82% of Teens Surveyed Now Own an iPhone, 84% Plan to Purchase

[BlargKing]

Look at sales of Macs. Growing in general, though slowly. Then look at PCs, sales decreasing. Then consider that Macs probably have twice the useful life of PCs. Do you think user time on PCs compared to Macs is increasing? I don't think so.

Twice the useful life my rear, at least so far as doing anything remotely intensive. Considering most Macs are far behind PC in terms of performance at the time of purchase, professionals are going to have to replace their entire machines far more frequently than someone who buys a high end PC. The PC I built 4 years ago is still going strong, my mothers, brothers, and my own laptops are all still running smoothly after 2 years.

PCs don't break down nearly as fast as some people like to believe.

Sales growth doesn't necessarily mean PC is dying, maybe its because you can get a powerful PC for half the cost of a Mac and people aren't replacing them as often.

And it may be a small niche of the whole market, but I'm seeing more and more creative professionals abandoning Mac and getting a PC because of the same reasons. Cheaper, faster, just as reliable.

 

[ipponrg]

I THINK they asked “what would you prefer?” And 41% said Rolex. I have yet to see anyone under 40 that owns a Rolex...

I know plenty under 40 that own a Rolex. I could've opted for a Rolex, but I decided to get an Omega and a Nomos instead. It's all about priorities... some people such as myself enjoy time pieces more than other things.

 

[fairuz]

Twice the useful life my rear, at least so far as doing anything remotely intensive. Considering most Macs are far behind PC in terms of performance at the time of purchase, professionals are going to have to replace their entire machines far more frequently than someone who buys a high end PC. The PC I built 4 years ago is still going strong, my mothers, brothers, and my own laptops are all still running smoothly after 2 years.

PCs don't break down nearly as fast as some people like to believe.

Sales growth doesn't necessarily mean PC is dying, maybe its because you can get a powerful PC for half the cost of a Mac and people aren't replacing them as often.

And it may be a small niche of the whole market, but I'm seeing more and more creative professionals abandoning Mac and getting a PC because of the same reasons. Cheaper, faster, just as reliable.

It's not about the hardware, nor is it about pro users. It's about average users taking a Windows laptop, having it turn to crap after a year of random bloatware getting installed, getting infected with ransomware and Bitcoin miners, and not knowing how to deal with the drivers or whatever other issues. These are people who don't even know how to reinstall an OS and probably don't care either. When they need help, it's easier to find for the most popular laptop (MacBook Pro).

Oh yeah... and no matter what nice specs a Windows laptop has, you're probably gonna have to live with a garbage-tier trackpad and a worse display the whole time. That matters way more than i5-5xxx vs i7-7xxx for most people.

 

[ROiNES]

Apple should launch their own version of facebook. One that doesnt data mine or run ads. With such a large and growing user base, it seems like a no brainer to me. Tim Cook spoke Friday about how their customers aren’t their product and how he wouldn’t be in a situation like Zuckerberg finds himself in, so why not launch your own social media app and capatilize on FaceBooks troubles?

The point is that facebook is not a good product. Apple should not spend any resources trying to reproduce their own facebook. If you research the data, messaging (WhatsApp, Instagram Direct, Messenger, Telegram, Snapchat messaging) these are the true attention grabbers (not newsfeeds). And Apple has it's own version with iMessages. As long as Apple keeps improving their offering and making it appealing to teens with new features (animojis) they will stay more active on iMessages than on other social platforms. Also ads have no place in messaging services, and I'm sure users also like that.

 

[BlargKing]

It's not about the hardware, nor is it about pro users. It's about average users taking a Windows laptop, having it turn to crap after a year of random bloatware getting installed, getting infected with ransomware and Bitcoin miners, and not knowing how to deal with the drivers or whatever other issues. These are people who don't even know how to reinstall an OS and probably don't care either.

4 years and running without an anitvirus, haven't got a scrap of malware. Its not that hard to keep a computer from getting infected. As for drivers, it will of course vary use to use, but 90% of the stuff I plug in works without any additional input from me. Obviously internal stuff like GPUs will need drivers, but thats unavoidable.

People who are computer illiterate will have difficulty no matter if they're using a Mac or a PC.

 

[Chloros]

I've got an 11 year old niece. She definitely wants an iPhone. Her little group of friends currently use iPads and iPod touches to message each other.

Amazing story

 

[fairuz]

The point is that facebook is not a good product. Apple should not spend any resources trying to reproduce their own facebook. If you research the data, messaging (WhatsApp, Instagram Direct, Messenger, Telegram, Snapchat messaging) these are the true attention grabbers (not newsfeeds). And Apple has it's own version with iMessages. As long as Apple keeps improving their offering and making it appealing to teens with new features (animojis) they will stay more active on iMessages than on other social platforms. Also ads have no place in messaging services, and I'm sure users also like that.

Agreed. It still has utility for groups and stuff, but that doesn't make money anyway.

 

[Tech198]

Those green bubbles, and can’t be part of a group message is what makes everyone without an iPhone feel like an outsider. It’s brilliant and Apple doesn’t have to spend a dime to advertise that.

Yep, sucker everyone into the same eco-system also with free texting That's about the best as you can get

 

[fairuz]

4 years and running without an anitvirus, haven't got a scrap of malware. Its not that hard to keep a computer from getting infected. As for drivers, it will of course vary use to use, but 90% of the stuff I plug in works without any additional input from me. Obviously internal stuff like GPUs will need drivers, but thats unavoidable.

People who are computer illiterate will have difficulty no matter if they're using a Mac or a PC.

You can look at the numbers of infected users from each attack. Some of them, like WannaCry, were hardly even the users' fault (vulnerability in SMP). You don't have to worry about that on macOS, nor do you ever think about drivers or really anything technical. I'm not talking about computer-illiterate people, just average young people. It's not so much that they can't figure it out but that they rather wouldn't.

For people like my grandma who can hardly use a computer, switching her from Windows to Mac definitely helped her.

 

[Order_66]

It shows how primitive the Apple Pay Cash system is. WeChat allows someone to initiate a bill splitting request and lets everyone track who's paid and who hasn't. Everyone from restaurants to gas stations take WeChat Pay. Similarly, car sharing is integrated directly into WeChat.

I've installed various chat apps in the past, wechat, whatsapp, BBM, Viber etc, all of them have a lot of nice features but none of my friends used any of them unfortunately.

 

[fairuz]

It shows how primitive the Apple Pay Cash system is. WeChat allows someone to initiate a bill splitting request and lets everyone track who's paid and who hasn't. Everyone from restaurants to gas stations take WeChat Pay. Similarly, car sharing is integrated directly into WeChat.
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Interesting to read this perspective. In the U.S., it's new and cool to use a cashless transaction. In China, it would be abnormal to pay using cash, even for mom & pop street vendors.

There are too many standards here being pushed by very powerful competing corps. China had the government say screw competition and just dictate the standard (I mean technically TenCent, but you know), and in this case it helped a lot. As much as I like competition for the long run, the new tech companies' approach of vertical integration is really making it painful nowadays.

 

[macfacts]

So teens are answering this survey and they know their household income? Hahahahha

 

[Mobster1983]

Recall that these are the same people eating laundry soap and snorting condoms.

This comment seriously made me LOL. Well played sir!

 

[genovelle]

Those green bubbles, and can’t be part of a group message is what makes everyone without an iPhone feel like an outsider. It’s brilliant and Apple doesn’t have to spend a dime to advertise that.

These green bubbles also indicate regular text messages so the number of pictures or the length of a video will be more limited.
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Definitely an American thing.

iMessage is primitive compared to other messaging apps like WeChat which allow you to pay friends directly, split a restaurant bill, or request car sharing.

Um you can do that in iMessage too.

 

[JPack]

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Um you can do that in iMessage too.

Nope.

 

[Brandhouse]

82% own an iPhone, 84% plan to purchase? Really? There's something wrong there with the basic maths.

 

[NoNothing]

Clearly... having a phone is a BASIC HUMAN RIGHT not a privilege, duh.

No. The INTERNET is a basic human right. Keep it straight. The Internet is up there with freedom of thought.

 

[Michael Scrip]

82% own an iPhone, 84% plan to purchase? Really? There's something wrong there with the basic maths.

Seems basic to me...

82% of people surveyed currently own an iPhone... and those same 82% surveyed PLUS a 2% of surveyed non-iPhone owners expect their next phone to be an iPhone.

 

[genovelle]

That kind of market domination is seriously not good. I'm not saying Apple should be broken up, but I think we need 3 big players in the smart phone market, at the moment we have 2 eco systems (Android and Ios) and Apple + Samsung when hardware is concerned. I think some chinese companies will challenge with cheap and powerful hardware, but I really wish Windows Phone hadn't failed so miserably.

This is a joke post right. If a company is actually making product people want instead of them buying it because no one else makes one, where is the problem? There are hundreds of options many that are cheaper, but Apple keeps moving the bar and standards. As it should be.

 

[reden]

Nope.

Yep.

 

[fairuz]

That kind of market domination is seriously not good. I'm not saying Apple should be broken up, but I think we need 3 big players in the smart phone market, at the moment we have 2 eco systems (Android and Ios) and Apple + Samsung when hardware is concerned. I think some chinese companies will challenge with cheap and powerful hardware, but I really wish Windows Phone hadn't failed so miserably.

Since Apple and Google aren't colluding, I don't see the problem. I see plenty of choice and only 2 standards to deal with.
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Yep.

To all of it? Splitting bills and requesting cars? Not that the second one matters; you just use Uber or Lyft for that.

 

[Mobster1983]

In my own experience so far I've seen the opposite. The college I go to was all Mac when I started but over the course of the last 2 years they've replaced all their Macs with PCs because of the high cost of Macs and lower performance compared to less expensive PCs.

Same when it comes to an office situation. If you've got several hundred to thousand employees, are you going to spend over 1000$ for each of them to have a Mac? No, your going to buy a 500$ PC system in bulk.

Individual experiences can vary of course. My law school class (completed last year) was mostly Macs. Don't know of anyone that went back to a PC, although a few switched to Macs during our time there.

As a businessman and attorney (operations manager for a medium-sized business before law school and other relevant professional experience) I would absolutely spend extra money up front to purchase Macs for my office. Again, although individual experiences may vary, I have never had a Windows computer that lasted more than a year without some sort of major problem. I had to replace windows computers pretty much every other year. Organizations I worked for with Windows computers constantly had issues and Customer support costs were fairly high. On the other hand, although Macs do have issues, it has been far less. My own personal Macbook Air (2011) lasted 5 years and still ran great, used for business, writing, research, and some photo/video editing. Never had a single issue the entire time I had it and gave it to my brother when I got a 2016 MBP. He still uses it two years later with no issues.

I have found that many organizations and managers, however, look only at short-term costs when it comes to tech. This leads, at least partially, to the prevalence of Windows, in my opinion. My own experience and studies I have seen show that Macs, over the long term, are much more cost effective for organizations. I also believe that people working on Macs are more efficient (due to ease of use and less time spent figuring out "quirks" or issues with Windows machines). More efficient employees amounts to more money for the business.

 

[JPack]

Yep.

1. Apple Pay Cash can't settle in foreign currencies. If you have a friend in Europe, you can't send USD and have it converted to EUR.

2. Can't split a bill amount by sending out a request to all group members, then collecting and tracking payment.

Like I said, iMessage is primitive. You can do anything if you take baby steps and use apps outside iMessage. But that's like eating spaghetti with a spoon. Nobody wants to do that.

 

[dirt_farmer]

One of Apple’s major strengths for the future is their dominance of kids and teens.

The ficklest of consumers?

The demographic that has the least lock-in to any platform or concept?

The people who can decide only on the merits of vanity that Apple is "over", for any reason or no reason, and kick them to the curb?

I guess that's a good market to be in...if you don't have access to any other.

 

[diazj3]

One of Apple’s major strengths for the future is their dominance of kids and teens.

you mean rich kids and teens... the rest use android.