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9.7-inch iPad Pro and iPhone SE Both Have 2GB RAM
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I think you raise a good and new point, that iPads should be more future proofed, as people replace them probably even less than twice as often as they do their iPhone.
I do believe that iOS is maturing to a place where we won't see RAM and feature requirements increasing as they have since earlier versions of iOS. The same is true with OS X. Mavericks runs day to day operations just fine on 8 or even 4GB of RAM. Hell, I have 16GB of RAM, and to actually use 4GB I have to be using 10+ apps and many of these being not Safari or Mail, but third party applications or games that require heavy lifting.
That's so wonderful that you think the iPad pro is the best tablet out there. Good luck, buddy. Most android phones have more RAM and more storage....but you go ahead and tell yourself that.
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Flawlessly...? Are you actually serious? The 6 Plus, 6, and the air is ridiculously slow at this point because Apple cheaped out with the RAM. Same thing is gonna happen with this garbage iPad 'pro'.
Not an opinion either, I've owned all of these devices and boy do I regret it. Specs matter, regardless of the amount of koolaid you can drink.
Yea I am definitely nervous a little about the size, but I mainly use my iPad in my house so I think I can deal with it. Who knows, maybe I can sell my MacBook also.
While true, and we dont know if 2gb will suffice in 2017-2018, it's also not really Apple's duty to guarantee any sort of future-proofing time frame either.
After all they are in the business of selling devices, not only every 3-4 years, to people. The less future proof the devices are the more often the can sell you one. And it's a bit different than say a car at $50k which ok then can sell you one every 5-8 years, since its 100 times the cost and profit up front.
It's also EXTREMELY hard to predict what 2 versions forward of an OS will or will not bring in 2 years. iOS 10, ok its on the brink here in 3 months away, but 11 or 12 is too far out to predict if 2gb or not will work or will be like running on a 512mb device now.
For until end of 2017 I think you will be safe on an Air 2 OR IPP 9.7 with 2gb RAM. I dont see the iphone 7 getting 4gb as it just doesn't really need it (and also doesnt do split screen multitasking) so 2gb will still be supported heavily.
Friend, what exactly is your "mission" in this thread, as you seem to be failing at it drastically?
If I am to think that it's to semi-forcefully (and very poorly) convince users of Apple products to agree with your HIGHLY flawed, simplistic and simply false notion that "Android is better because it has more RAM and CPU power", or any variation on that theme. Clearly you demonstrate an absolute lack of understanding about what it is that makes Android (Java) a terrible, awfully laggy, translated and fragmented language scattered across myriad devices, all with varying levels of success WITH NO absolutes mandated by Google (they're idiots, what do we expect) VS iOS, a pre-compiled variant and framework built on C code which is finely tuned and custom made to fit ONE product range by ONE company, never mind the incredible security model and secure boot chain (Google "Security Now" and "iOS security", you'll educated yourself a lot, from someone who actually DOES know his subject - Steve Gibson.) Never mind the quality and support - you know all this, you're just either blinded and/or ignorant of the platforms of which you speak, or just here to troll.
As a software developer I find your post pretty hilarious. If either platform is making more use of C these days it IS android, because Apple has switched to using its own elementary school language (swift).
Java is much closer to C than Swift is. It's not slow at all. I don't think you actually program in Java, do you? I create software for both platforms and I've simply never noticed these issues you speak of. Thank you for enlightening me
I think your knowledge about Java compilation on Android is a few years out of date, buddy.
As a software developer I find your post pretty hilarious. If either platform is making more use of C these days it IS android, because Apple has switched to using its own elementary school language (swift).
Java is much closer to C than Swift is. It's not slow at all. I don't think you actually program in Java, do you? I create software for both platforms and I've simply never noticed these issues you speak of. Thank you for enlightening me
I think your knowledge about Java compilation on Android is a few years out of date, buddy.
You realise that anyone who types a few lines of code, calls themselves a "developer" nowadays? LOL. Maybe you are, maybe you aren't - I don't care - and I don't mind how much you think you know, or how superior you feel your knowledge is to mine - I am okay with you knowing more than me IN ONE AREA ALONE (what do we have that we are not given? Each of us had nothing when we began to learn - we're equal in that sense), that may or may not be the case - meh - it's not a huge deal to me.
iOS development doesn't run on Java - the *syntax* of Swift may be more LIKE Java, but the compiled code is a thousand light years from it. ANYONE knows this, but clearly not you. Swift is to make coding easier, it doesn't change the underlying mechanisms. So you're a "developer" - so what - you can write code efficiently and elegantly OR poorly with a terrible grasp of the code (like me
, hence I do not pretend to be one) but that doesn't mean you're the source of universal knowledge about how compilation and Java VMs work - I'll delegate this to more experienced members to comment on:Anyone with more coding experience care to add to this?
The truth is that apple make the product as cheaply as they can whilst still achieving the performance they require at that point in time. They don't know what will be needed for the device to run smoothly in a few years and if they cared they would put more ram in their devices.
Its treading the line between performance and encouraging people to replace their devices regularly.
The actual costs of putting 32gb instead of 16gb in the base models of the iphone is tiny. Same for putting 4gb of ram instead of 1 or 2. By doing these thing they do save millions of dollars due to the sheer number of devices they produce as well as the increased number of people that pony up for the larger storage models. Couple these things with a reduced lifespan for the hardware and its worth billions to the company.
Its a shame they do this but ultimately we vote with our money or we put up with it. I was going to get the new 9.7" ipad pro until I saw that its only 2gb ram. I have gone for the 12.9" pro instead simply because it should last longer. My current ipad is a first gen mini and its a non-starter when it comes to web browsing or keeping more than one app in memory which is a bit of a joke. I've easily got my moneys worth but to intentionally limit a devices usefulness for the sake of a few dollars is rude.
Its treading the line between performance and encouraging people to replace their devices regularly.
The actual costs of putting 32gb instead of 16gb in the base models of the iphone is tiny. Same for putting 4gb of ram instead of 1 or 2. By doing these thing they do save millions of dollars due to the sheer number of devices they produce as well as the increased number of people that pony up for the larger storage models. Couple these things with a reduced lifespan for the hardware and its worth billions to the company.
Its a shame they do this but ultimately we vote with our money or we put up with it. I was going to get the new 9.7" ipad pro until I saw that its only 2gb ram. I have gone for the 12.9" pro instead simply because it should last longer. My current ipad is a first gen mini and its a non-starter when it comes to web browsing or keeping more than one app in memory which is a bit of a joke. I've easily got my moneys worth but to intentionally limit a devices usefulness for the sake of a few dollars is rude.
I'm thinking that the Air 1 with it's 1 GIG Mem and the lack of the "X" GPU will be the weaker iPad.
I shouldn't have to download an alternate launcher right out of the box. Plus TW is still there, running in the background, taking up resources. It still comes with all of the Samsung apps that if I don't like, I still have to have so now I have two calendars, two music players, two messaging apps, etc. Now the device is already loaded down with the apps I prefer, plus Samsung's apps. You don't have to worry with any of that in an iPhone. The default messaging, email, music player, calendar etc are all great.
Also with a Samsung, you have to deal with the carriers crap bloat ware in the US anyway.
A nexus device is much closer to an iPhone experience but it's still not as good.
I can't speak for you, but this is the iPad I've always wanted. Dramatic speed improvements over the "beast" Air 2, Apple Pencil support in a much more portable form factor, faster NAND, and a version of iOS that dramatically increases it's usefulness.
I'm not trying to make a sales pitch, I'm just genuinely excited. True the 2GB of RAM is a disappointment and the price hike is annoying, but I don't believe that either diminishes the value of this device. This will be a great tablet for years to come and I can't see what they could add in future version that would drive me personally to an instant upgrade.
I have suffered a loss from my quick Air 2 turn around, but I received 6 months of enjoyment and now have $400 to go toward my Pro purchase. I may hold off and see if I can score a Best Buy sale though, but not long. This is the first time I've been without an iPad in years and I never realized how much I'd miss it.
Well, yeah, the Air 1 is already struggling. But the question comes down to how long 2gb will last before it becomes a burden.
Staples has $150 off the 12.9 iPad Pro this week so I took the plunge on a 128GB.
$799 (sale price) is only $50 more than the 128GB 9.7 iPP.Staples has $150 off the 12.9 iPad Pro this week so I took the plunge on a 128GB.
I saw those sales. How are you enjoying it and the Apple Pencil compared to your Air 2? How do you like the size?
My envy is real...
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It will be as long as Apple deems it. However, when the 9.7" Pro starts to struggle, the Air 2, Mini 4, iPhone SE, 6S, and 6S+ will also struggle and I don't think Apple will be quick to do that to such a large market base.
No it's not. Not even close to its optimization and coherence. And the nexus 7 is a crap tablet.
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More RAM running android means nothing.
All, not most but ALL, android phones aren't on par with iPhone. Not to sp ask about the iPad Pro using A9X.
Again the only comparable platform is Microsoft Surface.
Flawlessly. Absolutely.
There is nothing slow on my former iPhone 6 , nor in my son's iPad Air. Nothing.
Specs matter only in android world, where specs are supposed to take place of optimized software and resources.
Btw... Garbage iPad Pro ... Your hater's attitude is just demonstrating your agenda here.
As a software developer what you said about Java says me a lot about your knowledge.As a software developer I find your post pretty hilarious. If either platform is making more use of C these days it IS android, because Apple has switched to using its own elementary school language (swift).
Java is much closer to C than Swift is. It's not slow at all. I don't think you actually program in Java, do you? I create software for both platforms and I've simply never noticed these issues you speak of. Thank you for enlightening me
I think your knowledge about Java compilation on Android is a few years out of date, buddy.
Every single developer, real developer I mean, knows the difference.
Yeah, I'm completely backpedaling and torn on which to choose. Less RAM, yes, but as others have pointed out, less pixels to drive than the larger display. Not sure if I'll be OK with the size of the 12.9, so the 9.7 almost feels like more of a value.
Its ridiculous, AGAIN its like saying my 500hp car is just as good as yours but mine is 1,000 pounds lighter.
You need ALL of the factors not just 1 spec on paper. If you know nothing about the OS weight you are trying to push with the raw power, you have absolutely no idea how it compares to a totally different OS at different raw power. They are not 1 to 1.
I haven't received it yet. Bought it on Staples.com to ensure that I'd get one before they sell out.I saw those sales. How are you enjoying it and the Apple Pencil compared to your Air 2? How do you like the size?
My envy is real...
Finally, someone that understands the value of apple products. Thank you for your thorough explanation.
I grew up with PCs, customizing them, focusing only on their specs as I originally believed that specs were the only measure of a speedy and efficient product. It was difficult at first, when I transitioned to a Mac, convincing myself to take into consideration something other than specs as a measure of how well of a computer experience I would have. But what allowed me to get to that point was looking at the software side of things also. I used to enjoy tinkering with hardware and software to produce a desired result which is what PCs were perfect for. Eventually I simply wanted quality and dependability, and that's when I transitioned to macs and apple products.
Now whether 2gb will be sufficient for the next iOS is all based on speculation. Enjoy the present moment, stop comparing yourself (or in this case tablets) to others, don't focus on what you can't change, and be happy with what you have or with what is available.