iPod touch $9.95 for the upgrade then.

[Ivan P]

Exactly my point! I find it absolutely ridiculous that I can get 3.0 for free on my iPhone, but not on my 2G iPod touch.

Thats the thing though, you aren't getting it for free on your iPhone. A very small part of your monthly bill goes towards the software. Its just that most people dont realise that; it's basically a case of "out of sight, out of mind" - iPhone users think that just because they don't pay via iTunes for software like touch owners that they don't pay for software at all. That's not the case. Because iPod touch owners clearly don't have a monthly bill we have to pay for it in a different way.

Of course, Apple could just **** off the part of the iPhone bill that takes money for software, then we mightn't have to pay at all...but then they'd probably have AT&T bitching at them instead of the users.

 

[mavis]

Thats the thing though, you aren't getting it for free on your iPhone. A very small part of your monthly bill goes towards the software. Its just that most people dont realise that; it's basically a case of "out of sight, out of mind" - iPhone users think that just because they don't pay via iTunes for software like touch owners that they don't pay for software at all. That's not the case. Because iPod touch owners clearly don't have a monthly bill we have to pay for it in a different way.

Of course, Apple could just **** off the part of the iPhone bill that takes money for software, then we mightn't have to pay at all...but then they'd probably have AT&T bitching at them instead of the users.

I don't know why people insist on talking about revenue sharing, when in fact that business model was abandoned almost a year ago, when the iPhone 3G was launched. Here's a nice excerpt from engadget:

AT&T has gone on the record saying that it'll take a huge revenue hit -- 10 to 12 cents per share both this year and next before finally planning on profitability in 2010 -- in order to deeply subsidize the phone on its own accord, taking Apple and its precious monthly kickbacks out of the picture.

What's that you say? You don't want to take engadget's word for it? Fine. Straight from AT&T themselves:

The new agreement between Apple and AT&T eliminates the revenue-sharing model under which AT&T shared a portion of monthly service revenue with Apple. Under the revised agreement, which is consistent with traditional equipment manufacturer-carrier arrangements, there is no revenue sharing and both iPhone 3G models will be offered at attractive prices to broaden the market potential and accelerate subscriber volumes.

I know it's fun to play the Apple apologist, but please try to get your facts straight when you do. According to AT&T themselves, there is no more revenue sharing with Apple on iPhone subscriptions. So you guys can take that stale, old argument and toss it out the window.

 

[someone28624]

It's an operating system upgrade. Why would you expect to NOT have to pay for it? I'll look at it more closely and see if it's worth the upgrade for me right now. In the end, though, it's just $10.

Because the iPhone users with their $100/month service plans don't have to. Duh.

 

[mavis]

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It's an operating system upgrade. Why would you expect to NOT have to pay for it? I'll look at it more closely and see if it's worth the upgrade for me right now. In the end, though, it's just $10.

Because the iPhone users with their $100/month service plans don't have to. Duh.

What difference does it make how much I pay per month for my iPhone? There's no more revenue sharing. Apple doesn't get a portion of my monthly bill. Zip. Nada. Zilch. Open your eyes and read, mate. I've posted the link - twice now - to that year old news.

 

[Ivan P]

What difference does it make how much I pay per month for my iPhone? There's no more revenue sharing. Apple doesn't get a portion of my monthly bill. Zip. Nada. Zilch. Open your eyes and read, mate. I've posted the link - twice now - to that year old news.

I find it ironic that someone that always insists they're right is one of those that also insists it's called an 'iTouch'.

 

[Eric S.]

It's an operating system upgrade. Why would you expect to NOT have to pay for it? I'll look at it more closely and see if it's worth the upgrade for me right now. In the end, though, it's just $10.

Exactly. $10 is such a small sum that it's not even worth all this discussion. If you want the upgrade get it, if you don't want it don't get it.

 

[mavis]

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What difference does it make how much I pay per month for my iPhone? There's no more revenue sharing. Apple doesn't get a portion of my monthly bill. Zip. Nada. Zilch. Open your eyes and read, mate. I've posted the link - twice now - to that year old news.

I find it ironic that someone that always insists they're right is one of those that also insists it's called an 'iTouch'.

I find it highly amusing that you're reduced to personal attacks - over what I choose to call my iPod, no less. Truly pathetic, mate.

 

[mavis]

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It's an operating system upgrade. Why would you expect to NOT have to pay for it? I'll look at it more closely and see if it's worth the upgrade for me right now. In the end, though, it's just $10.

Exactly. $10 is such a small sum that it's not even worth all this discussion. If you want the upgrade get it, if you don't want it don't get it.

Well if the problem was actually the amount of money involved, I guess you'd probably have a good point.

 

[Eric S.]

Well if the problem was actually the amount of money involved, I guess you'd probably have a good point.

If the amount were zero, would that change your outlook?

 

[macfan881]

well I put on the beta today and been playing around with it it will be worth the 10 bucks heck id pay 20 for it my big pluses from this firmware are the following below
Push notifcations this will be awsome with the espn app. and Meebo.
Copy n paste its way better than whats on cydia right now.
landscape mode another huge plus
Search.
plus if i had the second gen the bluetooth is a huge bonus now u could use any blue tooth acssesories headphones speakers etc

 

[mavis]

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Well if the problem was actually the amount of money involved, I guess you'd probably have a good point.

If the amount were zero, would that change your outlook?

In other words, if iPod owners and iPhone owners were treated equally? Yeah, that would be great.

 

[macfan881]

Does this mean that if your iPod is jailbroken you need to restore to original to go 3.0? None of those features are interesting enough for me to give up my jailbreak.

Also is there an ETA for this update?

im guessing WWDC will see the firmware makes sense shows off the other features to the devs so they can use it with programs etc. and the Dev team have confirmed that 3.0 is jailbreakable and will probally realase the update for it within the first week or so 3.0 is officially out.

 

[macfan881]

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In other words, if iPod owners and iPhone owners were treated equally? Yeah, that would be great.

than that means you would pay 60 bucks a month to use the ipod touch or what ever it is for a 2 year iphone contract.

 

[hugo7]

Yeah, I'll cough up

Yeah, regardless of the Apple accounting excuse, the discrimination against ipod touch users is kinda stinky. Would be better if the upgrade was 10 bucks for everyone or free.

That said, I'm still gonna purchase the upgrade because there are significant enhancements. I'm already more than happy with my touch 2g (especially the Nike+ functionality) so this new upgrade is just icing on the cake.

That said, what's with all this crap big numbers talk like "1000 new API's" or "150 new safari features"? Can someone just cite the key improvements and not play the numbers game.

 

[mavis]

than that means you would pay 60 bucks a month to use the ipod touch or what ever it is for a 2 year iphone contract.

Please at least make an effort to keep up. For the umpteenth time, I don't know why people insist on talking about revenue sharing, when in fact that business model was abandoned almost a year ago, when the iPhone 3G was launched. Here's a nice excerpt from engadget:

AT&T has gone on the record saying that it'll take a huge revenue hit -- 10 to 12 cents per share both this year and next before finally planning on profitability in 2010 -- in order to deeply subsidize the phone on its own accord, taking Apple and its precious monthly kickbacks out of the picture.

What's that you say? You don't want to take engadget's word for it? Fine. Straight from AT&T themselves:

The new agreement between Apple and AT&T eliminates the revenue-sharing model under which AT&T shared a portion of monthly service revenue with Apple. Under the revised agreement, which is consistent with traditional equipment manufacturer-carrier arrangements, there is no revenue sharing and both iPhone 3G models will be offered at attractive prices to broaden the market potential and accelerate subscriber volumes.

I know it's fun to play the Apple apologist, but please try to get your facts straight when you do. According to AT&T themselves, there is no more revenue sharing with Apple on iPhone subscriptions. So you guys can take that stale, old argument and toss it out the window.

 

[Eric S.]

In other words, if iPod owners and iPhone owners were treated equally? Yeah, that would be great.

Then it sounds like the amount is the problem. For me $10 is completely insignificant, so I don't have that problem.

 

[macfan881]

Yeah, regardless of the Apple accounting excuse, the discrimination against ipod touch users is kinda stinky. Would be better if the upgrade was 10 bucks for everyone or free.

That said, I'm still gonna purchase the upgrade because there are significant enhancements. I'm already more than happy with my touch 2g (especially the Nike+ functionality) so this new upgrade is just icing on the cake.

That said, what's with all this crap big numbers talk like "1000 new API's" or "150 new safari features"? Can someone just cite the key improvements and not play the numbers game.

again if you look at my post i posted my top 5 features that i enjoy

again 3.0 will have
Push notification.
Search
Landscape keyboard for mail SMS and notes
Copy/paste
Bluetooth for ipod touch 2gen.
MMS for 3g iphones
Google Streets are now on google maps.
youtube accounts part of the youtube app
Stock news and quotes like 52 w high and low mkt cap etc in stock app.
Transfer contacts to other users.
parental Restrictions.
Caldav suport
also notice if you have Weather Channel or some weather app it replaces the weather app for you.

and there are other features that havent been showned off yet

 

[mavis]

Then it sounds like the amount is the problem. For me $10 is completely insignificant, so I don't have that problem.

What is this, a pissing contest?

Seriously, I don't know if you're just trying to seem obtuse or if you really are missing the point. Over and over again. It's not about the amount of money. It's about the disparity between iPhone owners and iPod owners. There is no more revenue sharing, so the iPhone's monthly service subscription is 100% irrelevant to this discussion. Apple doesn't receive ANY of that money. And yet, iPhone owners receive free OS upgrades, whereas iPod touch owners do not.

I'm absolutely thrilled that money has no value to you, that must be incredibly liberating. I (like most other people) still have to work for my money, but again, this isn't about the dollar amount! It's the fact that I don't have to pay ANYTHING to upgrade my iPhone. Why the inconsistency? THAT'S what the problem is.

 

[ODEEBEE]

non_bitc*y and NON-anti-bitc*y post:

I'm a maybe
but
IF enabling bluetooth on my 2G iPod Touch allows me to tether to my mobile phone (on verizon with unlimited 3G internet access for $5 monthly) then I am sold in a minute. All the other features are 'eh'.

Flame deterrents:
verizon > ATT in my area plus I get corporate discount so no iphone for me as long as it's exclusive to ATT.
&
I got the iPod touch for free with reward points so I'm not worried about looking all unhip carrying both and having to explain why I didn't just buy an iPhone.

 

[Davy.Shalom]

Nope.

 

[hugo7]

again if you look at my post i posted my top 5 features that i enjoy

again 3.0 will have
Push notification.
Search
Landscape keyboard for mail SMS and notes
Copy/paste
Bluetooth for ipod touch 2gen.
[...snip...]
also notice if you have Weather Channel or some weather app it replaces the weather app for you.

and there are other features that havent been showned off yet

Thanks for the info although I already knew about most of those improvements. My rhetorical statement was more a criticism directed at Apple making the upgrade appear more grandiose than it actually is.

I guess we'll have to wait until summer to see the official list of new end-user features (which no doubt will be significantly less than these 1000 API teasers).

 

[goosnarrggh]

I find it ironic that someone that always insists they're right is one of those that also insists it's called an 'iTouch'.

It is possible for somebody to be incorrect about one fact, and yet still be correct about another fact.

In this case, mavis is totally correct that Apple never sees any portion of the monthly service fees for the iPhone 3G - all of that money goes to the carrier. The sources mavis has quoted were widely publicized (and reliably confirmed) at the time the iPhone 3G was released.

 

[mavis]

In this case, mavis is totally correct that Apple never sees any portion of the monthly service fees for the iPhone 3G - all of that money goes to the carrier. The sources mavis has quoted were widely publicized (and reliably confirmed) at the time the iPhone 3G was released.

Thank you!

And yet, despite the facts, Apple apologists continue to use that argument as the basis of their unflagging support for Apple's inane upgrade policy. It is truly amazing that Apple's banner cry for so long was "Think Different" and yet their very own sheep seem incapable of doing just that.

 

[Ivan P]

Thank you!

And yet, despite the facts, Apple apologists continue to use that argument as the basis of their unflagging support for Apple's inane upgrade policy. It is truly amazing that Apple's banner cry for so long was "Think Different" and yet their very own sheep seem incapable of doing just that.

Yes, alright, we get it, you don't have to repeat yourself in every single one of your posts in this thread. Somewhat hypocritical how less than a day ago you were one of the people flaming The Spaz for posting about the same thing multiple times, eh?

 

[txhockey9404]

I will definitely be getting it because $10 for 3 iPods is not bad at all. I currently have a 1g and a 2g and will most likely be getting another 2g soon. I think $3.33 is cheap enough for my blood. Besides, bluetooth, copy and paste, in game purchasing, and search are well worth $10. I will most likely be getting a new iPhone around August as well. My Verizon contract is almost up, and I would love to have my iPod replace my expensive, albeit crappy, Samsung phone. (I think I paid $250 for a Samsung Glyde. Looking back, that was an insanely large mistake on my part.)