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90nm G5 Supplies Improving?
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not price, specs and appearance
I don't think it's the price - it's the tacky plastic (IMHO) non-adjustable frames holding decidedly mediocre LCD panels....
Have you ever looked at the Apple 23" display next to the similarly priced 24" Samsung display?
The Apple specs (brightness/contrast/angle) are poor, the non-adjustable stand is an embarrassment, and the Samsung looks like it's from the 21st century - not like a prop from the Jetsons!
People aren't buying the old plastic stuff because they're expecting aluminum and adjustable mounts!!!!
iriejedi said:
I don't think it's the price - it's the tacky plastic (IMHO) non-adjustable frames holding decidedly mediocre LCD panels....
Have you ever looked at the Apple 23" display next to the similarly priced 24" Samsung display?
The Apple specs (brightness/contrast/angle) are poor, the non-adjustable stand is an embarrassment, and the Samsung looks like it's from the 21st century - not like a prop from the Jetsons!
People aren't buying the old plastic stuff because they're expecting aluminum and adjustable mounts!!!!
areyouwishing said:
Who cares how the DP 2.0 owners feel? Apple didn't give a crap about the people who just bought the SP 1.8 model felt when they upgraded it.
macridah said:
i'm not so sure about your PM lineup there. i don't see them allowing the top model to be outdone by a lower model in certain applications (such as anything that is DP aware).
and even if it were faster in 99.9% of the things it did, the psychological aspect of having the lower models have duals and the highest model be a single would be detrimental.
yoman said:600 mhz increase! At least its not only 60mhz.
And let us not forget there exist two procs in these puppies.
600mhz x 2
Tyler
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LaMerVipere said:
I can't stand all this complaining about the supposed promise of a 3GHz G5 within a year. I mean really, get over it. Apple is a company making products, not a religion where quotes from those on high can be taken as a gospel. Would everyone please stop complaining about this self perpetuated myth?
segundo said:
Well we are only holding Steve to his word. He could eliminate such criticism if he was more careful with his wording. To make statements, as he did, about hitting 3GHz within a year, and then, presumably, failing to do so, isn't any fault of ours. How can u hold it against people for comparing what steve said and the apparent reality of the situation? Damn that reality distortion field. *shakes fist as sky*
PS_people like you, who do nothing but make excuses for steve's mistakes, aren't any better then those of us who complain about him not living up to his word
I was really hoping for 3Ghz G5's. Maybe Steve won't let us down people - just maybe... If he does though, what will he say at WWDC? He wouldn't leave it unmentioned, would he?
Here's to 3Ghz G5's at WWDC.
Cheers,
JOD8FY
Here's to 3Ghz G5's at WWDC.
Cheers,
JOD8FY
dongmin said:
Too funny! Do you really believe this!?
You think that Apple, having promised 3GHz by summer, will announce "Hey, we promised 3GHz, but we actually didn't even make it half way! Here's your 2.4GHz G5s".
I doubt it. I also think the range should be spread more. Say a 2.2 entry, 2.6 mid, and 3GHz high. That would allow for more differentiation between the products which would give a bit more incentive to spend an extra $1000 for the next model up.
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Rumors are the best weapons when you have nothing to sell...
Intel make a 180 degres shift with Pentium M (7xx) and sell it now!...
Motorola (sub-contract) have G4 600e and 700e at 2ghz... and altivec...
The best friend's of Mac is Steve Jobs creativity, the worst ennemy of Apple is Steve' ego's...
Summer summer summer
I don't know why we're worrying about this now. To all the people who are intent on grinding Jobs to dust if he doesn't delivery those 3.0GHz machines on time: It's not even the middle of May yet! Geez, settle down. Going by the "end of summer" quote, I'd say he's got until the middle of September or so until we all have to start saying he failed to deliver as "promised". I think the other quote from him said something more like "1 year"...I dunno, we're really going to hold him to every syllable? I'd rather the next G5s be really really late than half baked. I suppose it was kinda dumb of him to make the "promise" (if you want to call it that) in the first place, since they're relying on IBM to make the CPUs a reality. Owell. Whatever the top end of the revB G5 turns out to be, DP2.4, DP2.6, whatever, that's what I'm getting. Gentlemen, start your checkbooks...
- JonYo
I don't know why we're worrying about this now. To all the people who are intent on grinding Jobs to dust if he doesn't delivery those 3.0GHz machines on time: It's not even the middle of May yet! Geez, settle down. Going by the "end of summer" quote, I'd say he's got until the middle of September or so until we all have to start saying he failed to deliver as "promised". I think the other quote from him said something more like "1 year"...I dunno, we're really going to hold him to every syllable? I'd rather the next G5s be really really late than half baked. I suppose it was kinda dumb of him to make the "promise" (if you want to call it that) in the first place, since they're relying on IBM to make the CPUs a reality. Owell. Whatever the top end of the revB G5 turns out to be, DP2.4, DP2.6, whatever, that's what I'm getting. Gentlemen, start your checkbooks...
- JonYo
itsa said:
the article mentions DP, so unless there is a most welcome change to the iMac line that adds a second processor, I'd venture that these are PMs, and that any G5 iMac released at WWDC will replace the current PM line up as far as specs go.
Duff-Man says.....geez....how many times must people be reminded that Steve said "by the end of the summer...." when he spoke last fall at Paris Expo. Yes, that was a change from what he said at WWDC last June. Also, he never once said *promise* - he obviously no longer needs his RDF because so many people here create their own.....oh yeah!LaMerVipere said:
COS said:
i don't think i've heard this before. what's it all about?
also,
do you think the new pm will ship with 10gb Ethernet as an option?
http://www.small-tree.com/10Gb.htm
and finally,
besides hardcore video editors, who really needs dual 3.0 over dual 2.6? i'm seriously wondering.
jackieonasses said:
Ok, explain why you say this, will you?
I think they'll do it by mid August. Allthough the 2.6Ghz chips sound great for the time being, but to be honest I'd rather see them update the iMac line first. The iMac's have been stale for a long time... I remember when the iMac was brand new some PC magazine did an article about it ( I think PC World....) and one of their points about the machine was "not just a pretty iMac" and went on to discuss how the PPC G3 made the current offerings from Intel look so-so... I think that was part of the thing that made the machine attactive- easy to set up and use and powerful at the same time. An iMac like that will sell.....
Then come the PMacs..
The big thing I am looking forward to is seeing the difference in performance/stability when Apple puts out a rev. B motherboard- there have been some noted bottlenecks especially in the FireWire 800 I/O performance of the current G5's, which leads me to wonder how many other smaller 'wrinkles' there are in the overall chipset and everything on the board that get ironed out.
But only time will really tell...
If this report is true, then we are in real trouble. If Apple can't deliver on its promise from a year ago, then they will have once again shown that they can not be trusted.
I must confess that I had seen similar reports prior to the G5 systems coming out. I remember the rumors talking about the delivey of 1.3 and 1.5 ghz chips and then when the systems came out they started at 1.6 and blew everyone away. I hope this happens this time.
I must confess that I had seen similar reports prior to the G5 systems coming out. I remember the rumors talking about the delivey of 1.3 and 1.5 ghz chips and then when the systems came out they started at 1.6 and blew everyone away. I hope this happens this time.
common people
when IBM first announced the 970 i think they said it only went to like 1.6ghz. and Apple made 2ghz machines
dont worry about it. 3ghz will live at wwdc
when IBM first announced the 970 i think they said it only went to like 1.6ghz. and Apple made 2ghz machines
dont worry about it. 3ghz will live at wwdc
Why make it an option? They were doing gigabit ethernet as standard long before anyone else even had cards out at retail. Make it standard. Put it on the motherboard. And quit jerking around with the optional bluetooth thing.. just put it in there. If people don't want to use it, they can turn it off. The only reason to leave airport as a card instead of building it on the board is so it can be upgraded.. but the bluetooth isn't a user installable option anyway, so just chuck it in there.appleface said:
areyouwishing said:
Great idea.. lets never update ! that way.. no ones upset..
wait a minute.. that way everyone will be pissed.
Computers will always get faster.. its a law! (my law)
i really want a apple screen bad! my plastic is waiting!!!!!!!!
hopefully something to match my G5
hopefully something to match my G5
To start with, overclocking a CPU does not mean instability. Overclocking a CPU too far or with insufficient cooling does mean instability. A 400mhz increase from 2.6ghz is only ~14% more mhz, quite a low amount.
As can be seen in the PC world, rated 3ghz chips can quite easily reach 3.6 with a better cooling system and run like that for years. CPU's are very flexible if treated correctly, and Apple know how to treat their chips correctly (Dual 1.42 anyone? It was overclocked).
Secondly, having 2.2, 2.4 and 2.6 components now (May) does not mean that IBM cannot produce 3ghz components by September. I am glad they are sampling those components now, its a sign that their production woes are starting to disappear. I for one have faith in IBM's engineering talents and their Fishkill facilities. Both are among the best in the world, if not the best.
Lastly, no matter what happens, Steve will introduce 3ghz machines. Whether they ship at WWDC or ship a month later, they will appear. Apple have a vested interest to not miss their stated target, and Steve's ego really will not let them miss it.
As can be seen in the PC world, rated 3ghz chips can quite easily reach 3.6 with a better cooling system and run like that for years. CPU's are very flexible if treated correctly, and Apple know how to treat their chips correctly (Dual 1.42 anyone? It was overclocked).
Secondly, having 2.2, 2.4 and 2.6 components now (May) does not mean that IBM cannot produce 3ghz components by September. I am glad they are sampling those components now, its a sign that their production woes are starting to disappear. I for one have faith in IBM's engineering talents and their Fishkill facilities. Both are among the best in the world, if not the best.
Lastly, no matter what happens, Steve will introduce 3ghz machines. Whether they ship at WWDC or ship a month later, they will appear. Apple have a vested interest to not miss their stated target, and Steve's ego really will not let them miss it.