Looking specifically at the ThinkPad X1 Carbon, they charge £80 for an extra 16 GB RAM in the UK, while Apple charge £200 for 8GB. That's 5x the price per GB!
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They charge $240 for the only RAM upgrade they offer. If they offered an 8GB option, then I would have compared that. Personally, I think it’s a shame they don’t offer both an 8GB option, and options above 32GB. They only offer the X1 Carbon with either 16GB or 32GB. What about the people who need more than 32GB? And as I said, the display is atrocious comparatively, yet you’re already starting at a much higher starting price point for that 16GB ThinkPad X1 Carbon. It’s nearly twice the cost of the base model MacBook Pro, which means I could spec up the MacBook Pro quite nicely, and still come in cheaper, and have a much better quality display and sound system to boot! 👍🏻
Apple execs: "Why make the markup 100% when we can make it 1,000%?!"
Where are you finding this configurator? And are all the other specs equal? Which CPU did you select? I had to hunt down the individual listings on their site, and if you’re interested, I can provide the links. I’m in the US, so pounds have zero meaning to me.
The 16GB Version: https://www.lenovo.com/us/en/p/lapt...d-x1-carbon-gen-11-(14-inch-intel)/21hm002eus
The 32GB Version: https://www.lenovo.com/us/en/p/lapt...d-x1-carbon-gen-11-(14-inch-intel)/21hm002gus
Both with the i7 CPU, and 1TB storage.
And, again, this laptops specs fall woefully short of being comparable to the MacBook Pro. The display is atrocious comparatively, and the M3 should easily outbenchmark that i7 CPU. Not to even mention the sound system and battery runtime.
Well, why not compare a 16GB upgrade? Apple charges $400 to upgrade from 8GB to 24GB and Lenovo charges $240 to upgrade from 16GB to 32GB.
UK Lenovo website. I've never used it before either. 🤷🏼♂️ I've closed it now. Maybe use a VPN if it redirects you to the US site.
Because people are complaining about the 8GB to 16GB upgrade. And even if we compare the M3 Pro chips upgrade options, which you’ll pay more for, the overall price is still lower than the normal price of the ThinkPad X1 Carbon with 16GB RAM. Oh, and it has a waaaay better screen…
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I don’t think it’s beneficial to the conversation. Do you really dislike Apple? That’s the vibes I’m getting from your comments. If so, why spend so much time on a forum for Apple fans?
Well, I provided the links to both versions, they have all of the other specs identical, the only difference is RAM, and the 32GB version is $240 more than the 16GB version. And both have a pricetag that’s far higher than the base model MacBook Pro, while also having far lesser quality displays.
Like I said when asked before in this thread: I like Apple, I have used their products since the last millennium, I have loads of their current products, I use their products for personal and professional use, but think they're shortchanging all their customers on RAM and storage on Macs- badly!
I'll return the question to you, as I don't see why you've posted 100+ times to argue that Apple should not provide more RAM or storage. How can this possibly be so emotive for you in the pro-business, anti-consumer direction??
Edit: The fact Apple make a ~1,000% makeup on RAM upgrade pricing surely is very relevant to a discussion on RAM??
Apple does provide more storage options. They actually have far more options than that X1 Carbon does. It isn’t anti-consumer to believe that offering an 8GB RAM option is a good thing, and that $200 isn’t to much for a RAM upgrade. Especially when considering that even with said RAM upgrade (which many people don’t need), it’s still less than what the last two prior years base models costed. I view this actually as a win for consumers, lowering the cost of entry on the MacBook Pro’s so that more people can afford them. I’m guessing most of the parts costs didn’t go down vs the prior years, so I think there’s only so far down in price they can reasonably go and still make some profit to make it worthwhile, and so I’m surprised they’re even offering us a cheaper 8GB configuration at this low of a price point, and I think those of us who want to save money should have the option to buy an 8GB configuration MacBook Pro.
You were the one going on about fair comparisons on the previous page. I don’t think your comparison of the cost of Apple's 8GB upgrade against Lenovo's 16GB upgrade was remotely fair.
And I said that I didn’t want to compare the MacBook Pro against the ThinkPad, because I didn’t believe it was a fair comparison, but others wanted me to, so I obliged. I’ve said from the beginning that this wouldn’t be a very fair comparison, and I said that it was an upgrade from 16GB to 32GB. The M3 MacBook Pro doesn’t have a 32GB RAM option, so I don’t have anything to compare in that regard. Though it should be noted that Lenovo is asking for about twice what Apple is for the base MacBook Pro, even though this ThinkPad has a lousy display and isn’t even close on other specs such as the battery runtime or the sound system.
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And besides, 8GB, 16GB, and 32GB RAM chips cost about the same to these PC manufacturers, right?…🤣 (That’s the argument a lot of you were making earlier in the thread).
As RAM prices drop and drop, at what point would you say the upgrade cost should also drop when jumping to 16GB, Kal Madda? when it's a 2,000% markup? 3,000%? I would have thought 1,000% would have exceeded what is considered fair some time ago.
A. I don’t think we have any precise data on how much Apple is paying for their RAM, and most pretend numbers I’ve seen floated out there were higher than $20.00. Most of the hypothetical numbers I’ve seen from your side of the debate have been around $40 or so. And B. beyond that, I think the RAM upgrade charges should be whatever Apple has to charge to make it profitable. They have a much better idea of what costs are involved in the production of their devices than I do (or really anyone outside of Apple does).
And @ric22, do you believe the base 8GB RAM option could be allowed to exist if it were yet cheaper? What if Apple dropped the price on the 16GB configuration to where the 8GB configuration currently is, and dropped the 8GB option yet further down in price? Or what if the upgrade from 8GB to 16GB were $100? Would you be fine then? Because this article is saying the 8GB option shouldn’t exist, it’s not about whether RAM upgrade pricing is too high or not.
I think you're just winding everyone up at this point. "To make it profitable" Haha! What a joke. Profitability isn't the question, just how ridiculously profitable is unacceptable.
I’m winding everyone up? By what, having my own opinion? 😂. And how do you know it‘s “ridiculously profitable”? When was the last time you saw an expenses report within Apple on how much the MacBook Pro costs to produce, or are you just assuming with imaginary numbers and no real data?
I agree. It's just misinformation and distraction.
Look at the following quote about Lenovo 'asking twice what Apple is for the base MacBook Pro.'
It should exist, it will be enough for some people. How many of those people are paying $1600 for a laptop is very small though i think. 8gb RAM configs shouldn't be priced at that level.
That laptop seems to exist to convince people to stretch to an M3 Pro model.
@ric22 you think the Ram upgrades are too expensive, that’s fine, you can have your opinion. I have mine. But please
Not misinformation, see the links I provided. Speaking of which, all the link you link to did for me is say “page not found”. The 16GB ThinkPad X1 Carbon with the i7 and 1TB of Storage is normally priced at $3,319.00 according to their website. It’s currently on sale for Black Friday, and the 58% off sale price is $1,392.99, nearly what the base spec MacBook Pro costs. And I can easily match those specs on a MacBook Pro and still come out way cheaper, and have a good quality display to boot.
I'm very surprised Apple didn't give the entry level Macbook Pro the same RAM and storage configs as the others but reserve the pro motion screen to the M3 Pro/M3 Max models, would've made more sense imo.
I’m glad that they did give it the pro motion display, because otherwise I think it would basically just be a glorified MacBook Air. But that’s just my opinion.