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....and yet how many US carriers utilize wideband audio tech seen in iPHone 5??

That's a rather ethnocentric view, no (assuming you're from the U.S., otherwise a US-centric view)? 20 carriers NOT in the U.S. are supporting it.

The Sybase survey quoted in the NFC argument was a survey of mobile execs at the Mobile World Congress 2012 in Barcelona. I imagine there are some worldwide views in those results, not just American.
 
More to the point, NFC is being slowly adopted. Why put in technology to use NFC when the NFC standard could change in the next year, obsoleting it? The investment-reward equation doesn't favor Apple in this case at all, especially considering this article that states "Less than 10 percent of [mobile executives] think NFC mobile payments will become main stream within the next year", with 81% thinking it will be 2-5 years before NFC becomes a "driver of widespread adoption of mobile payments" I.e., it will be 2014, '15, '16, '17, or '18 before NFC is the reason people can pay with their phone.

Again with the payments. There are tons of other things it can do besides payments. Please research those things. It was beat to death in another thread.

Is this really your argument? Has this stopped Dropbox from becoming a $4 billion-valued company? No. Will it stop Apple users from using iCloud instead of across the board wanting removable storage?

No.

Actually it is my argument. Why would I want to wait for something to download when I could have it stored locally and access it anytime, with no data use? How about when on a flight? Access to my movies that are local instead of in the cloud. How about access to my music? Before you go there, a small percentage of planes have wifi and most of those that do charge a CRAZY sum to access it. How about in areas with little or no connectivity like trains or boats or deep in a factory setting where cell signals don't reach? Many companies do not offer open wifi. Do you store your apps in the cloud and only download them when you want to use them? Seems silly to me. iTunes match is the suck also. I even paid for it and still hate it. I'm not the only one with the issues either. Check the Apple support boards. Click a song, it plays the wrong song...IF it plays a song at all. I am sorry YOU don't want extra storage but I, and many others, would like a device with more storage. Personally I would like the device to be able to grow with my use.


My 4-year old Samsung TV doesn't come with the DLNA standard required. In fact, per this forum, it appears DLNA was only included for mostly 40" televisions and larger. Not sure how accurate that is now, but unfortunate for me.

Good thing I can spend $100 for an Apple TV that lets me Airplay.. and watch Netflix, Hulu, and MLB.tv.. and access my iTunes library on my network.

And I bet that is super convenient to drag to the hotel rooms and over to the parents house and unplug it from your tv to carry it around in case you want to ever use it. Would be much easier to just have a cord in a camera bag or whatever. I have 2 Apple TV's so don't paint me like I am a basher. I drag mine to hotels and to the camper and so on and it's a pain in the ass compared to my friends that just carry a cord.

From your viewpoints shared, you probably don't have extensive first-hand experience with Siri. Neither do I, but my fiance does, and so do my co-workers, who all claim Siri works fine. But don't just take my limited gathered feedback: take this report, that states Siri "understood approximately 89 percent of his questions in the quiet room and 83 percent of his questions in the louder environment".

89, 83 > 10.

Actually I try to use Siri all the time for texting. In my experience, it sucks if not on wifi. Do I have to make a video to prove it? Sheesh. How extensive does my experience have to be to know that the little purple dots flash a few times and the nothing happens. How extensive does it have to be to understand when it says "I am sorry, I can not complete your request at this time."?


Which is exactly what Apple DOESN'T do. Good try, though.

Really? That's your argument? Battery tech improves all the time. You don't think it might have been better to leave it the same thickness as the 4S and get a bigger battery rather than upping it by a paltry .15 watt-hours? I am not a proponent of having a removable battery so you can carry a spare. Not at all. That would just be a pain. But a longer lasting battery would be great.
 
That's a rather ethnocentric view, no (assuming you're from the U.S., otherwise a US-centric view)? 20 carriers NOT in the U.S. are supporting it.

The Sybase survey quoted in the NFC argument was a survey of mobile execs at the Mobile World Congress 2012 in Barcelona. I imagine there are some worldwide views in those results, not just American.


The correct answer is 0%, nada. Not a single US carrier supports it.

My point is when people say "NFC is useless, less than 10% yada yada yada". Well Apple stuck a tech in a phone that is for all intensive purposes is useless to their largest market (US) and utilized in less than 10% of all wireless carriers (all in Europe).
 
The Press Simply Hates Apple

Anyway they can, they will try to disrupt everything. Case in point is the AntennaGate issue. That was ridiculous how they blew that up. It was like we invaded Iraq for a 3rd time.
 

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Apple is actually very well liked. By everyone? Of course not! Remember that they too have personal preferences, and write about Pro's & Cons. Every manufacturer gets some negative reviews, there's no perfect device.
 
Why are you so mad and why should we care?

And I completely disagree. The press generally loves Apple/iphone news. Just because you saw one article that probably accurately described some limitations of the iphone you think the press hates Apple?
 
Anyway they can, they will try to disrupt everything. Case in point is the AntennaGate issue. That was ridiculous how they blew that up. It was like we invaded Iraq for a 3rd time.


I wouldn't call Antenna gate overblown. It sure as hell didn't help when the response to it by the CEO was, "You're holding it wrong" and the proceeded to hand out rubberbands to make up for the crap design.
 
Ya, but now it is front page on Yahoo for everyone to see. It's one thing for an article to be hovering around the net, another for it to be on the front page of one of the most read websites.

It was a headline when that thread was made. Also broad allegations against "the media" are silly.
 
I think the NFC function is necessary. Will we get it in the next generation?

Necessary in what way? It may become necessary in the way LTE has but that is something that will happen over time. LTE was a thing when iP4S came out but it wasn't such a big deal that the phone couldn't thrive without it.
 
Again with the payments. There are tons of other things it can do besides payments. Please research those things. It was beat to death in another thread.

Bluetooth and QR codes can currently do most of these things already. Sure, NFC may do things in a simpler and easier way, but the use cases of NFC outside of mobile payment is small and not widespread anyway. So the argument still applies, just without a survey backing it. Find evidence otherwise and I'll retract.


Actually it is my argument. Why would I want to wait for something to download when I could have it stored locally and access it anytime, with no data use? How about when on a flight? Access to my movies that are local instead of in the cloud. How about access to my music? Before you go there, a small percentage of planes have wifi and most of those that do charge a CRAZY sum to access it. How about in areas with little or no connectivity like trains or boats or deep in a factory setting where cell signals don't reach? Many companies do not offer open wifi. Do you store your apps in the cloud and only download them when you want to use them? Seems silly to me. iTunes match is the suck also. I even paid for it and still hate it. I'm not the only one with the issues either. Check the Apple support boards. Click a song, it plays the wrong song...IF it plays a song at all. I am sorry YOU don't want extra storage but I, and many others, would like a device with more storage. Personally I would like the device to be able to grow with my use.

This argument is valid, but goes against the movement of the entire industry. Your example cases are also a bit of a stretch - if you intend on going on a flight, train ride, or long drive, you'll most likely have your computer with you where you can store all that media. If you're traveling without a computer, I can't imagine why you would need more than 64 GB worth of media to entertain you.

Other areas with little to no connectivity hold a legit argument but, again, more than 64 GB worth? I can't imagine that's a popular enough request that it would warrant Apple making space in their phones for additional storage option.

As for iTunes Match, you're right, it's not perfect. But as a user of it myself, I've experienced the issues you described one time - not nearly enough of an issue to consider it when making a decision like this.

A device to grow with? If you need more than 64 GB of onboard, every day storage to grow with, you need more than a phone in my opinion.

And I bet that is super convenient to drag to the hotel rooms and over to the parents house and unplug it from your tv to carry it around in case you want to ever use it. Would be much easier to just have a cord in a camera bag or whatever. I have 2 Apple TV's so don't paint me like I am a basher. I drag mine to hotels and to the camper and so on and it's a pain in the ass compared to my friends that just carry a cord.

Yes, cause hotels have TVs with the DLNA standard that my 4 year old flat-screen does not. And let's be honest. Two years ago, the size of the Apple TV was the selling point. You're telling me a 5"x5"x2" (guessing) black box with two cords (HDMI, power supply) is such a hassle to carry to GUARANTEE any HDMI TV can be Airplay'd to, versus hoping the TV/DVD/Blu-ray player has the DLNA standard?

Actually I try to use Siri all the time for texting. In my experience, it sucks if not on wifi. Do I have to make a video to prove it? Sheesh. How extensive does my experience have to be to know that the little purple dots flash a few times and the nothing happens. How extensive does it have to be to understand when it says "I am sorry, I can not complete your request at this time."?

If it sucks when not on wifi, sounds like a carrier/signal issue. Not an iPhone problem.


Really? That's your argument? Battery tech improves all the time. You don't think it might have been better to leave it the same thickness as the 4S and get a bigger battery rather than upping it by a paltry .15 watt-hours? I am not a proponent of having a removable battery so you can carry a spare. Not at all. That would just be a pain. But a longer lasting battery would be great.

Apple DID improve battery life. Incrementally, but improved nonetheless.

I'm curious though, how often does your iPhone 4S die? My iPhone 4 lasts all day on average use. Streaming Spotify, emails, playing games, notifications lighting my phone up all day, and I still go to bed with 30% battery life left. And my battery is over 2 years old at that. Granted, I'm one use case, but I can't imagine your want for a better battery life is on the behalf of the majority of iPhone users, but more for your own reasons.
 
The correct answer is 0%, nada. Not a single US carrier supports it.

My point is when people say "NFC is useless, less than 10% yada yada yada". Well Apple stuck a tech in a phone that is for all intensive purposes is useless to their largest market (US) and utilized in less than 10% of all wireless carriers (all in Europe).

You're right, and I won't argue that point. I'm not an engineer either, but I'd imagine that adjusting an existing cellular technology to fit wideband audio codec requires less work than fitting NFC technology into the iPhone, and yields a reward in a respectable portion of their market. I could be wrong, but all things equal, I would think the investment - reward equation favors Apple's wideband audio decision at this point in the game than going with NFC at this point in its game.
 
You're right, and I won't argue that point. I'm not an engineer either, but I'd imagine that adjusting an existing cellular technology to fit wideband audio codec requires less work than fitting NFC technology into the iPhone, and yields a reward in a respectable portion of their market. I could be wrong, but all things equal, I would think the investment - reward equation favors Apple's wideband audio decision at this point in the game than going with NFC at this point in its game.



So you think modifying an entire wireless network is easier than throwing a chip in a phone?
 
When will people realize that external storage in phones absolutely sucks rhino dung? It's slow and terribly unreliable. I wouldn't use it if available anyway, and those that did would quickly come to the same conclusion. IDK why these tech journalists tout this as a missing feature - instead it does us all a favor by not being there to begin with.
 
I find that apple fans don't blog all day about it. But apple haters are a bit more vocal about it.

The iphone is still the champ, so by human nature, people like to root for the underdogs.

It would have been tough to be a Boston celtics fan when they won 8 straight championships......
 
So you think modifying an entire wireless network is easier than throwing a chip in a phone?

I believe Apple's calculated the investment-reward and realized a technology that will improve call quality (a complaint iPhone users have had for far longer than anyone's said "I wish my phone could share my cat video quicker than Bluetooth") would yield more reward at this point than including NFC.
 
Tomorrow every national newscast will open with a bit about Apple regarding the historic stock price. The news doesn't hate Apple, they simply go with the flow of sentiment that will net them the largest viewership/page views.
 
I wouldn't call Antenna gate overblown. It sure as hell didn't help when the response to it by the CEO was, "You're holding it wrong" and the proceeded to hand out rubberbands to make up for the crap design.

yes...antennagate WAS completely overblown..


the fact that apple didnt get mass returns based on this "defect" says something about how much of an issue it was


I and millions of others are using our iPhone 4 from "antenna gate" and have yet to cut off a connection due to "holding it wrong"


the media will latch onto whatever they can to make a story...and this was a NONstory..but apparently some people thought it was true..see quote
 
yes...antennagate WAS completely overblown..


the fact that apple didnt get mass returns based on this "defect" says something about how much of an issue it was


I and millions of others are using our iPhone 4 from "antenna gate" and have yet to cut off a connection due to "holding it wrong"


the media will latch onto whatever they can to make a story...and this was a NONstory..but apparently some people thought it was true..see quote
The iPhone 4 has a significantly weaker antenna than the 4S. Compare the 2 phones and you will realize that the iPhone 4 really has some problem in the antenna design.
 
Yahoo is a failing company. Everyone knows that.

The solution to this problem, is not to read it anymore.
 
i just said im using an iPhone 4....and it works FINE


antennagate was way overblown...

i already stated the facts above
 
yes...antennagate WAS completely overblown..


the fact that apple didnt get mass returns based on this "defect" says something about how much of an issue it was


I and millions of others are using our iPhone 4 from "antenna gate" and have yet to cut off a connection due to "holding it wrong"


the media will latch onto whatever they can to make a story...and this was a NONstory..but apparently some people thought it was true..see quote
And yet, some people are so blind as to think it wasn't an issue because their phone wasn't affected. My phone does drop signals if the phone is held without my case. That's why my free case I got from Apple is on 24/7... Apple wouldn't have given away free cases if it was a NONstory.

Where do my facts come from? My iPhone 4 in front of me.
 
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