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90nm PowerMac G5s in March 2004?
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maxvamp
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PB G5?
Would it be more realistic to think that at some time in the spring a PB G5 shows up? After all, this processor has dynamic clocking and since it is built on 90nm, has the potential to run cooler at slower clock rates.... Also, shouldnt Apple run like hell away from MOTO at this point?
Just some thoughts. I have not kept track of the PowerBook release cycle all that closely.
Max.
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Would it be more realistic to think that at some time in the spring a PB G5 shows up? After all, this processor has dynamic clocking and since it is built on 90nm, has the potential to run cooler at slower clock rates.... Also, shouldnt Apple run like hell away from MOTO at this point?
Just some thoughts. I have not kept track of the PowerBook release cycle all that closely.
Max.
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I can't wait until they go past 3.2 GHz. If Intel keeps sitting on their ass and not making any new chips then we might see the G5 surpass the Pentium in clock speed. Now while every Mac user knows that clock speed isn't everything it would let Mac users really say "shove it" to intel. Maybe then the UK will allow "The World fastest Personal Computer" ads
Re: PB G5?
but keep in mind that apple still uses the G4 (still a versatile chip) for other models in its line up- emac, ibook, imac, which were all very recently updated.
so even if apple does move away from the moto chipsets for their pro line+xserve, they cant leave moto immediately.
we can always hope that the powerbook goes g5 sooner than later so the ibooks- which are crippled in speed so they dont interfere with pro sales will have growing room- imagine a 1.42 Ghz ibook rounding out the apple line- then there will be No macs still in mhz territory !!
but keep in mind that apple still uses the G4 (still a versatile chip) for other models in its line up- emac, ibook, imac, which were all very recently updated.
so even if apple does move away from the moto chipsets for their pro line+xserve, they cant leave moto immediately.
we can always hope that the powerbook goes g5 sooner than later so the ibooks- which are crippled in speed so they dont interfere with pro sales will have growing room- imagine a 1.42 Ghz ibook rounding out the apple line- then there will be No macs still in mhz territory !!
Dont Hurt Me
macrumors 603
Re: PB G5?
you got that right we are talking 1.5 ghz bus? and moto's g4 is 167? running might take to long, v6 or v8 should do it! really its time to move on. save the g4 for emac and ibook and everything else needs a boost. i mean a G5
I hope the PowerBook G5 is sturdy enough for me to slap it across the faces of all my windows loving friends.....this is unrefutable proof that the Mac rules.
No, I am no zealot. But a 64 bit processor in a laptop?!? Please! Windows/intel have nothing on that, and won't for years.
No, I am no zealot. But a 64 bit processor in a laptop?!? Please! Windows/intel have nothing on that, and won't for years.
It's really great to see power management features available for the inclusion of the G5 into a laptop, but it's also good to know that these features will make it into the desktop line. Power usage is power usage anywhere. Cut the power consumption of a processor in 1/2 during low load times and you're going to see happy colleges with big mac labs. I know for sure that the lab admins here at Humboldt State in CA are going to be very happy with this. G4 heat/noise/power issues are a real pain. The air conditioner had to be beefed up for the G4 lab.
90nm means the chip area is less than half of the ones at 130nm - assuming a similar area used that leaves a lot of area for goodies.
IBM might up the on-chip cache. That would probably have the best improvement bang/transitor. 1MB, 2MB? Whereas radically changing components - like adding another AltiVec unit, instruction grouping, functional units, etc etc, might take too much time and have varied results. For that we have to wait for the 970+1.
Or they could use the area to put a memory controller ala SparcIIi, SparcIIIi, and Opteron types.
Even if the chip doesn't technically reach 3Ghz next summer it could potentially be 3:2 times faster with architectural optimizations and increased cache (maybe a smaller heatsink too).
-Wyrm
IBM might up the on-chip cache. That would probably have the best improvement bang/transitor. 1MB, 2MB? Whereas radically changing components - like adding another AltiVec unit, instruction grouping, functional units, etc etc, might take too much time and have varied results. For that we have to wait for the 970+1.
Or they could use the area to put a memory controller ala SparcIIi, SparcIIIi, and Opteron types.
Even if the chip doesn't technically reach 3Ghz next summer it could potentially be 3:2 times faster with architectural optimizations and increased cache (maybe a smaller heatsink too).
-Wyrm
Neither would Apple, Panther is still 32 bit <minus the Smeagol extensions - which are 64bit hacks> so it really doesn't matter.
AMD beat Apple to 64bit processor in a laptop - old story, but the AMD64 is in laptop form. Win64 is coming out, and Linux has a 64bit AMD branch (used by at least SUSE).
You're right about Intel... their only 64bit solution needs 800W... not something you could integrate into a laptop for a while.
-Wyrm
My offer to any Dual 2 GHz G5 owners: 10 bucks (USD) with shipping!
That's right. I went there. Ohhhh, yes. You know I've got the best deal in town! It's an offer that you can't refuse.
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I have a question. Will we ever see L3 cache again? G5s have a large L2 cache, but no L3 at all? You think we'll ever need it again? 😕
But I think our true opponent is AMD now. Those 64-bit chips are quite threatening. OS updates from Windows and Linux on the way just to take advantage of it. It's already in a laptop. UT2K3 will get a 64-bit version! It's a gamer's dream processor! In that sense, G5s are from caught up looking at the future user base. And I think that somewhat unfair PCWorld isn't very good rep. Yes, it's unfair to some degree, but people have read it and probably believe it.
That's right. I went there. Ohhhh, yes. You know I've got the best deal in town! It's an offer that you can't refuse.
🙂
I have a question. Will we ever see L3 cache again? G5s have a large L2 cache, but no L3 at all? You think we'll ever need it again? 😕
But I think our true opponent is AMD now. Those 64-bit chips are quite threatening. OS updates from Windows and Linux on the way just to take advantage of it. It's already in a laptop. UT2K3 will get a 64-bit version! It's a gamer's dream processor! In that sense, G5s are from caught up looking at the future user base. And I think that somewhat unfair PCWorld isn't very good rep. Yes, it's unfair to some degree, but people have read it and probably believe it.
Well wintel is already there so i guess its already too late
the Athlon 64 is in laptops at the moment
manitoubalck
macrumors 6502a
Re: 90nm PowerMac G5s in March 2004?
DDRII is very veey expencive that's why Nvidia and Ati stopped using it. DDR533 already exists this would seem a more logical move. RDRAM1066 RIMM's may even be cheaper than DDRII at this time.
I would love to see how AMD reacts, to a 90nm 32/64-bit CPU from IBM. @ 90nm the core should easily be able to push past the 3GHz mark.
can't wait.
DDRII is very veey expencive that's why Nvidia and Ati stopped using it. DDR533 already exists this would seem a more logical move. RDRAM1066 RIMM's may even be cheaper than DDRII at this time.
I would love to see how AMD reacts, to a 90nm 32/64-bit CPU from IBM. @ 90nm the core should easily be able to push past the 3GHz mark.
can't wait.
I'm just figuring that in Jan 2005 Apple will release it's 3.5 dual GHz G5 which for me will really challenge anything from Intel or AMD.
I figure by the 3GHz which will come out around the middle of this yr and with 90nm processor leads me to believe the G5 PB would follow shortly there after.
I believe the new 3GHz will probably come std with higher std HD, 1GB of ram, 9800 ATi card.
I figure by the 3GHz which will come out around the middle of this yr and with 90nm processor leads me to believe the G5 PB would follow shortly there after.
I believe the new 3GHz will probably come std with higher std HD, 1GB of ram, 9800 ATi card.
howard
macrumors 68020
don't worry guys intel will be i'm sure throwing out some fast processors pretty soon.
i'm just glad we're at least competeing with them again. now instead of saying...oh pcs are faster at this..oh macs are faster than this...we can just say, they're both super fast, so pick for design and operating system...which to me the mac wins
i'm just glad we're at least competeing with them again. now instead of saying...oh pcs are faster at this..oh macs are faster than this...we can just say, they're both super fast, so pick for design and operating system...which to me the mac wins
Naturetech and Tadpole beat AMD to it. There have been 64-bit laptops and portables for years now, with a proven 64-bit OS.
Wonder Boy
macrumors 6502a
rev b g5 or move out of the parents house? what to do, what to do...
who we kidding, im getting the computer!😀
who we kidding, im getting the computer!😀
I was just saying this a couple days ago:
While I'm glad they're listening, I wonder if MacRumors will take my royalty checks in escrow, for a cut of course. 😀
