Alternative headline: 29% of college students are nerds
Alternative headline: 99% of college students believe that a computer means just a laptop.
And the trackpads on those cheap laptops are horrible. Seems like a minor gripe, but it’s the devices primary input. You have to use it all the time.
I never said that and I disagree with it. So I would appreciate it if you didn't put words in my mouth and then attack those words.
Of course there are many other metrics and many other ways to look at it. That's literally my point. Market share (or as you say "leading position") sounds really positive but it can be misleading, and in the case of PC makers it's definitely misleading.
For the PC market, leading the overall market share seems to be pretty bad for the companies that hold it, and Apple is right to avoid that market space. Here is some background about why I and many others think that:
The three largest PC makers over the last 15 years or so are IBM (later Lenovo), HP, and Dell. They have roughly 3% profit margins. You have to make an enormous amount of PCs at 3% profit margin and increasingly these three American companies are finding that it's not worth the effort. For example:
- Lenovo is up there but why? Because they bought IBM's PC division, a company that wanted out of the PC business and dumped it, despite being a market share winner and having a great brand name and well-respected ThinkPad line. Lenovo is mostly a PC company (it's about 75% of their revenue), and they just earned $233 million off of $14.04B revenue. That's 1.6% profit margin. They are barely hanging in there, and that tiny little bit is considered good news because it's been worse for a while now.
- HP has repeatedly expressed since 2011 that they want to get out of making PCs and in 2014 they split up the company. At the time they were the #1 PC maker in the world--and they didn't want it anymore so dumped it into its own separate company.
- Dell was in dire trouble at the same time they were the #2 PC maker in the world, and so Michael Dell had to dump billions of his personal money into it to take it private. By all accounts the PC part of the business is nearly worthless, and it's only the EMC and VMWare acquisitions making any money.
All about them profit margins.
You say that sarcastically which is ironic because it's actually true. All three of the top three PC makers measured by market share are companies struggling with the PC making business in one way or another. 3% profit margins are what you get when you compete on cost, and it wasn't worth being there for them. So they split up (HP), sold out (IBM), or went private and found revenue elsewhere (Dell). Lenovo, buying IBM PC division, now has their profit margin at 1.6%, which is scary low.
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When you do that much work in order to be the largest PC maker in the world and you get so little in return, that's the perfectly example of why being in the "leading position" sounds great but is not enviable at all. Apple wants no part of that, and rightfully so.
You wouldn't want to because iOS kills active SSH sessions in the background after 3 minutes and no mouse support so it's pretty useless.