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I've tested it pretty extensive over the last 24hours and couldn't get more than 2-3mb page-outs even with 8GB RAM.
Loading MATLAB with 2-3GB 3D-CT volumes, Eclipse coding, Safari with 10+ tabs, Spotify, Win7 VMWare Fusion and a few smaller apps and the thing doesn't even blink.
I'm gonna try it for the next few days but if my first impression doesn't change I'm keeping the 8GB.

That's interesting mate, I have ordered the 2.6GHz 512GB version with 8 Gig and was doubting my decision.

Out of curiosity how much ram have you allocated to the Win 7 virtual machine? Id prefer not to have to boot-camp just to run the odd windows app. What is the performance/responsiveness of the Win 7 VM like? Can you possibly supply the Win 7 performance rating?
 
Speaking of false illusions, good luck on getting the same price for an 8GB RMBP as a 16GB RMBP in 3 years. There will be at least two updates of Mac OS by then, so I surely expect to be hitting the ceiling on 8GB by 2015.
Personally I actually hope the majority of you DO buy 8gb RMBPs. That way when I buy my 16GB RMBP it will hold it's value better if it is a comparatively smaller share of total RMBPs sold.

If history repeats itself 'the 8gb is enough crowd' ought to look at the un-upgradable MBA owners who staunchly defended their '2gb is enough'. Current fleabay pricing shows more than $100-$150 difference between the 2gb and 4gb machines. Which is the same or more than the original price difference The demand for 4gb is much higher.
 
If history repeats itself 'the 8gb is enough crowd' ought to look at the un-upgradable MBA owners who staunchly defended their '2gb is enough'. Current fleabay pricing shows more than $100-$150 difference between the 2gb and 4gb machines. Which is the same or more than the original price difference The demand for 4gb is much higher.

Comparing 2GB to 4GB isn't the same as 8 vs 16.

It's just not.

Besides, Apple didn't start offering 4GB in the MBA until they went from the 9400M to the 320M. That alone made them worth more.
 
Comparing 2GB to 4GB isn't the same as 8 vs 16.

It's just not.

Besides, Apple didn't start offering 4GB in the MBA until they went from the 9400M to the 320M. That alone made them worth more.

Actually, it is.... The operating systems of the future will use exponentially more resources, not even taking in to account moore's law.
 
So i7 2.6 and 8GB ram is enough?

i read many opinions here.

i ordered the higher end macbook pro retina (i7 2.6, 512, 8GB ram), is that enough for me if I'm going to run windows 7 professional on parallels?

i never do video or photo editing or even gaming, but i use excel on windows 7 most of the but i also hate the windows UI so i would love to stick to OS X lion and still use excel on win7.

should i cancel my order and upgrade to 16GB ram?


thanks in advance.
 
i read many opinions here.

i ordered the higher end macbook pro retina (i7 2.6, 512, 8GB ram), is that enough for me if I'm going to run windows 7 professional on parallels?

i never do video or photo editing or even gaming, but i use excel on windows 7 most of the but i also hate the windows UI so i would love to stick to OS X lion and still use excel on win7.

should i cancel my order and upgrade to 16GB ram?


thanks in advance.

No, 8gb is MORE than enough and will last you quite awhile. You can use excel on Mac OSX as well.
 
No, 8gb is MORE than enough and will last you quite awhile. You can use excel on Mac OSX as well.

thanks for the fest response,

i use windows office bundle because they offer native Arabic support which is needed by my employer. Sadly mac doesn't, hopefully soon.



thanks again
 
I've tested it pretty extensive over the last 24hours and couldn't get more than 2-3mb page-outs even with 8GB RAM.
Loading MATLAB with 2-3GB 3D-CT volumes, Eclipse coding, Safari with 10+ tabs, Spotify, Win7 VMWare Fusion and a few smaller apps and the thing doesn't even blink.
I'm gonna try it for the next few days but if my first impression doesn't change I'm keeping the 8GB.

That's interesting mate, I have ordered the 2.6GHz 512GB version with 8 Gig and was doubting my decision.

Out of curiosity how much ram have you allocated to the Win 7 virtual machine? Id prefer not to go into bootcamp just to run the odd windows app.

You wouldn't by any chance be able to post the windows experience rating under VMWare would you? How responsive is switching between virtual machines, and the virtual machine itself?
 
To be honest I've been really debating this but then I figured outside of those on here if 16 was so important the apple would atleast spec the stock 2.6/8/526 up to 16 as that is clearly meant to be powerful. The fact that they haven't to me says it all

Good thought but look at it from a sales and marketing perspective. I ordered the 16 cause i use aperture a lot. Could i have got by with 8, sure but i figured i might as well upgrade the damn thing:D

By not having the 16gb in store you have to custom order. There are a lot of people who just don't want to wait (me being one of them but i forced myself this time). IF technology continues to eat up more ram down the road, you may have a bunch of people sitting with 8gb that can't upgrade and are at that point wanting to sell that one so they can buy a new one with 16 as a base for example. Just a thought. I could be way off my rocker but thats how i look at things. Quite honestly i would have much respect for Apple if indeed that is the reasoning. ;)
 
Just for the record I got my rMBP a week ago and honestly 8gb is quite ample.

I've been using Safari with a dozen tabs, iTunes and Photoshop/Aperture running with almost 4gbs to spare. like 2.3gb of free ram and another 2 gigs of inactive ram.

Same deal with the SSD if you guys are wonder....

After installing CS6, Aperture, Microsoft Office, 100gb bootcamp, etc etc

I've still got about 50 gbs of space.

I only work on one project at a time and keep everything I'm not immediately working on a backup.

That's only for graphic work though. I don't really know what kind of demand audio/video folks have though.
 
Just for the record I got my rMBP a week ago and honestly 8gb is quite ample.

I've been using Safari with a dozen tabs, iTunes and Photoshop/Aperture running with almost 4gbs to spare. like 2.3gb of free ram and another 2 gigs of inactive ram.

Same deal with the SSD if you guys are wonder....

After installing CS6, Aperture, Microsoft Office, 100gb bootcamp, etc etc

I've still got about 50 gbs of space.

I only work on one project at a time and keep everything I'm not immediately working on a backup.

That's only for graphic work though. I don't really know what kind of demand audio/video folks have though.

Nice to hear. I'm not regretting my choice of getting a base model. The most demanding thing I will do on my pro is some world of warcraft and some Diablo III. Other than that it's just YouTube, Internet, email and college work for me.
 
If you want a high megapixel camera in the future (think 5D Mark III or especially the D800), editing those images in photoshop (and even loading those images in Aperture) really do NEED 16gb of RAM.

rubbish. I own a D800 and still opted for the 8gb version. Neither does this slow me down, nor did Lightroom running together with PS and a bunch of other apps ever even come close to using more than 6gb of memory. But it's a good example anyway: considering that it's very unlikely there'll be a lot of 30+ megapixel cameras around in 3 years and also considering that the 8gb rMBP handles RAWs and TIFFs of that size perfectly well, the whole "future-proofing" argument is moot as well.

What you really need for your D800 is 4+TB of drive space. And for that, you'll have to go external no matter what.

So if you want to blow your hard-earned cash on a luxury upgrade that'll neither pay off in re-sale value nor will do you any good in any way but will let you sleep better because you know that yours is bigger than his, go ahead - that's a perfectly good reason. But don't go around claiming that this will get you a better machine in terms of usability - it just doesn't.
 
Seriously you guys really need to figure out what the value of money is. $200 is a crap load of money to just blow on silicon you don't need. Not now and not in the lifetime of your RMBP.

Just stop being so anal and paranoid that you need to max it now because its not upgradable and I don't want my computer to blow after 2 years. It's not going to blow up. By the time computers are going to need 16 gigs your battery, gpu, cpu, led backlight is long gone making a purchase of a new laptop financially more attractive than trying to repair it.

Bottom line don't spend $200 on useless silicon. Spend it on your next laptop. 8gigs is plenty for 99% of the workload, now and for the lifetime of the mid 2012 rmbp.
 

He does say 8gb is fine for normal users but for "Professionals" who require a minimum of 8gb+ will most likely spring for the 16gb. This is my take on on the issue:

1. If you're a "Professional" who using Pro 64-bit apps, runs a few VMs, deals with large raw image files, does hardcore video editing and can take advantage of "AND" needs the 16gb then by all means, get the upgrade. But I think it's safe that to say that's the minority who will require the 16gb.

2. If you're suffering from OCD, get the 16gb, it will let you sleep better at night.

3. OS X has great memory management but with more and more Pro apps moving to 64 bit who can utilize the ram, 16gb is a nice option.

I'm returning mine to the store due to a screen issue but I've already order from the online store and yes I upgraded the base model to 16gb because I'm OCD and will sleep better at night :p and the fact I have to run a VM all day, Coda 2 (very large multiple projects open seem to soak up a ton of ram), work with multiple Photoshop files (usually 5-10 open pushing around 100-500mb per file), light FCPX work and the occasional netflix running in the background.

final thoughts:

Most will probably never see a difference or ever require the extra ram, save the money and take your lady out to a nice dinner.
 
Actually, it is.... The operating systems of the future will use exponentially more resources, not even taking in to account moore's law.

Not true. Both Apple and Microsoft are in the process of unifying their mobile- and desktop platforms. If anything, future versions will use fewer resources. As can be seen with Windows 8.

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i read many opinions here.

i ordered the higher end macbook pro retina (i7 2.6, 512, 8GB ram), is that enough for me if I'm going to run windows 7 professional on parallels?

i never do video or photo editing or even gaming, but i use excel on windows 7 most of the but i also hate the windows UI so i would love to stick to OS X lion and still use excel on win7.

should i cancel my order and upgrade to 16GB ram?


thanks in advance.

It's more than enough. Before I got the rMBP, I had a Macbook Air on which I ran Parallels (because I need the Windows version of MS Office) - that one only had 4gb of RAM and it worked like a charm.
 
rubbish. I own a D800 and still opted for the 8gb version. Neither does this slow me down, nor did Lightroom running together with PS and a bunch of other apps ever even come close to using more than 6gb of memory. But it's a good example anyway: considering that it's very unlikely there'll be a lot of 30+ megapixel cameras around in 3 years and also considering that the 8gb rMBP handles RAWs and TIFFs of that size perfectly well, the whole "future-proofing" argument is moot as well.

What you really need for your D800 is 4+TB of drive space. And for that, you'll have to go external no matter what.

So if you want to blow your hard-earned cash on a luxury upgrade that'll neither pay off in re-sale value nor will do you any good in any way but will let you sleep better because you know that yours is bigger than his, go ahead - that's a perfectly good reason. But don't go around claiming that this will get you a better machine in terms of usability - it just doesn't.

I'm sorry, but you're likely in the minority here if referring to graphics design. Graphics designers who work with large RAW and TIF files have huge scratch drives and use tons of memory for editing their photos. You should take one of your D800 RAW files, convert to TIF in photoshop and then apply some filters and look at activity monitor. MOST of the time you will max out at least 6GB (70% of memory - what photoshop defaults to), but also 8GB doing the above, let alone running other programs at the same time.

I can state from experience alone that on my macbook which had 4GB of RAM when I bought it I REGULARLY (and on a completely fresh install of Lion 2 weeks ago) use 8GB of RAM (my computer's max) and get significant page outs. I really do not agree that for photographers who work with huge image files it is a wise idea. Plus, because you can never go back on your decision once you choose, that's why I recommend 16GB. But, that is just my ADVICE based off of experience!

I do agree however that you need tons of external space for the raw photos themselves (I personally have 5TB of it).
 
you can never have too much memory! period!

I have had work stations with 48GB ram and render servers with 72GB ram.

8GB for serious graphic design is nothing.. either you work in low resolution or you only open 1 image at the time.. which.. well that's your choice.

16GB is by all means the way to go, no matter if you are a graphic designer or not.
 
One more point to make for everyone concerned about the longevity of their system. Assuming you want to purchase your machine and use it for 4 years (a very reasonable time period), the most comparable machine to it is the late 2008 Macbook Pro, the first unibody macbook pro released in 2008. According to apple-history, here is the description:

Announced in October 2008, The MacBook Pro (15-inch, Late 2008) featured a stunning case redesign, the first in the 15-inch MacBook Pro (née PowerBook) line in more than five years. The two-piece "Unibody" case was carved from a single block of aluminum, which made it both extremely strong and impressively thin. The MacBook Pro (15-inch, Late 2008) also featured a striking glass-covered screen, and a new glass-covered, clickable trackpad, which used Apple's Multi-Touch technology, with support for two, three, and four-finger gestures. Under the hood, the MacBook Pro (15-inch, Late 2008) included a number of architectural improvements, though the processor speed remained the same as the previous MacBook Pro. The primary improvement was to the graphics subsystem, which included two fully independent graphics chipsets, the high-performance NVIDIA GeForce 9600M GT and the lower-power GeForce 9400M. In place of the full-size, dual-link DVI port of the previous model was the smaller Mini DisplayPort. The MacBook Pro (15-inch, Late 2008) shipped in two configurations: 2.4 GHz/2 GB RAM/256 MB VRAM/250 GB HD/$1999 U.S., 2.53 GHz/4 GB RAM/512 MB VRAM/320 GB HD/$2499 U.S. Both models included a backlit-keyboard. Built-to-order options included a 2.8 GHz processor, 250 and 320 GB 7200 RPM hard drives and a 128 GB solid-state drive. All configurations were replaced in June 2009 by the MacBook Pro (15-inch, Mid 2009).

The Apple stated max RAM was 4GB, whereas in testing it was found to support 8GB of RAM. So, back in the day Apple thought that the maximum of 4GB of memory was more than enough at the time (which is why they didn't either offer or officially support more). The BASE model was 2GB (comparable to the base model of 8GB now). 2GB is a joke now and is not worth running any modern software. Nowadays, 4GB is a bare minimum anyone SHOULD run on a modern computer. Same with 8GB vs 16GB.
So:

Will 8GB last you for four years if not doing heavy duty photo stuff and VMware, etc - yes.

Will you likely get pageouts and performance slowdown with future software - yes.


Plus, this is macrumors, so a nice little rumor never hurt anyone... Probably the whole Mac OS is going to be changed to Mac OS 11 in the next four years (my source - they've run out of cat names - just joking), but seriously, who knows what OS 11 will require in terms of memory?
 
At my company, the newer developer laptops (non-apple) are being configured with 32Gb of RAM.

If you do development, run sort of any VM, run memory hungry applications like photo or video or audio processing, load up the boat on RAM.

Who needs 32gb on a laptop!? Crazy. Our Vmware and XenServer (another hyper visor) servers have 32gb each to run our production vm's (Windows 2003/2008 servers).

I'm pretty sure for 90% of the people on here 8gb will be more than enough.
 
He does say 8gb is fine for normal users but for "Professionals" who require a minimum of 8gb+ will most likely spring for the 16gb. This is my take on on the issue:

1. If you're a "Professional" who using Pro 64-bit apps, runs a few VMs, deals with large raw image files, does hardcore video editing and can take advantage of "AND" needs the 16gb then by all means, get the upgrade. But I think it's safe that to say that's the minority who will require the 16gb.

2. If you're suffering from OCD, get the 16gb, it will let you sleep better at night.

3. OS X has great memory management but with more and more Pro apps moving to 64 bit who can utilize the ram, 16gb is a nice option.

I'm returning mine to the store due to a screen issue but I've already order from the online store and yes I upgraded the base model to 16gb because I'm OCD and will sleep better at night :p and the fact I have to run a VM all day, Coda 2 (very large multiple projects open seem to soak up a ton of ram), work with multiple Photoshop files (usually 5-10 open pushing around 100-500mb per file), light FCPX work and the occasional netflix running in the background.

final thoughts:

Most will probably never see a difference or ever require the extra ram, save the money and take your lady out to a nice dinner.

Even with pro apps, 8GB is plenty. I can't get over these people who say 8GB is not enough. I run my business on 16GB on a 2011 model, with SSD and use every pro app you can think of, and only use 6GB at a time with a heavy work load.

That is very rare. Close out your apps you are not using. You don't need 20+ windows open at the same time. Seriously. 8Gb is plenty.

I had the retina MBP and returned it. Might pick one up again because not having the screen is bugging me, but at the same time I can't use it for work space on the go at this time. It just not ready for prime time. Regardless I am on the fence on buying one again just because.

The benefit of the base model, and this is lost on most people, why I can never tell. Is that the base model will allow you to 'swap' out the laptop if ever you need to repair the machine. As nothing is replaceable basically, except for the SSD, it will be treated like a iphone or ipad. Either that or guy the upgraded model, non-BTO. So you can swap it out.

Try swapping a BTO, isn't going to happen. You will have to wait for your machine to get repaired, instead of getting a 'new' or 'refurbished like new machine. Being a business man, I don't have time to wait. I need my machine now.

Go with the pre-configured models, especially since the RMBP cannot be upgraded or fixed easily. Battery anyone?:)

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you can never have too much memory! period!

I have had work stations with 48GB ram and render servers with 72GB ram.

8GB for serious graphic design is nothing.. either you work in low resolution or you only open 1 image at the time.. which.. well that's your choice.

16GB is by all means the way to go, no matter if you are a graphic designer or not.

Oh brother. :rolleyes:

Please. Just stop it. 72Gb of ram on a server, but you are not going to ever use the amount of memory a server needs or uses. 8GB for graphic design is plenty. Serious work, how about editing videos for NBC, FOX, CNN, or graphic design for advertisements for Apple, Nokia, Samsung, LG, Panasonic? In their board room or at a fancy restaurant in front of their marketing executives on a laptop no less.

Is that heavy enough for you? ;)

Your machine will not blow up if you don't have 16GB of Ram. I have 16GB of ram on a 2011 model with SSD. Don't hardly use 8GB if ever. Close out your apps. In the future like 3+ years from now will 8GB be enough. Should be. Maybe not. If you plan on keeping it more than three years, get the 16GB. 8GB will be enough three years from now. Longer than that, maybe not. But for now it's enough depending on your usage.

Mountian Lion doesn't use up as many resources as Lion. More efficient use of memory usage. Is it always better to have more, sure. Is it necessary. No.
 
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Not true. Both Apple and Microsoft are in the process of unifying their mobile- and desktop platforms. If anything, future versions will use fewer resources. As can be seen with Windows 8.

I'll believe that when I see it. More likely it will mean a fatter codebase to support all the different CPU architectures that they will have between mobile, laptop, embedded and desktop systems.
 
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