82% of Teens Surveyed Now Own an iPhone, 84% Plan to Purchase

[BlargKing]

You can look at the numbers of infected users from each attack. Some of them, like WannaCry, were hardly even the users' fault (vulnerability in SMP). You don't have to worry about that on macOS, nor do you ever think about drivers or really anything technical. I'm not talking about computer-illiterate people, just average young people. It's not so much that they can't figure it out but that they rather wouldn't.

For people like my grandma who can hardly use a computer, switching her from Windows to Mac definitely helped her.

Please then, provide me an example of a task thats easier on a Mac than a PC.
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Oh yeah... and no matter what nice specs a Windows laptop has, you're probably gonna have to live with a garbage-tier trackpad and a worse display the whole time. That matters way more than i5-5xxx vs i7-7xxx for most people.

Hate to break it to you, there are a ton of PC laptops with excellent displays now a days, most of which are still cheaper than a MacBook. A few years ago, yeah not a lot of PC laptops had excellent displays, but I know of a few sub-2000$ PC laptops with extremely nice displays and better specs than a MacBook.

As for the trackpad, its a mixed bag, but I substantially doubt any power user will be using a trackpad for anything. Even when I owned a MacBook Pro, the trackpad was massively inferior to using a 15$ mouse.
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I've got both PCs and Macs in my office environment. The Macs require no maintenance and last for years and years. The PCs cost not much less (over $1,000 each), start to fail in their second year, and require technical support frequently, used to require paid OS upgrade (I've still got people using Windows 7!) and no one likes them because the employees almost all use Macs at home. If I can avoid it, I'm never setting up a company to support PCs again.

Some PCs are junk, its true. Careful consideration and looking at reviews and feedback greatly negates that. I've been running the same PC I built for 4 years without a single hardware failure, its not terribly difficult to keep a PC running smoothly.

 

[sumsingwong]

This is no different than the Blackberry fad and look where they are now. Every teen wanted to be with the in crowd using Blackberry Messenger. If you didn’t have a PIN to share, you were shunned.

 

[fairuz]

Please then, provide me an example of a task thats easier on a Mac than a PC.

Updating the OS, installing anything, setting up email accounts, setting up notifications from social media, basic tools for computer science class (including a terminal), bookkeeping stuff like calendar and contacts (!), playing video files, saving passwords, opening a zip file or disk image, backups (Time Machine). Network, audio, shortcuts, and most other settings are also easier to manage in Sysprefs. There's a reason everyone in college uses one.

Hate to break it to you, there are a ton of PC laptops with excellent displays now a days, most of which are still cheaper than a MacBook. A few years ago, yeah not a lot of PC laptops had excellent displays, but I know of a few sub-2000$ PC laptops with extremely nice displays and better specs than a MacBook.

As for the trackpad, its a mixed bag, but I substantially doubt any power user will be using a trackpad for anything. Even when I owned a MacBook Pro, the trackpad was massively inferior to using a 15$ mouse.

The displays have improved to follow the rMBP, but they're still worse all around. Hard to find one that has the right color and everything. Apps tend to support scaling less properly in Windows too.

IDK, I typically use a trackpad at work while coding. It's closer to my keyboard than my mouse is. But I guarantee most laptop users don't have a mouse.

 

[Michael Scrip]

Updating the OS, setting up email accounts, setting up notifications from social media, basic tools for computer science class (including a terminal), calendar (!), opening a zip file or disk image. Network, audio, shortcuts, and most other settings are also easier to manage in Sysprefs. There's a reason everyone in college uses one.

And then after college... they use Windows PCs.

That must be how there are 1.5 billion Windows PCs out in the world... but only 100 million Macs.

 

[fairuz]

And then after college... they use Windows PCs.

That must be how there are 1.5 billion Windows PCs out in the world... but only 100 million Macs.

Well they're cheap for offices and still have lots of integration with things corps have already invested in. I reckon Windows is losing both those battles to Google now, though.

 

[Gameboy70]

Why leave out seniors? They love their iPhones just as much. Is it because they're not considered cool enough for marketing?

They're largely retirees on fixed incomes, and aren't into the buying the latest crap just because it's cool. Too sensible to be a lucrative demographic.

 

[DevNull0]

They're largely retirees on fixed incomes, and aren't into the buying the latest crap just because it's cool. Too sensible to be a lucrative demographic.

What do you think "fixed income" means? Most people I know are on fixed incomes. I make pretty good money, but my salary is a certain fixed amount I receive every 2 weeks from my employer. How is that any less a fixed income than a monthly pension cheque and earnings on retirement savings?
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The displays have improved to follow the rMBP, but they're still worse all around. Hard to find one that has the right color and everything. Apps tend to support scaling less properly in Windows too.

You really need to take a look around once in a while. Apple was left in the dust years ago for laptop displays. "Retina" is pathetically low res. 4k has been commonplace on laptops much cheaper than Apples for at least 4 years. Sub $1500 laptops have gorgeous IPS panels that put Apple to shame if you look at them side by side in the store, and you have a choice of matte or glossy.

I just had a quick look at best buy, and $1200 gets you a 15.6" 4k IPS laptop, 16 gig of ram, 512 gig SSD, a quad core i7, and a GTX 1050.

It is a Lenovo, it's 0.8" thick and weighs 4.41 pounds, and it a USB-C port as well as 2 USB-3 ports and a thunderbolt port.

It really is pathetic what Apple gives you for double or even triple the money.

Once your PC gets a bit closer to Apple's pricing, they really get amazing.

 

[Gameboy70]

What do you think "fixed income" means? Most people I know are on fixed incomes. I make pretty good money, but my salary is a certain fixed amount I receive every 2 weeks from my employer. How is that any less a fixed income than a monthly pension cheque and earnings on retirement savings?

I define it as income derived exclusively from earnings on retirement savings. When your incomes is derived primarily from your employment, a $700 phone splurge is easily replenished, but when you draw $700 from your savings, you're reducing the principle on the only earnings you're going to get going forward—unless you retire from retirement.

That's what fixed income means.

 

[Packers1958]

I can understand why Rolex is still the most popular amongst teens as you can buy them for $100 on just about every street corner in NYC.

 

[mi7chy]

I miss Hangouts. Sadly, everyone I know has left it for WhatsApp . Hangouts is great though I wonder when Google will shut it down.

Hangouts app might change name but the underlying technology and infrastructure won't go anywhere since it also powers Google Fi service, Google Home free voice calling, etc. Plus, they probably hold the patent on SMS/MMS/messaging cloud sync since they've had it for nearly a decade and probably the hold up for iMessage not getting it.

 

[DevNull0]

I define it as income derived exclusively from earnings on retirement savings. When your incomes is derived primarily from your employment, a $700 phone splurge is easily replenished, but when you draw $700 from your savings, you're reducing the principle on the only earnings you're going to get going forward—unless you retire from retirement.

That's what fixed income means.

Why does deriving income from earnings on retirement savings make it fixed income? Most people have at least part of their retirement money in mutual funds, so their income in quite variable. Even if people are entirely in interest bearing accounts, the interest rate is variable and so their income is also variable. You don't withdraw $700 from principle to spend $700, the money is generating income and you are spending that income without depleting the principal. Or more realistically you're depleting the principal at a carefully calculated rate so it will outlast you.

On the other hand someone who's income is entirely derived from employment will have a very fixed income, your pay isn't going to fluctuate with interest rates or the stock market. Unless of course you lose your job in a downturn, though that hardly helps you afford an iPhone.

So how is deriving income from retirement savings "fixed income" while working for a paycheque is not?

I also don't see what deriving your income entirely from employment has to do with what you can afford. I know plenty of retired people with 6-figure household incomes and their home owned free and clear. They travel a lot and will drop $700 on a weekend's entertainment let alone a phone. I also know plenty of working people making $50k/year and struggling to pay for a rental apartment.

 

[curtvaughan]

They're largely retirees on fixed incomes, and aren't into the buying the latest crap just because it's cool. Too sensible to be a lucrative demographic.

Yeah, I guess I qualify as a "grandpa" since I am one - also a retired analyst in the computer industry. I have an iPhone 6S+ with a headphone jack - nice phone; an LG V20 with removable battery, headphone jack, and great 4 channel DAC audio system; a 3-month old iMac which I bought rather than a top-line Linux PC since I have a wife who likes and is used to Mac OS, and with which I can attach musical devices like LP converters easily; and I have 3 PC laptops, all running flavors of Linux, which work very well for my "techie" needs. Don't buy things to be "cool", as I haven't qualified as cool since turning 40 in 1992 - I buy stuff that works well and is cost efficient for money paid. As for teenagers with iPhones, only kids with upper income parents who can afford to spend $800 or more for phones for their children will sport such devices.

Almost forgot, also have an MBP (1,1) which I bought in 2006 that Apple no longer supports, so is running Linux Mint quite well. I keep it around to remind me of Steve Jobs, somehow.

 

[fairuz]

You really need to take a look around once in a while. Apple was left in the dust years ago for laptop displays. "Retina" is pathetically low res. 4k has been commonplace on laptops much cheaper than Apples for at least 4 years. Sub $1500 laptops has gorgeous IPS panels that put Apple to shame if you look at them side by side in the store, and you have a choice of matte or glossy.

I just had a quick look at best buy, and $1200 gets you a 15.6" 4k IPS laptop, 16 gig of ram, 512 gig SSD, a quad core i7, and a GTX 1050.

It is a Lenova, it's 0.8" thick and weighs 4.41 pounds, and it a USB-C port as well as 2 USB-3 ports and a thunderbolt port.

It really is pathetic what Apple gives you for double or even triple the money.

Once your PC gets a bit closer to Apple's pricing, they really get amazing.

I do look around and have yet to see one that looks better. More pixels doesn't mean much when the rMBP already has more than you can discern (somewhere between 2K and 4K res). Do the color and backlight look right in real life? Lenovo especially is known for selling BS (along with HP), so I'd expect the display to have weird colors or uneven backlighting, unless the trackpad or cooling sucks so bad that it doesn't matter. Dell and others are generally ok, but I still haven't seen anything match the MBP.

 

[curtvaughan]

I do look around and have yet to see one that looks better. More pixels doesn't mean much when the rMBP already has more than you can discern (somewhere between 2K and 4K res). Do the color and backlight look right in real life? Lenovo especially is known for selling BS (along with HP), so I'd expect the display to have weird colors or uneven backlighting, unless the trackpad or cooling sucks so bad that it doesn't matter. Dell and others are generally ok, but I still haven't seen anything match the MBP.

Have an HP Omen laptop, about 18 months old - i7 sixth gen - which was marketed as a Windows gaming machine and cost around $1300. It's now double booted with Mint and ArcoLinux, systems on SSD and data (home) directories on a 2 TB HDD. Just got finished watching the Paris-Roubaix bicycle race on it, and the graphics resolution was really quite amazing. To my old eyes, it looked no different from watching segments on my new iMac with Radeon Pro 580 graphics card. The Mac is nice and has a 27 inch display, while the HP only has a 15 inch display with NVIDIA as at the graphics driver; the Mac ran me $2700 and will likely have a longer lifetime - hopefully twice that of the HP since it cost twice as much. We'll see. My old 2006 MBP will probably outlast both of them.

 

[DevNull0]

I do look around and have yet to see one that looks better. More pixels doesn't mean much when the rMBP already has more than you can discern (somewhere between 2K and 4K res). Do the color and backlight look right in real life? Lenovo especially is known for selling BS (along with HP), so I'd expect the display to have weird colors or uneven backlighting, unless the trackpad or cooling sucks so bad that it doesn't matter. Dell and others are generally ok, but I still haven't seen anything match the MBP.

So Apple just has the magic right resolution where "you" can't discern more pixels? How do you know how good my eyesight is or how close I hold my laptop to my eyes?

That said I do agree that more pixels alone don't mean much. But Apple isn't magically the only company that give "the best" display. There are far better quality laptop screens than Apple offers and in far cheaper laptops. That's why I emphasized the IPS displays, but if you were actually able to have an impartial look around a computer store, the Apple laptops really aren't all that great for screen quality.

Lenovo and HP do sell cheap low quality computers, they also both sell very expensive high end computers that put anything out of Cupertino to shame. You can't say a $3500 MBP is better than a $300 Lenovo, therefore every single Apple laptop is better than every single Lenovo laptop. I don't know about the $1200 model I mentioned, but I do know Lenovos at a much lower price point than anything Apple offers do have fantastic quality. And compared to Apple's pathetic offerings, a $1200 machine with a quad core i7, dGPU, 16 gig of ram, 512 gig of SSD and a 15.6" 4k IPS display is at least worth a good look.

 

[DoctorTech]

Those were my exact thoughts. This makes no sense. 41% of teens do not own a rolex

I agree. The article used the phrase "upper income teens" without defining what that means (the top 5% highest earning teens or teens whose family are in the top 1%?). Without a definition of who was surveyed the numbers are meaningless.

 

[Michael Scrip]

It still baffles me that you need at least $2,000 to get a 15" laptop from Apple. And that's for last year's model with an integrated GPU!

You need $2,400 to get the current generation.

Granted... it's got a beautiful display.

But still. That's a lotta dough for a 15" laptop.

Then again... Apple's always been about "premium" products... with prices to match!

 

[gkarris]

...and 90% of them refuse to put it away...

 

[Baymowe335]

you mean rich kids and teens... the rest use android.

They don't have to be rich. A smartphone is literally the most important object on earth for these kids...and many adults. They will give up anything for it. Seriously.
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The ficklest of consumers?

The demographic that has the least lock-in to any platform or concept?

The people who can decide only on the merits of vanity that Apple is "over", for any reason or no reason, and kick them to the curb?

I guess that's a good market to be in...if you don't have access to any other.

The old "fickle" consumer has made Apple the most valuable and profitable company on the planet. It turns out, the Apple customer isn't your average customer. The opposite of fickle, really.

 

[mi7chy]

They're largely retirees on fixed incomes, and aren't into the buying the latest crap just because it's cool. Too sensible to be a lucrative demographic.

Be more grateful for the seniors who will pass down their wealth in the form of inheritance to young punks. Plus, it's probably the grandparents that bought these kids their Apple toys.

 

[JGRE]

Why would anyone in the world compare students' interest in $300 Apple Watch versus $50000 Patek Philipe?

Neither do I believe that 41% of the teens own a Rolex or is able to purchase on in the near future.
Btw: Role, the most overrated timepiece ever. Or even worst, it is not about the timepiece, but just an expression of "Look, I made it all the way". Sad!
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you mean rich kids and teens... the rest use android.

Has to be, otherwise Apple share would be much higher compared to Android. After all, teens will not stay teens once they turn 20.
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So Apple just has the magic right resolution where "you" can't discern more pixels? How do you know how good my eyesight is or how close I hold my laptop to my eyes?

That said I do agree that more pixels alone don't mean much. But Apple isn't magically the only company that give "the best" display. There are far better quality laptop screens than Apple offers and in far cheaper laptops. That's why I emphasized the IPS displays, but if you were actually able to have an impartial look around a computer store, the Apple laptops really aren't all that great for screen quality.

Lenovo and HP do sell cheap low quality computers, they also both sell very expensive high end computers that put anything out of Cupertino to shame. You can't say a $3500 MBP is better than a $300 Lenovo, therefore every single Apple laptop is better than every single Lenovo laptop. I don't know about the $1200 model I mentioned, but I do know Lenovos at a much lower price point than anything Apple offers do have fantastic quality. And compared to Apple's pathetic offerings, a $1200 machine with a quad core i7, dGPU, 16 gig of ram, 512 gig of SSD and a 15.6" 4k IPS display is at least worth a good look.

I have a early 2011 13" MBP and its screen still beats my rather new Lenovo X1 Carbon I got from my employer. My 2014 MBA, however cannot compare to my MBP. The MBP has an excellent screen while not even being retina.

 

[canny]

Yay for Apple, but I don't think kids should have phones. A generation will be ruined with distractions.

 

[Glideslope]

Well, this answers the "why do we have animoji ?" Apple should add a "How to graduate high school" app in iOS 12.

 

[69650]

I don’t believe these figures for a moment. Did they conduct this research in Beverly Hills? This is just a blatant attempt to pump up the stock price ahead of disappointing iPhone sales numbers at the next earnings call.

 

[thespacekid]

Do they own or just have/use an iPhone? Seems many teens iPhones are purchased by their parents and given to the teens.