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8-Core Mac Pro In January? Displays Too?
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MacOSXRumors != MacOSRumors
MacOSXRumors, also called MacScoop has had a decent history, including calling the 24" iMac
MacOSRumors, which I think you are getting confused with, just makes things up.
eric_n_dfw
macrumors 68000
From what I can tell, S-PVA relates to viewing angle -- using the 20" monitor example I gave above, the Apple does have a better spec: 175 deg. v's 160 on the Dell. But spend $100 more and get the better Dell model and you get basically the same glass as Apple plus video inputs and PIP capabilities. (not something I particularly care about) And it's still half the price Apple charges.
I've got a Dell 2005FPW 20" display.
The apple displays are much better than the competition, but for that you obviously pay a price.
I've used all the dell's inputs, and to be honest, the S-Video input and Composite inputs and the picture quality is so pathetic they might as well not be there.
Although DVI/VGA is pretty good. I've only ever seen an apple display in an actual apple store, and they do seem brighter and the backlight is much much better, there are no darker spots as there are on the dell.
avkills
macrumors 65816
In regards to Apple displays; you will get a much better color accurate signal using an Apple display as Apple already has the Colorsync profile for them in the system.
But you can still buy a calibrator and calibrate other monitors to look just as good.
I hope the displays come down in price also, as I am considering getting a bigger one (I have a 20" right now). If they have multiple inputs and support HDMI/HDCP then I will probably be sold.
-mark
But you can still buy a calibrator and calibrate other monitors to look just as good.
I hope the displays come down in price also, as I am considering getting a bigger one (I have a 20" right now). If they have multiple inputs and support HDMI/HDCP then I will probably be sold.
-mark
If not at MWSF, 8 core, 50" lcd, FCS 6.0 will be out at NAB this april. Why ? because of "the red one".
paulvee
macrumors 6502
Yes, or you might want to skip the mental illness, piety, shrillness and intellectual fascism in that thread and just buy it when it comes out if you have the money and need it. Life is too short to share in the madness of fools.
Need to buy today - what's the exchange policy for updates again?
I'm sure this question is asked a million other places, and I tried to use the search function, so apologies in advance for failing miserably!
I have to buy a MacPro today (got a grant that has to be spent before 06 is 0ver.)
If I buy today, will I be able to get any upgrade that may happen at Macworld?
Thanks!
I'm sure this question is asked a million other places, and I tried to use the search function, so apologies in advance for failing miserably!
I have to buy a MacPro today (got a grant that has to be spent before 06 is 0ver.)
If I buy today, will I be able to get any upgrade that may happen at Macworld?
Thanks!
guzhogi
macrumors 68040
Well, I have a friend who bought a Power Mac G5 2.5 GHz a week before the 2.7 GHz version was released so he was able to trade up. I don't know where he got it (Apple store or somewhere else), but many retail stores offer something like a 30 day money back guarantee. Ask someone who works @ the store you're going to buy it from.
I will be shocked if Apple doesn't at least announce 8-core Mac Pro systems at MWSF. Such systems from HP and IBM were trickling out of production and they were saying no full production or direct commercial availability until early '07, maybe as late as spring... Then snap! We suddenly have full commercial availability as of about 10 days ago, Dell is shipping them, even the 2.66GHz 120W CPUs are available with the flick of a mouse and click of a button from Dell, HP and several PC vendors now, today. If Apple waits all the way until spring, which would essentially be NAB in mid-April, then they're missing the boat. It's possible they will wait for Stoakley, but if they do that, they may as well wait 2 more months and hold out for the 45nm die shrink.
I'm equating this to the updated Macbook Pro units... No one will know until it happens, perhaps the day before. And there will be far more Doubting Debbies out there than need be. And then when they finally show up, we'll see all the complainers still complaining that it took Apple too long... Just like with the MBP update, too many complainers that it took them too long, even though only a couple PC vendors beat them to market with the 2.16~2.33GHz chips by a matter of about 3 weeks.
I predict 8-core Mac Pro announcement at MWSF and availability anywhere from January 10 to February 15.
...And I should add that since my predictions are usually somewhat wrong, I probably just screwed everyone. 😉
eric_n_dfw
macrumors 68000
I think "much" is a very subjective comment. All of the reviews I've seen (C|Net, Anandtech) show them to be pretty much neck-and-neck. In fact, outside of these forums (and Apple's web site), I really never hear of Apple's monitors being too great.
FWIW, the 20" I have has no dark spots at all.
If Apple wants their displays to make in-roads in the home or big business markets, they need to fight with Dell. (Then again, they may care-less about these markets.)
The 2005FPW from Dell was mediocre at best... The 2007 model is 10X better. I found all the connections on the 2005 model I have to be unusable except for DVI and the colors are so inconsistant I was going to just return it. Then I had an old, crappy 15" LCD monitor in our server room die, so I just put the Dell 20" there. It's been fine for that role and works as a general PC monitor, but ugh...
The 24" and 30" Dell are the two displays that Dell actually approaches with a more "Pro" attituded. I'll put them up against an ACD any day.
using 8 cores
For a demonstration of how 8 cores will be useful immediately:
For a demonstration of how 8 cores will be useful immediately:
- Open Applications >> Utilities >> Activity Monitor
- Click the CPU tab
- Notice all the running processes and how many of them have multiple threads
- More CPU Cores = Less switching of threads = faster
Multimedia
macrumors 603
Dell's Rule But The New CCFL HP LP3065 30" With 3 Dual Link DVI Inputs Beats Dell
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What's HDCP?
I agree Dell is much better value. I have 4 Dells. But the new CCFL HP LP3065 30" is the new champ with 3 Dual Link DVI Inputs for only $1620 at Tiger Direct.
Support for copy protection (generally over a HDMI connector), see http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/High-Bandwidth_Digital_Content_Protection
Multimedia
macrumors 603
So No Stoakley-Seaburg Until Spring?
So you think they will ship the first ones without Stoakley-Seaburg (SS)? That bums me out. I may wait for an SS model in that case.
I'm hoping end of February with SS inside. I'm not complaining it's taking too long. It's Intel that we're waiting for not Apple. So you would buy one without SS on board?
Multimedia
macrumors 603
High-Bandwidth Digital Content Protection
Will this impact HD content playback from our Macs on 30" monitors as well? Doesn't appear to be a problem with an old EyeTV 500 digital tuner.
Thanks a lot. I have never heard of this before and appreciate knowing about it.
Will this impact HD content playback from our Macs on 30" monitors as well? Doesn't appear to be a problem with an old EyeTV 500 digital tuner.
gkarris
macrumors G3
Here we go again, it's different LCD technology. Dell is crap consumer, Apple is pro-media quality...
Here's the thread:
https://forums.macrumors.com/threads/252327/
Thanks, Multimedia, for the clarification; I was beginning to think we were talking about two different things. Having read your post - and the info from gnasher729 - I have clicked the red triangle 🙂 Hope it helps!
Fair play - I just noticed that the original post has been altered to 'Clovertown'. They listened, I just didn't notice :s
AidenShaw
macrumors P6
buy now, don't wait
Note that all those wonderful benchmarks that you've been seeing have been with Blackfords....
Also, be aware that Stoakley-Seaburg will not benefit your Multi-threaded workflows as much as it will help multi-threaded single applications.
The cache snooping is more important for a single multi-threaded process, where threads on all the cores are using the same memory locations.
With multiple application instances on a multi-threaded workflow, there's much less sharing of memory locations, and cache snooping isn't as critical.
I would be surprised if SS makes a difference that you can actually measure for your tasks. A few percent, sure, but think of all the video you can be crunching in the six months or more that you wait for Intel to test and produce the chip, and then wait for Apple to decide to incorporate it into a system.
Yes, I would and I have.
Note that all those wonderful benchmarks that you've been seeing have been with Blackfords....
Also, be aware that Stoakley-Seaburg will not benefit your Multi-threaded workflows as much as it will help multi-threaded single applications.
The cache snooping is more important for a single multi-threaded process, where threads on all the cores are using the same memory locations.
With multiple application instances on a multi-threaded workflow, there's much less sharing of memory locations, and cache snooping isn't as critical.
I would be surprised if SS makes a difference that you can actually measure for your tasks. A few percent, sure, but think of all the video you can be crunching in the six months or more that you wait for Intel to test and produce the chip, and then wait for Apple to decide to incorporate it into a system.
dkoralek
macrumors 6502
I believe that this is correct. If I read the information about EyeTV correctly, they will only allow the display of HDTV from two sources, overair digital HDTV signals and unencrypted HDTV signals from digital cable. The unencrypted signals will usually be broadcast channels that are carried by your cable provider. Not all cable/sat providers will leave them unencrypted. There are filters, I believe, that will unencrypt the signal. As I read information about HDCP, I believe that every device on the chain must have electonics for HDCP. That is, an HDCP compatible monintor with eyetv won't help you because the eyetv (which is doing the conversion work for the signal) won't have HDCP decoding onboard. (which would mean that you have to have a splitter (or two dvi or hdmi inputs) to the monitor (and would mean that you wouldn't be able to record the encrypted hdtv signal on your mac.
cheers.
dkoralek has it right. It is for sold digital content (e.g. HD-DVD, Blueray) and encrypted HDTV. If copy protection on the device is turned on, then a non-HDCP compatible monitor will not get full resolution. Do a google on HDCP and Vista for a lot of horrible scenarios.
Porchland
macrumors 65816
The rumors seem a little paltry this time around. We're a week from Macworld, and there's been almost no talk of:
* November rumors that The Beatles may be coming to iTMS;
* feature rumors for iLife '07;
* whether iTMS will add another studio for movie downloads;
* whether iTMS may add a TV Show subscription model to complement iTV;
* a leaked name for the iPhone and whether it will be an MVNO, unlocked handset or available only through one or a few carriers;
* whether the true iPod video will finally arrive.
Where's the rumors?
* November rumors that The Beatles may be coming to iTMS;
* feature rumors for iLife '07;
* whether iTMS will add another studio for movie downloads;
* whether iTMS may add a TV Show subscription model to complement iTV;
* a leaked name for the iPhone and whether it will be an MVNO, unlocked handset or available only through one or a few carriers;
* whether the true iPod video will finally arrive.
Where's the rumors?
vendettabass
macrumors 6502a
I don't know what Apple is going to do... But we won't see SS until NAB at the earliest. SS chipsets won't ship to OEMs until late February at the earliest, and that means PC mainboards based on the new platform will hit stores around late March.
OTOH, I'm somewhat doubtful that Apple will want to release an 8-core Mac Pro at MWSF just because they can (as Dell and everyone else is doing) and then release an updated model less than 4 months down the road. ...Not Apple's style.
I'll buy the 8-core sometime this spring as I start a couple new projects I'm currently preparing for. Hopefully timing will work out and I can get an SS based system sometime in April (I think my buying window is going to late March to mid April). So I'll get whatever is available and it's starting to look like I'll need 2 of them. 😀