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I thought the Pencil 1 charging method was a clever solution to not requiring a cable, but people didn't like it or the chances of losing the cap.

Not only didn't like it, it was massively ridiculed here in true MacRumors fashion. Even years later, and as recently as last week.
 
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Why would they remove pressure sensitivity from it? That seems like such a step backward

Because many people (other than artists, illustrators, etc.) don't need pressure sensitivity.

Especially in business disciplines when an employee is filling out forms, making notes, checking checkboxes, etc. A lot of businesses use tablets for such things.

Removing that feature resulted in a substantial 20% decrease in price.

Choice is good. But sadly results in massive whines when Apple offers options such as that. Just because it's an opportunity to take a swing at Apple. Even though most of those people have never used a stylus and shouldn't care.

And then you have a ton of Steve Jobs worship because he was against using styli on phones.
 
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I've already addressed this in previous posts.
Actually you didn't. No where does Apple say this geared for people who use certain business applications. Tim Cook and Apple do not release something cheaper than similar products out of the goodness of their hearts so people can save money. You have to realize this is the same company that sold nearly 5 year computer hardware for the exact same price as the day it was released. I'm not hear to vilify apple for doing the one thing they do best... Make money... I am a shareholder and am happy they are making more hardware to sell But I also am not delusional and not see this as what it is. A simple cash grap that people most certainly will buy even though the product itself makes no sense.
 
Actually you didn't. No where does Apple say this geared for people who use certain business applications. Tim Cook and Apple do not release something cheaper than similar products out of the goodness of their hearts so people can save money. You have to realize this is the same company that sold nearly 5 year computer hardware for the exact same price as the day it was released. I'm not hear to vilify apple for doing the one thing they do best... Make money... I am a shareholder and am happy they are making more hardware to sell But I also am not delusional and not see this as what it is. A simple cash grap that people most certainly will buy even though the product itself makes no sense.

I never said they did. I thought most people would already understand that tablets are frequently used in various aspects in business and that pressure sensitivity isn't needed for filling out forms, taking notes, checking check boxes, etc - similar to a MR contributor who is a CSI.

It's needed for artists, illustrators, etc, such as my wife who has a large iPad, Pencil, and loads of paintings and illustrations. I asked her if she's upset that Apple offered an additional Pencil without pressure sensitivity. Her response was, "Why in the world would I care or be upset?"

I suspect you must use an iPad and Pencil because you feel strongly about Apple offering an additional Pencil. How is Apple adding another Pencil affecting you?
 
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Because many people (other than artists, illustrators, etc.) don't need pressure sensitivity.

Especially in business disciplines when an employee is filling out forms, making notes, checking checkboxes, etc. A lot of businesses use tablets for such things.

Removing that feature resulted in a substantial 20% decrease in price.

Choice is good. But sadly results in massive whines when Apple offers options such as that. Just because it's an opportunity to take a swing at Apple. Even though most of those people have never used a stylus and shouldn't care.

And then you have a ton of Steve Jobs worship because he was against using styli on phones.
You do realize most apps and perhaps Apple OS level have the option to turn off pressure support through a software means so I promise you. They didn't make a whole new pencil just so a few business people can not have pressure sensitivity.
 
I never said they did. I thought most people would already understand that tablets are frequently used in various aspects in business and that pressure sensitivity isn't needed for filling out forms, taking notes, checking check boxes, etc - similar to a MR contributor who is a CSI.

It's needed for artists, illustrators, etc, such as my wife who has a large iPad, Pencil, and loads of paintings and illustrations.
Which could easily be done on the OS or software level without making a whole new product.
 
You do realize most apps and perhaps Apple OS level have the option to turn off pressure support through a software means so I promise you. They didn't make a whole new pencil just so a few business people can not have pressure sensitivity.

And you do realize that people who don't need it can now purchase a Pencil for 20% less.
 
Why does Apple creating an additional Pencil at a 20% discount make you so upset?

You must already be a Pencil user, so please elaborate why that is.

What's a real knee-slapper, is that if you're an artist/illustrator/animator/etc. and really need pressure sensitivity, simply pay the extra $20. It isn't going away.

Easy.

Choice is good.
 
I didn’t realize it was shorter than the Pencil 2. Seems perfect for use along with an iPhone…
 
You are right and I was wrong. I guess I forgot to drink my apple Kool-Aid today. All hail the apple overlord!🛐🩱
Why are you bothered that Apple released another, cheap pencil for people who aren't doing graphics? It appears that by dropping pressure sensitivity, they were able to lower the price by 20%. That sounds like a good thing for people who don't need that feature. The ones who just use it for notes, simple drawings, or tapping on buttons.

They still sell the Pencil 2 for those that need pressure sensitivity.

You can drink all the kool-aid you want but it isn't going to change that this pencil is obviously not for you.
 
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I feel like Apple released this just for the sake of it. Rumors were for a new iPad but they didn't and instead forcefully added this pencil with USB-C. I think the same for the Airpods Pro 2 with USB-C too.
 
to me its clear that there's gonna be an Apple Pencil pro, $199

which incorporates all the features of the pencil 2 + whatever the new pro features will have. at the same time, the pencil2 will be discontinued once the pro launches.

otherwise offering this "new" pencil which is simply a downgrade to the pencil 2, and arguably the pencil 1 makes no sense at all
 
The only point in this product is the one at the end of it.

I’d pay a lot for an Apple pencil where the double tap is accurate or there is a physical switch-tools button.
 
Because many people (other than artists, illustrators, etc.) don't need pressure sensitivity.

Especially in business disciplines when an employee is filling out forms, making notes, checking checkboxes, etc. A lot of businesses use tablets for such things.

Removing that feature resulted in a substantial 20% decrease in price.

Choice is good. But sadly results in massive whines when Apple offers options such as that. Just because it's an opportunity to take a swing at Apple. Even though most of those people have never used a stylus and shouldn't care.

And then you have a ton of Steve Jobs worship because he was against using styli on phones.
Substantial decrease in price? In relation to what, the other Pencils in the lineup that are already way over-priced?

$79 for this basic, feature-ridden stylus is incredibly low value/$. That's all we're pointing out.

It's a low-end option that only serves to get Apple aggressively high profit margins if you buy it.

And if you don't, then it'll push you to get the $129 Pencil and an iPad Air or Pro because you grasp how little you can actually do with the $79 Pencil.

All this product aggressive product segmentation doesn't lead to better products. It just gives us more and more over-priced mid and low-end options.
 
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Substantial decrease in price? In relation to what, the other Pencils in the lineup that are already way over-priced?

$79 for this basic, feature-ridden stylus is incredibly low value/$. That's all we're pointing out.

It's a low-end option that only serves to get Apple aggressively high profit margins if you buy it.

And if you don't, then it'll push you to get the $129 Pencil and an iPad Air or Pro because you grasp how little you can actually do with the $79 Pencil.

All this product aggressive product segmentation doesn't lead to better products. It just gives us more and more over-priced mid and low-end options.

In relationship to the $99 Apple Pencil. Of course. How could a decrease in price mean anything else?

I do understand that you believe choice is bad for the many Apple customers who don't need pressure sensitivity and therefore should be forced to pay 25% extra for a more expensive Pencil.
 
If you need pressure then you get the Pencil 2, not the low end iPad and low end Pencil. For someone just taking notes, doing simple drawings, or tapping on buttons, pressure sensitivity is not needed. People have different needs and different budgets.

But if you DON'T need pressure, the Chinese knockoffs are actually better value, because they're not only cheaper, but also as responsive and hold the charger for longer, and a single charge lasts more. Hence the poor value of this pencil.
 
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