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750m Throttling, Retina MacBook Pro Late 2013

Show me some 650s with that high of an overclock. Lol mines running fine because I have the proper power adapter and temps never go above 70c

This is a 14inch Asus G46vw. Run luxmark and see what you get, it won't be in the 300s lol
 
i gues youre using SLI but lots of people did and even they didnt face hardware limits but software limit gt650m in the rmbp is actually as same as a 660m
 
I didn't attack your nationality. This is an internet forum, for one and all, just remember it's an English speaking Apple forum so there's a certain expectation. :cool:

The 850M is barely out, Apple haven't had a chance to include it yet and I expect they will when they come to their system refresh. Few manufacturers launch updates the second new silicon hits the market, it usually takes some time.
Apple would only be making a foolish move by updating for Maxwell then 3 months later updating for Broadwell, I for one would be pretty unhappy with that.

The price lower? Mac's are aimed at the upper market. They use machined unibody aluminium chassis rather than cheap plastic molded injection. They use arguably the best displays on the market along with some of the top end components. This all costs money. Apple makes most of it's revenue from hardware. So when you combine some of the highest cost productions for any laptop + upper market segment pricing it isn't that expensive. Also remember there have been two price drops since it launched.
It's like saying BMW's or Rangerovers are expensive. Yes of course they are, they aren't trying to compete with cheap makes, you get what you pay for. Also MacBooks have easily the highest resale value of any laptop.

For me with my student discount + resale value, buying a new Mac isn't all that expensive but I guess we all have different ideas about the value of money.

iOS is a well optimised operating system, but when you can't hold six websites in memory on Safari without having to reload then you do need more RAM. I'm not saying go stupid and pack it, 2GB is still not that much. Apps and web browsing is more demanding than ever, also why build a 64bit OS + SoC if you aren't going to increase the memory?

Why do you have a 2012 and 2014 rMBP? That seems rather odd to me. They are very very similar laptops.

Disable V-Sync for a start, it's only useful if you are consistently getting over 60FPS, otherwise it will have a negative effect on your performance.
Set BF4 to 1680x1050 with all Medium settings and using FXAA with V-Sync disabled, also make sure you have the latest 344.11 Nvidia drivers and your Windows is fully up to date.

I promise you this system is easily capable of playing BF4, you just need to make sure it's configured correctly as well as being fully up to date. Otherwise there is a problem with your system that Apple needs to fix.
considering razer blade 14" is just as same as apple just doesnt have a sh iny apple on it and uses windows it has gtx870M it is both beautiful and p owerfull
here apple feels a bit over priced but I agree with you the reason i but macbook againeven after having throttling problem was design portablity ssd display and MAC os x

about iphone ram:
if apple puts 2gb of ramin iphone 6 and some of its other problems(bending etc.)
what will happen ?
apple wont impress us by introducing iphone 6S/6S + S versions are to solve all of none-S generations before then if theres no problem people wont feel the need to upgrade to an iphone 6S you know higher performanc isnt all people want more and one thing for sure apple wont change main sahpe of iphone 6 .
6S gonnalook simillar or maybe they look alike...
so... apple has t higher the performance and solve some problems its apples buissines as usual...
but as a costumer youre right you dont pay money to get some problems that are not solved and company knows them...

by the way...
do you have any bioshock rel benchmarks( by yourself )not by websites that just review with out updated drivers and crazy resolutions!
 
considering razer blade 14" is just as same as apple just doesnt have a sh iny apple on it and uses windows it has gtx870M it is both beautiful and p owerfull
here apple feels a bit over priced but I agree with you the reason i but macbook againeven after having throttling problem was design portablity ssd display and MAC os x

about iphone ram:
if apple puts 2gb of ramin iphone 6 and some of its other problems(bending etc.)
what will happen ?
apple wont impress us by introducing iphone 6S/6S + S versions are to solve all of none-S generations before then if theres no problem people wont feel the need to upgrade to an iphone 6S you know higher performanc isnt all people want more and one thing for sure apple wont change main sahpe of iphone 6 .
6S gonnalook simillar or maybe they look alike...
so... apple has t higher the performance and solve some problems its apples buissines as usual...
but as a costumer youre right you dont pay money to get some problems that are not solved and company knows them...

by the way...
do you have any bioshock rel benchmarks( by yourself )not by websites that just review with out updated drivers and crazy resolutions!

The Razerblade while a nice laptop is totally different. You are talking about a 17" chassis with a much, much less impressive display. 1920x1080 on a 17" screen versus 2880x1800 on a 15" display. Also I don't think it's a IPS display either, just typical TN which is far less impressive.
The rMBP also has a much faster PCI-e SSD and it's larger as standard.

Not too mention the rMBP is thinner, lighter and more portable.

Higher performance has been the driving force behind such an aggressive upgrade schedule. That and improvements to the camera and cellular connectivity are the main things. Why not include 2GB's of RAM? LPDDR4 is out now, potentially they could have even used that for increased power savings. I'd say a lack of memory is the iPhone 6's greatest performance weakness at the moment at the CPU/GPU easily outstrip anything we can reasonably expect of it.

That bending problem is kind of a load of nonsense. I could bend my 5S if I really tried. Sure they should probably have made it a bit stronger but if you have issues with bent iPhone's then it's probably more a problem with how you are using it. There's a video that's been posted that actually tests properly the structural limit of a number of different phones, while not at the top it didn't do too bad.

Idiots always like to find a way to trash the latest iPhone in order to get views = adrevenue.

Nope haven't played the new Bioshock I'm afraid.
 
looks like your information is outdated check razer zone...
the new blad not the razerblade pro which has worse gpu(yes pro version has 860m but normal version870m)
and has 3200x1800in a 14inch laptop and is about as thin as mac book ...
 
i gues youre using SLI but lots of people did and even they didnt face hardware limits but software limit gt650m in the rmbp is actually as same as a 660m

My laptop has a single 660M, but that is exactly what I was getting at. There are software limits imposed by Apple that really gimp the 650M and the 750M. The 750M is the same card as the 650M with just a higher clock speed. It doesn't perform much better with it gimped by Apple.

A 750m in a windows PC will beat my GTX660M is equiped with GDDR5. Apple does equip theirs with the GDDR5 vRAM but it still slower than usual.

And slower than usual under long term loads... I like to play zombies for 5-6 hours (until I die. lol) and my Macbook can't seem to not throttle 50% of its performance in the first half hour. It's crazy so my macbook (the dGPU model with the 750M 2GB) is now sitting in my closet collecting dust.
 
i bought my 2914rmbp a month ago before that
when i first ran bf4 on my 2012verison i was like what tha hell!!?.
(i had latest drivers win8.1pro so using full potential of my mac)
i usssualy change the setting till it feals comf'teble i first put the res on1080and medium then low it didnt handle it i hardly passed 18-20..
after changing the res to 1600x900 and medium again it was unable to do it and on 1366x768 on medium it had 38-47or loke that fps(vsync on) ...
now on high and 1366x768 on my 2014 version i get playable frame rates and on 1080p and medium i get 27-38(sometimes (barely) 24)
some what i call playable....
and on 900P (1600x900) it never goes below 30fps

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vsync is always on ill turn it off and try how it runs
 
well, I have a mid-2012 rmbp (650m) and I am definitely able to play BF4 on medium settings (1920x1080) with framerate > 50fps (screenshot attached)

apparently the throttling went away with Yosemite (I'm using GM3.0 now)
 

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please send a screen shot of your exact setting so in addition to my 2012rmbp my2014 version is messed up too if youre vsync is on and youre using medium deafult setting and not custome
since theres no apple retail store or like that in iran i have to cry myself and throw my mac into garbage chute

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and if you can ...
please turb on the vsync and try with med full hd setting
i guess it will ruin the performance even if it buffers a frame twice for vsync(not more) it will take your fos down to about 18-22 or like that well thats just my experience
if u dont have my results my mbpr is not working correctly
 
attached the screenshot with vsync on (1920x1080) and a picture of my screen with the video settings

still, completely playable

edit: just saw that vsync was off when I took the screenshot :( sorry
it barely changes the framerate, but I will post a screenshot soon
 

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is the 41 fps for vsync on ?

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i rememmber it wasnt playable on nedium setting and 1080p with vsync on and
why auto?
try medium setting instead
 
i tested it on my 2012 15inch base model rmbp yeah it runs fine with csync it dips below 30 a couple of time but the point you made the screen shot i had between 32-48fps youre right so 2014 is as same as 2012???!!!!!!! confused!!!
 
I let me computer sit at your first screenshot with vSync on at 1080. 60 FPS with a GPU usage of 90% so almost full load. A properly working 750M is just as powerful as a 660M so I'm glad to see your Macbook working perfectly! :) PLus I have 3 monitors connected to my laptop so that could be why my GPU usage is only 90%. These numbers don't mean much as we are just looking at one scene in the game. We need to make a run through and I will make a run through video as a baseline.

vSync on will ONLY limit your FPS to 60 and won't let it go any higher so it doesn't really matter whether it's on or off.

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i tested it on my 2012 15inch base model rmbp yeah it runs fine with csync it dips below 30 a couple of time but the point you made the screen shot i had between 32-48fps youre right so 2014 is as same as 2012???!!!!!!! confused!!!

I said before the 750m is the same as the 650m with just a high slightly higher clock speed.. Both have 384 Cuda Cores.. this shouldn't come as a surprise.


EDIT: Ran from the beginning of the game to the wide open area with the birds.

35-85FPS with >95% GPU Usage.
 
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well well
im thinking about running both my macs at the same time and compare fps mote that when iconect my 212mbpr to charger lags start and make game unplayable(this is bot aproblem with my 2014)
so i will test them both unplugged and tell you the fps difference i am almost sure there must be a difference my 2014 has;;
gt750m 2gb vs gt650m 1gb(in addition to cuda cores this matters)
it has 16vs8gb ram
and it has 2/5up to 3/7ghz vs 2/1(/2i dont remember) up to 2/8 i gues so higher cpu even im using it for 2years with out reapplying thermal pase so for sure it must perform slower than the 2014version by10fps i guess
 
I let me computer sit at your first screenshot with vSync on at 1080. 60 FPS with a GPU usage of 90% so almost full load. A properly working 750M is just as powerful as a 660M so I'm glad to see your Macbook working perfectly! :) PLus I have 3 monitors connected to my laptop so that could be why my GPU usage is only 90%. These numbers don't mean much as we are just looking at one scene in the game. We need to make a run through and I will make a run through video as a baseline.

vSync on will ONLY limit your FPS to 60 and won't let it go any higher so it doesn't really matter whether it's on or off.

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I said before the 750m is the same as the 650m with just a high slightly higher clock speed.. Both have 384 Cuda Cores.. this shouldn't come as a surprise.


EDIT: Ran from the beginning of the game to the wide open area with the birds.

35-85FPS with >95% GPU Usage.

and what was your wxact settingg(with fps) and is it on the 750or650M?
 
and what was your wxact settingg(with fps) and is it on the 750or650M?







A GPU with 384 Cuda Cores.. so A 640LE/650M/750M/660M. I have a 660M that is not gimped. This is going to be for a baseline for a proper performing card that has 384cuda cores and GDDR5 Memory only.. If you have a card that has GDDR3 it is consider a low end card.



I was running with the medium Preset at 1080P.



Low - above 70FPS @ 1080

Medium - Above 35FPS @1080

High - Above 30FPS @1080

Ultra - Above 25FPS @1080
 
google it: gt750m notebookcheck youll see in the first link: gt750m gddr 5 version which my mac has is as same as or mostly exceeds gtx660m also mentions the gddr5 750m rare and now ill run bf 4 to see my results im sure theyre not worse
 
google it: gt750m notebookcheck youll see in the first link: gt750m gddr 5 version which my mac has is as same as or mostly exceeds gtx660m also mentions the gddr5 750m rare and now ill run bf 4 to see my results im sure theyre not worse


Right,I know you have a 750M with GDDR5, I was saying that for everyone else who might be viewing this thread and wonders why thier 650M/750M with GDDR3 is performing worse.

Battlefield Video:

http://youtu.be/xL7AfMNTNsA


EDIT: my GPUz screenshot post yours to compare.

Yd5ZUFa.png
 
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whats your monitoring software?
and what does mem1 mean is the first number for ram abd the second for vram and is the megahertz in furst line for the GPU
thnx for doing the video...
 
whats your monitoring software?
and what does mem1 mean is the first number for ram abd the second for vram and is the megahertz in furst line for the GPU
thnx for doing the video...

I said that I wasn't and I don't want too. I am in the process of selling my rMBP with the 750M. You can see in the GPUz screenshot the card I am using is a GTX660M from an Asus Laptop.


Mem1 is my GPU memory Frequency, which runs as 2500Mhz (Double Data Rate, DDR) So both our GPUs run about 5Ghz effective memory speeds.


This video is for a baseline of a properly performing GK107 Mobile Card with 384 Cuda cores and GDDR5 Mem.
 
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why do you wanna sell it i own the 2014 machine and i have your results (your asus) but if i were you ...
i wouldn't have sold it....
seriously its the best all-round laptop on the market with great battery life hot display excellent design dedicated upper mid range graphics super fast processor(i guess 2.5 up to 3.7 quad core is killer for a laptop
mac os x track pad ...
i mean its the best why are you selling it
if you mainly game on your laptop and don't care about the other things that much then autos x7 pro for the same 2500/2600
gives you GTX970m in SLI!! which means you can beat the desktop GTX980 with 8gb gddr5 memory easily...

and at the same time its thin..
but you know it simply isn't apple (apple like design and os x etc.)

in the end its your choice that was just my opinion good luck
 
why do you wanna sell it i own the 2014 machine and i have your results (your asus) but if i were you ...
i wouldn't have sold it....
seriously its the best all-round laptop on the market with great battery life hot display excellent design dedicated upper mid range graphics super fast processor(i guess 2.5 up to 3.7 quad core is killer for a laptop
mac os x track pad ...
i mean its the best why are you selling it
if you mainly game on your laptop and don't care about the other things that much then autos x7 pro for the same 2500/2600
gives you GTX970m in SLI!! which means you can beat the desktop GTX980 with 8gb gddr5 memory easily...

and at the same time its thin..
but you know it simply isn't apple (apple like design and os x etc.)

in the end its your choice that was just my opinion good luck

You sound like all my friends ;) haha I'm selling it because I do a lot of gaming and virtual machine work and I need a quiet machine that won't throttle or make my legs hot under load. When running 5-6 VM's my Macbook is screaming and starts to lag quite a bit where as my Asus doesn't. I'm not saying it's a bad laptop because it's not at all. The Macbook doesn't fit my usage case very well.

My Asus beats my Macbook performance in synthetic benchmarks, gaming, and VM work. I even use a Thunderbolt display with it. I also like the fact I can use a 980 over thunderbolt if I ever needed too.

Just my 2 cents :) I do like Apple's iPhone though.. I own a 6+ 128GB. Very happy with that at the moment.
 
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