Previous models (2x Late 2013, 3x Midd 2014) had GPU throttling with same settings and default GPU Core. I am satisfied.
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750m Throttling, Retina MacBook Pro Late 2013
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I had the throttling problem in windows whilst playing games. I finally found out it was caused by the macsfancontrol app. Once I uninstalled it doesn't throttle anymore.
Try disabling any fan control apps you have running and see if it still does it.
Try disabling any fan control apps you have running and see if it still does it.
this isn't possible on a macbook and intel speed step is a power saving feature that allows the CPU to downclock under small load to save power. Disabling this would cause more heat to be generated at idle anyways causing the macbook to throttle sooner haha catch 22
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You're underclocking your VRAM by -500Mhz (if that isn't a typo). BF4 is a very VRAM speed dependent game. This will cause your framerates to be lower therefore lowering how much power your card is drawing. So i can see this stopping throttling but only by you throttling it first.
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If you play demanding games (BF3,BF4, CoD etc) or use adobe premiere then you will see throttling. If you are not a demanding user, than you wont notice a thing in your case.
first sorry for my bad english;
why isnt possible, i dont understand. this is work on all computers. intelspeedstep cause gpu downclocking. open gpu-z and enable log to file, play a game 10-15 minutes. look to log file, you will see gpu core clock decrease. now try all this, but this time disable intelspeedstep. you cant never see any gpu downclock. i played 2-3 hour crysis 2-3, my coreclock always stable. but of course all temps are incresed. (gpu 95, after 2 hour gaming)
Well a macbook doesn't have any settings you can change in its emulated BIOS that it uses for windows. Google search what Intel speed step does. I think you may be mixing up Intel speed step with Intel turbo boost which is something you want to disable. This can be done in windows power settings by setting the cpu to 99% under processor power settings
I tried power settings and lower cpu but doesnt work. still gpu core downclocking. Only solution for my pc (dell 7537) is intel speed step. i'm sorry to this solution doesnt work to mac. After disabled intel speed step, my GPU performans %20-30 increase. 750m like cripple with gpu throttling.
It doesn't really matter anyways, A macbook will throttle if both CPU and GPU are heavily loaded since the power adapter doesn't have enough wattage to support the load unless the CPU is heavily downclocked.
The power adapter might be insufficient, but the MacBook Pro also has a battery to draw power from.
This is an old article so I'm not sure whether it's still applicable: http://www.tomshardware.com/news/apple-macbook-pro-battery-benchmarks,6643.html
So could the battery contribute when the MBP is under heavy load and the power adapter is insufficient?
No body has a link for a throttling software?
And...
If any body has any rel gaming tests for bf4 bioshock on boot camp and various setting plz tell me and i don't trust notebookchek cuz it doesn't say the correct fps and tests in crazy setting 1366x768 for low normal and high and 1080p for ultra?
Plz test game on 900p or 1080p native(low setting) or 720p (somewhat about highest setting)
Ant help would be appreciated
And...
If any body has any rel gaming tests for bf4 bioshock on boot camp and various setting plz tell me and i don't trust notebookchek cuz it doesn't say the correct fps and tests in crazy setting 1366x768 for low normal and high and 1080p for ultra?
Plz test game on 900p or 1080p native(low setting) or 720p (somewhat about highest setting)
Ant help would be appreciated
On my late-2013 2.6/16/1TB/750M 15" rMBP:
BF4:
1680x1050
Mix of high and ultra
FXAA
16xAF
47-50 fps on average.
Lowest: 35 fps (not that often)
It also easily goes past 60 fps in quite a number of situations.
I don't believe that!
1.cuz on 1680x1050 it won't be full-full screen I mean like 2 black bars will be on the top and bottom of screen
2.i have mid-2014mbpr 340.52 drivers and on medium and 1080p I get 25-35sometimes 40s
I have win 8 and 2.5ghz processor which matches your CPU or even exceeds it cuz it's newer version of Intel CPU ...
3.if you search you tube you see people can hardly play it on high and 1366 768
1.cuz on 1680x1050 it won't be full-full screen I mean like 2 black bars will be on the top and bottom of screen
2.i have mid-2014mbpr 340.52 drivers and on medium and 1080p I get 25-35sometimes 40s
I have win 8 and 2.5ghz processor which matches your CPU or even exceeds it cuz it's newer version of Intel CPU ...
3.if you search you tube you see people can hardly play it on high and 1366 768
Although...
You should know that new 980m GPU in asus /msi new gt72dominator pro
With 24/16gb of ram costs 2500dollars (2403with online discount)
Which is lower than/as same as 15inch top-of-the-line rmbp
but ...
Compare 750m 2gb gddr5 to GTX980M 8Gb GDDR5
It's 10times or more powerful newer features etc even if Apple moves to 850m 950m or maybe 960m(there might be a 960) and cuts the price for 500dollars
again it's waste of money I own mid-2012 mbpr and mid 2014 one
650m was excellent at 2012 but speaking of 2014 750m is *****(sorry) even it does about /better than 660m ...
I'm an apple fan but I'm so disappointed why is Apple doing this
. Such high speed processors and weak GPU if GPU was 860m or 765m or at least 760 it would be OK but 750m?
no body should buy this super over priced thing as I did....
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Another thing...
Auros x7 v3 new gaming laptop has gtx970M SLi
Which is what?
Worlds fastest graphic card ...
It exceeds gtx980 desktop version buy 5-15percent which mean it can play every thing maxed out for 5years
And how much does this excellent notebook with 16gb ram and 2.4/3.5ghz CPU and 1080p panel and 26gb sdd+1tb hd cost?
2600$
3dmark score: more than 14000 points
Gtx970m is gs70 msi which is a thin notebook doesn't have throttling problems but apple can't cool down a single weak750m which is 30-35watts is. OS X it doesn't have good graphic driver support which means it's worse....
Any body disagreed with me?
(!Sorry for being way too long)
You should know that new 980m GPU in asus /msi new gt72dominator pro
With 24/16gb of ram costs 2500dollars (2403with online discount)
Which is lower than/as same as 15inch top-of-the-line rmbp
but ...
Compare 750m 2gb gddr5 to GTX980M 8Gb GDDR5
It's 10times or more powerful newer features etc even if Apple moves to 850m 950m or maybe 960m(there might be a 960) and cuts the price for 500dollars
again it's waste of money I own mid-2012 mbpr and mid 2014 one
650m was excellent at 2012 but speaking of 2014 750m is *****(sorry) even it does about /better than 660m ...
I'm an apple fan but I'm so disappointed why is Apple doing this
. Such high speed processors and weak GPU if GPU was 860m or 765m or at least 760 it would be OK but 750m?
no body should buy this super over priced thing as I did....
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Another thing...
Auros x7 v3 new gaming laptop has gtx970M SLi
Which is what?
Worlds fastest graphic card ...
It exceeds gtx980 desktop version buy 5-15percent which mean it can play every thing maxed out for 5years
And how much does this excellent notebook with 16gb ram and 2.4/3.5ghz CPU and 1080p panel and 26gb sdd+1tb hd cost?
2600$
3dmark score: more than 14000 points
Gtx970m is gs70 msi which is a thin notebook doesn't have throttling problems but apple can't cool down a single weak750m which is 30-35watts is. OS X it doesn't have good graphic driver support which means it's worse....
Any body disagreed with me?
(!Sorry for being way too long)
Good job comparing 5kg ugly gaming laptops against MacBooks that aren't made for games.
You don't know what you are talking about.
1680x1060 is a 16:10 aspect ratio... That's what a rMBP has, 2880x1800 = 16:10. I also have played quite a bit of BF4 on my rMBP and it runs great. 1080p is 16:9 which would cause the black bars that you are talking about, except usually the system would just stretch the image rather than border it.
Sorry but you clearly don't have a rMBP, either something is wrong with it or you have configured it like a neanderthal. It's not exactly a newer CPU, it's what a 0.1/0.2GHz spec bump, throw in turbo boost and it's pretty much unnoticeable.
If you honestly don't believe me I will fire up my system and record myself playing with FRAPS via my phone to show you settings/FPS.
On Medium settings at that resolution I can expect over 60fps on Conquest Large 64p. With a mix of High and Medium I was getting 45-55FPS on the same map.
I was about to blast back at him, but you did it for me already, thanks
I think the Iranian chap doesn't know how to configure his settings properly.
This reads like it's written by a 12 year old. Your reasoning as well as guesstimates are just odd/wrong.
Also when comparing laptops there's more to it than pure raw stats. How about displays? Ergonomics? Aesthetics? Battery life? Portability?
Have you ever used or seen a full on gaming laptop? A guy at my uni in one of my classes had some 17" Alienware he used to cart around, I've honestly seen some desktops that were more portable.
The rMBP isn't a gaming laptop, it isn't designed with much gaming in mind. Yet it does perform, exceptionally in my opinion, otherwise I wouldn't have bought mine and wouldn't be considering upgrading for Maxwell/Broadwell.
The 750M has a TDP of 50W, not 30W-35W and while I have read of people on this forum with problems, I also know of others - myself included - who haven't had a single issue with throttling. I regularly have massive long gaming sessions in a warm room without a single issue. My best friend at uni has the identical laptop to me and she has no problems as well when we game together. (She bought hers after using mine and was that impressed by it). The rMBP doesn't have a problem cooling the 750M and since when does OS X not have good driver support? Drivers work perfectly fine.
So the 650M is good in 2012 but the 750M sucks in 2014? Well what do you suggest Apple do? Point a gun to Nvidia's head and force them to release Maxwell? Chips are only just coming out. Apple put the best mobile GPU within that 50W power envelop that they could. There's nothing wrong with the 750M.
Not saying I don't want something more, why update to say a GTX 850M or GTX 860M right this very minute when you don't have a new CPU to go along with the upgrade? The majority of rMBP's don't have a dGPU. They are simply waiting for Intel's Broadwell chips to launch before they go changing the dGPU.
I was about to blast back at him, but you did it for me already, thanks
I think the Iranian chap doesn't know how to configure his settings properly.
No problem
. It just reads like those guys all over the web who like to boast about stuff they pretend to have. By all means critique Apple to your hearts content on this forum, that's what it's all about, hell I'm pretty disappointed the iPhone 6 doesn't have 2GB of RAM personally. But don't go around spreading misinformation. If anyone needs any help and advice when it comes to gaming on the 15" rMBP with the 750M please just message me. Happy to show and explain to you what it's capable of and it's limitations. But I can happily say it's a seriously capable laptop when it comes to gaming, even if it's not a gaming laptop.
This is coming from a guy who's spent a decade building bleeding edge liquid cooled gaming rigs who decided to make the jump to a Mac and hasn't looked back. Sure I can't game at stupid FPS at ultra settings with 8xMSAA on the latest game, but I realised, I don't need to. High settings at a solid FPS and FXAA is more than enough for a great experience.
What really blew me away when I first got this laptop was when I downloaded and played through Crysis again. I saved up £3,300 for a monster gaming rig back when Crysis launched; Intel QX6850, duel 8800 Ultra's in SLI, WD Raptor X HDD's etc. This laptop runs it to about the same FPS which is just utterly incredible... Moore's Law blowing minds since 1965!
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http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Nvidia_graphics_processing_units#GeForce_800M_.288xxM.29_Series
List of Nvidia Mobile GPU's and their relative performance (FLOPS) and TDP.
Remember FLOPS does not equal real world FPS. It just gives a rough idea of performance.
sorry guys but if im wrong just tell me theres no reason to start a fight ...
youre right but you cant deny it apple should have put more graphical power as of 2014 at least 850m i doesnt have higher TDP still disagree?
may be im wrong but i put it on full screen and 1680res gives me black bars that doesnt matter much about fps i guess you turned off vsync
about nationality if you think any nationality is superior to the others then you
wrong seriously i am sure you have never been to iran so its better not to talk about what you dont know well
again i AM sorry if i sounded like i want a fight and for my bad language etc.
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i have enough information about macbook pro retina 15inch man...
its just my opinion yeah its a nice gaming machine but i mean price shouldve been lower a bit..
and about iphone ram 1gb is enough cosidering its IOS & not the badly optimised android(ios is better optimised/higher graphics in games if you have top of the line fevice if im right)
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and about portabality auros X7 is a slim gaming note book(x7pro)
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for bf4 with vsync on and 1080p i get 32-45 sometimes for fps
(in some parts 24-36)
according to this and lots of other bf 4 tests on you tube...
on medium and 1080p it doesnt produce any black bars
:http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PBmyvyM3r_c
may be you have a different machine ? boasting about stuff?
i can post images of my mac frame rates if you dont believe...
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@scolanator
if you want me to do a video i can either ....
if you dont believe u have rmbp i can take pics i have mid-2012 8gb ram gt650m 2.3ghz irvy bridge and mid-2014 16gb/512ssd/gt750m/2.5ghz
lets talk not fight thnx for any friendly-response
youre right but you cant deny it apple should have put more graphical power as of 2014 at least 850m i doesnt have higher TDP still disagree?
may be im wrong but i put it on full screen and 1680res gives me black bars that doesnt matter much about fps i guess you turned off vsync
about nationality if you think any nationality is superior to the others then you
wrong seriously i am sure you have never been to iran so its better not to talk about what you dont know well
again i AM sorry if i sounded like i want a fight and for my bad language etc.
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No problem
But don't go around spreading misinformation. If anyone needs any help and advice when it comes to gaming on the 15" rMBP with the 750M please just message me. Happy to show and explain to you what it's capable of and it's limitations. But I can happily say it's a seriously capable laptop when it comes to gaming, even if it's not a gaming laptop.
This is coming from a guy who's spent a decade building bleeding edge liquid cooled gaming rigs who decided to make the jump to a Mac and hasn't looked back. Sure I can't game at stupid FPS at ultra settings with 8xMSAA on the latest game, but I realised, I don't need to. High settings at a solid FPS and FXAA is more than enough for a great experience.
What really blew me away when I first got this laptop was when I downloaded and played through Crysis again. I saved up £3,300 for a monster gaming rig back when Crysis launched; Intel QX6850, duel 8800 Ultra's in SLI, WD Raptor X HDD's etc. This laptop runs it to about the same FPS which is just utterly incredible... Moore's Law blowing minds since 1965!
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http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Nvidia_graphics_processing_units#GeForce_800M_.288xxM.29_Series
List of Nvidia Mobile GPU's and their relative performance (FLOPS) and TDP.
Remember FLOPS does not equal real world FPS. It just gives a rough idea of performance.
i have enough information about macbook pro retina 15inch man...
its just my opinion yeah its a nice gaming machine but i mean price shouldve been lower a bit..
and about iphone ram 1gb is enough cosidering its IOS & not the badly optimised android(ios is better optimised/higher graphics in games if you have top of the line fevice if im right)
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and about portabality auros X7 is a slim gaming note book(x7pro)
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for bf4 with vsync on and 1080p i get 32-45 sometimes for fps
(in some parts 24-36)
according to this and lots of other bf 4 tests on you tube...
on medium and 1080p it doesnt produce any black bars
:http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PBmyvyM3r_c
may be you have a different machine ? boasting about stuff?
i can post images of my mac frame rates if you dont believe...
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@scolanator
if you want me to do a video i can either ....
if you dont believe u have rmbp i can take pics i have mid-2012 8gb ram gt650m 2.3ghz irvy bridge and mid-2014 16gb/512ssd/gt750m/2.5ghz
lets talk not fight thnx for any friendly-response
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I didn't attack your nationality. This is an internet forum, for one and all, just remember it's an English speaking Apple forum so there's a certain expectation.
The 850M is barely out, Apple haven't had a chance to include it yet and I expect they will when they come to their system refresh. Few manufacturers launch updates the second new silicon hits the market, it usually takes some time.
Apple would only be making a foolish move by updating for Maxwell then 3 months later updating for Broadwell, I for one would be pretty unhappy with that.
The price lower? Mac's are aimed at the upper market. They use machined unibody aluminium chassis rather than cheap plastic molded injection. They use arguably the best displays on the market along with some of the top end components. This all costs money. Apple makes most of it's revenue from hardware. So when you combine some of the highest cost productions for any laptop + upper market segment pricing it isn't that expensive. Also remember there have been two price drops since it launched.
It's like saying BMW's or Rangerovers are expensive. Yes of course they are, they aren't trying to compete with cheap makes, you get what you pay for. Also MacBooks have easily the highest resale value of any laptop.
For me with my student discount + resale value, buying a new Mac isn't all that expensive but I guess we all have different ideas about the value of money.
iOS is a well optimised operating system, but when you can't hold six websites in memory on Safari without having to reload then you do need more RAM. I'm not saying go stupid and pack it, 2GB is still not that much. Apps and web browsing is more demanding than ever, also why build a 64bit OS + SoC if you aren't going to increase the memory?
Why do you have a 2012 and 2014 rMBP? That seems rather odd to me. They are very very similar laptops.
Disable V-Sync for a start, it's only useful if you are consistently getting over 60FPS, otherwise it will have a negative effect on your performance.
Set BF4 to 1680x1050 with all Medium settings and using FXAA with V-Sync disabled, also make sure you have the latest 344.11 Nvidia drivers and your Windows is fully up to date.
I promise you this system is easily capable of playing BF4, you just need to make sure it's configured correctly as well as being fully up to date. Otherwise there is a problem with your system that Apple needs to fix.
Whoa whoa, a 660m is way more powerful than a MacBooks 650m or a 750m lol I'll post some benchmarks of Bioshock.
EDIT: Bioshock Benchmark, Ultra #2 Setting @ 1600x1024
660m @ Core: 1160Mhz and Mem: 2525Mhz
OpenCL Bench:
EDIT: Bioshock Benchmark, Ultra #2 Setting @ 1600x1024
660m @ Core: 1160Mhz and Mem: 2525Mhz
OpenCL Bench:
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what expectaion you mean i guess you mean bad english maybe?
by the way....
wont it cause screen tering(turning vsync off) ...
and the reason i bought 2014 version obvious higher performance better battery life better graphics(main reason) and my 2012 version...
battlefield 4 with vsync on and 900p medium setting with 2012rmbp :fps was 23-25!
i bad throttling and after 2minutes ...
every 3seconds a short stop occors then again and again...
i used lubos and smc fancintrol pram/smc resset which messed up my mac and
after 2years ithought it must be a vood chance to give it a go..
to see if apple solved any problems or still its waste of money
also some users reported battery discharge while plugged in a 2800$(in2012)
discharges battery???
well on my 2014 rmbp when i was playing batman arkham origins my battery was 6percent plugged in after 30minutes i saw that lag (which my 2012rmbphad)
it was a serious nightmare! another 2/5K gone
i looked at the battery it was 0percent i charged the battery (20percent) re-ran the game on medium 1080p with some of setting of (shadows etc..)
it was about 38-60fps with vsync on...
the condition never happened again and i agree its a capable gaming machine even theverge.com (if im correct) ranked it as the third or 4th GAMiNG Laptop!
and about battle field ill try it and let you know
thanks !
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but i am sure you can over clock the 2012rmbp higher than a 660m and gt750m is slightly below 660M but its just ddr3 version the gddr5 version beats 660m by 5-10percent in almost every title according to myself+notebookchek+many other web sites...
may be youre 660m is a magic
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but i am sure you can over clock the 2012rmbp higher than a 660m and gt750m is slightly below 660M but its just ddr3 version the gddr5 version beats 660m by 5-10percent in almost every title according to myself+notebookchek+many other web sites...
may be youre 660m is a magic
by the way....
wont it cause screen tering(turning vsync off) ...
and the reason i bought 2014 version obvious higher performance better battery life better graphics(main reason) and my 2012 version...
battlefield 4 with vsync on and 900p medium setting with 2012rmbp :fps was 23-25!
i bad throttling and after 2minutes ...
every 3seconds a short stop occors then again and again...
i used lubos and smc fancintrol pram/smc resset which messed up my mac and
after 2years ithought it must be a vood chance to give it a go..
to see if apple solved any problems or still its waste of money
also some users reported battery discharge while plugged in a 2800$(in2012)
discharges battery???
well on my 2014 rmbp when i was playing batman arkham origins my battery was 6percent plugged in after 30minutes i saw that lag (which my 2012rmbphad)
it was a serious nightmare! another 2/5K gone
i looked at the battery it was 0percent i charged the battery (20percent) re-ran the game on medium 1080p with some of setting of (shadows etc..)
it was about 38-60fps with vsync on...
the condition never happened again and i agree its a capable gaming machine even theverge.com (if im correct) ranked it as the third or 4th GAMiNG Laptop!
and about battle field ill try it and let you know
thanks !
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for some reason i cant see your pics(maybe cause im using ipad?)
but i am sure you can over clock the 2012rmbp higher than a 660m and gt750m is slightly below 660M but its just ddr3 version the gddr5 version beats 660m by 5-10percent in almost every title according to myself+notebookchek+many other web sites...
may be youre 660m is a magic
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i can run it on ultra and 1600x900(or like that) res.i cant tell you axactly since i no longer have the game but im sure the performance was as same as /on par with your 660M)
but i am sure you can over clock the 2012rmbp higher than a 660m and gt750m is slightly below 660M but its just ddr3 version the gddr5 version beats 660m by 5-10percent in almost every title according to myself+notebookchek+many other web sites...
may be youre 660m is a magic