Sad thing, if we would stop buying when they do this they would stop.
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8GB RAM on M3 MacBook Pro 'Analogous to 16GB' on PCs, Claims Apple
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And I can go to a Porsche dealer and declare a mid-sized four-door sedan shouldn't cost more than this in 2023(!), but I can't expect him to give me a Panamera for that price.
Victoria 3 when it came out would run pretty good on Mac’s considering 8gb and fanless it was actually kinda a miracle. But with 8gb the game would just crash after a couple hours. This wouldn’t happen on 16gb ram models. So yea. It’s a limitation sadly. I just go with the pro version of the chip for my paradox games and for now it’s the best option I got laptop wise (heat, fan noise, performance, screen). The Victoria 3 apple silicon version just hit beta so here’s hoping they do EU5 in AS as well.
This is Apple's saddest attempt at gaslighting since Steve Jobs tried to tell iPhone 4 owners they weren't holding their phones right when Antennagate happened.
What ********... It's even worse if you think that RAM also have to be shared with the GPU. So if the gpu uses 2-4GB of VRAM, you are left with 4-6GB normal RAM...
I'm not working with a few website. Graphic design, 4K editing, Emulation, file server, gaming, AND general web use. Either way, the point is that going from 96GB (+8GB of GPU's VRAM) to 64GB is the same hit it would be if I was on a non-Apple Silicon computer. By Borchers' estimation, my 64GB should be the equivalent of 128GB. It's not, it's the equivalent of 64GB. all of their compression and memory allocation techniques kind of basically just make up for the fact that I'm sharing VRAM with the main system. So it's break even 64GB.
What a bunch of bullcrap! I don't care how efficient the system is, there is no way 8GB of RAM using a unified CPU/GPU memory pool is equal to 16GB in other systems that may or may not have discreet GPUs.
Yeah - got to admit that it's surely time to up the minimum to 12GB or 16GB.
But a little in their defence...
The base spec M1 Air I'm writing this on just seems unstoppable, and no matter how much I open at once (sometimes just to see what happens!) it just seems to shrug it off and keep going smoothly. I'm talking 50+ tabs in Safari and 20 Apps full screen as a "stress test".
What the ****! How 🤷♀️
...and as a previous poster pointed out - it's sharing the 8GB with the gpu too 😳
Try the same thing on my old Late 2015 iMac with its original 8GB Ram (and separate Vram) and it was a beach balling stuttering mess! Which was why upped it to 24GB.
Seriously though Apple - you could have gone to 12GB min... For the money it'd just be polite!! 😂
But a little in their defence...
The base spec M1 Air I'm writing this on just seems unstoppable, and no matter how much I open at once (sometimes just to see what happens!) it just seems to shrug it off and keep going smoothly. I'm talking 50+ tabs in Safari and 20 Apps full screen as a "stress test".
What the ****! How 🤷♀️
...and as a previous poster pointed out - it's sharing the 8GB with the gpu too 😳
Try the same thing on my old Late 2015 iMac with its original 8GB Ram (and separate Vram) and it was a beach balling stuttering mess! Which was why upped it to 24GB.
Seriously though Apple - you could have gone to 12GB min... For the money it'd just be polite!! 😂
MBP is no Porsche. Almost everyone in first world countries can afford a MBP but only a minority a Porsche.
Bad example, sorry.
My MBP from 2012 has 8GB of RAM. 11 years later still 8GB. That’s a joke, sorry.
Edit: 512GB SSD is a joke too.
As long as Apple is ok with me saying that every $50 I give them is really the same as the $100 they asked for, I am all good.
"If you're a fan of Apple's æsthetic, there aren't many other products can compete. Take the iMac, for example. Its competition like the HP Envy and Lenovo IdeaCentre. While appearance is subjective, I think most people would prefer the iMac's look and color options. Also, consider the exclusive software features that integrate the Mac with the customer's iPhone or iPad. Suddenly, buying a computer from Apple is the most appealing option despite its high price."
Yeah man. How dare they make a good product. HP and Lenovo couldn't possibly compete!
I'm sorry, what? It's not Apple's fault that other companies are bad at visual design, and bad at cross-product integration. That's on everyone else.
A computer is no car. Ram is not horsepower. A photo or video e.g with the same format has the same size in windows macos Linux whatever.
This is true. I’ve personally held off in buying a new Mac since 2014 (iMac 5K). MBA 2012 replaced by Apple with 2015 model. I think Apple has got the laptop situation all wrong. Genuinely prefer my 2015 MBA with SD Card and MagSafe to any MBA now selling. I’d like more speed, but I survive. New machine is missing HDMI and SD Card, and frankly the wedge shape was a better design. It’s easier to pick up and carry and it feels perceptively thinner and smaller, and has a keyboard angled toward the typist with a very thin front to not hitting off your wrists. Secondly, the screen sizes are wrong. MBA should come in 12.9” 16:10 screen, and a 14.2” 16:10 machine. Don’t get me started on the iMac. So many things wrong with that machine it’s not funny. MBP suffers less than excellent battery life for wireless web. Base model MBP also should not exist. Pro should mean pro, no ifs or buts.
It's ok, Apple. My $500 is compressed, so it's like $2000.
Do we have a deal?
Do we have a deal?
Exactly because even if they did go 16 base, they wouldn't lower the price. Then the people who only need/want 8 would be "forced" to pay $200 more for no reason like with the 15PM ending the 128GB. The two biggest issues in my opinion:
1. The price of upgrade. You aren't even paying $200 for 16. You are actually paying $200 for 8 since you already have 8 for the $200 less
2. No user upgradability. Charge what you want if people have a choice to it themselves since then it becomes more of a convenience charge
Yes! I never did acquire the taste -- it all just tastes like sucking on charcoal for some reason.
I drink Diet Pepsi instead, which is just as bad for you and you need to drink more of it!
LOL!
I dunno, I have the base 16GB M1 Pro MacBook Pro and I'm consistently under 200 MB free memory. I plan to get more the next time I purchase, likely by simply getting the "Max" chip with higher base RAM when on discount or when it's last gen. I don't like swap.
8GB=16GB RAM sure.
What's next? Selling iPhones without chargers because they care so much for the environment 🤑?
What's next? Selling iPhones without chargers because they care so much for the environment 🤑?
Sorry your car analogy doesn't work for computer based RAM. I like the analogy, it just doesn't work in this case.
I think I am going to try that the next time I am at the Apple Store.
Sadly, you are only defending Apple's problem like a fan boy.